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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 20:16:39 GMT
I'm digging up this thread because I'm starting my AGOT re-read and I'm glad they left out the part about Tyrion doing a fucking back flip when he first met Jon Snow during the feast.  I think even George said he ended up regretting that one, didn't he?  |
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 12, 2016 21:18:51 GMT
I'm digging up this thread because I'm starting my AGOT re-read and I'm glad they left out the part about Tyrion doing a fucking back flip when he first met Jon Snow during the feast. I think even George said he ended up regretting that one, didn't he? He should. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 0:20:53 GMT
I'm glad they left out Quentyn, I think they are the worst chapters in ADWD
I'm glad some of Briennes escapades were left out even though I loved all of her chapters. Although pretty mad they didn't allow her the quiet isle.
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 13, 2016 1:29:29 GMT
I'm pretty sure earlier in the thread I said I was glad the Greyjoy uncles were cut....womp womp.
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 1, 2016 0:57:48 GMT
I'm surprised nobody mention these:
-The Brave Companions. Dear lord their role was so dreadful in the book due to being so cartoonishly bad guys. I felt that GRMM fail to convey of how medieval criminals act back then by presenting some over the top actions. Like Rogue (or Biter?) chew off a woman's breast? C'mon... I'm glad the show minimize their role with Rogue and Biter only and replace Vargo Hoat with Locke who is more superior. Seriously, their role is so bad that not even book purists miss them when the show downplay them.
-The White Walker. In the book, we only get a glimpse of the Others from the prologue chapter in AGOT and Sam's, however we don't get to feel the Others apocalypse coming as we know of. They haven't march to south yet and they are barely mention in the latest chapter. So the Others feel forgettable to me. In the show with the White Walkers, oh definitely they made a vast improvement of expanding their importance. Given the impressive Hardhome and the Door episode reveal, they lash out that "Bitch. Winter is definitely coming." and you can feel it's coming and know they are the first you have to be concern about.
-The Red Wedding. While the book version is more horrifying than the show's version, i felt that the part where Cat scratching out her throat is over the top and unnecessary. We don't need to see that on-screen. Also, Arya being close to the Twins than she was in the book and her witnessing Grey Wind's head on Robb's body. That notch the tragedy.
-Oberyn Martell. I wasn't a fan of Oberyn in the book as i though he's still much of a minor character in the book and the part where he dies didn't struck me hard. However in the show, i love him and Pedro Pascal did an amazing job of portraying him. The famous scene where Oberyn talked to Tyrion, that made me tear up a bit and where he dies screaming and wailing, i was deeply saddened.
I agreed with the other people who said about Show!Cersei being a gray character, Tywin due to Charles Dance (and the fact that he's more grayer as well), removing the travel chapters in Dance, slimming down most of the chapters in Feast and Dance, and removing Aegon and some of the other unnecessary characters.
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 1, 2016 1:05:36 GMT
I'm pretty sure earlier in the thread I said I was glad the Greyjoy uncles were cut....womp womp. Although i would like to see Victarion on show since he's so comical in the book due to his stupidity, i felt it's best that he doesn't appear considering the critics and Unsullied watchers would view him as one-dimensional brute character. I like that Aeron's role was shortened in the show. I mean, we don't have to spend the amount of time hearing him jabbing about the Drowned God, do we? Though i would love to hear him more due to his actor did a great job. While you are glad the Greyjoy uncles were remove, I'm glad most of the sexist and dumb Ironborn characters from the book didn't appear in the show. Especially the love triangle with Asha and Qarl and Tristifer. What's the point? |
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Post by Admin on Aug 1, 2016 8:40:13 GMT
I'm surprised nobody mention these: - The Brave Companions. Dear lord their role was so dreadful in the book due to being so cartoonishly bad guys. I felt that GRMM fail to convey of how medieval criminals act back then by presenting some over the top actions. Like Rogue (or Biter?) chew off a woman's breast? C'mon... I'm glad the show minimize their role with Rogue and Biter only and replace Vargo Hoat with Locke who is more superior. Seriously, their role is so bad that not even book purists miss them when the show downplay them. - The White Walker. In the book, we only get a glimpse of the Others from the prologue chapter in AGOT and Sam's, however we don't get to feel the Others apocalypse coming as we know of. They haven't march to south yet and they are barely mention in the latest chapter. So the Others feel forgettable to me. In the show with the White Walkers, oh definitely they made a vast improvement of expanding their importance. Given the impressive Hardhome and the Door episode reveal, they lash out that "Bitch. Winter is definitely coming." and you can feel it's coming and know they are the first you have to be concern about. - The Red Wedding. While the book version is more horrifying than the show's version, i felt that the part where Cat scratching out her throat is over the top and unnecessary. We don't need to see that on-screen. Also, Arya being close to the Twins than she was in the book and her witnessing Grey Wind's head on Robb's body. That notch the tragedy.- Oberyn Martell. I wasn't a fan of Oberyn in the book as i though he's still much of a minor character in the book and the part where he dies didn't struck me hard. However in the show, i love him and Pedro Pascal did an amazing job of portraying him. The famous scene where Oberyn talked to Tyrion, that made me tear up a bit and where he dies screaming and wailing, i was deeply saddened. I agreed with the other people who said about Show!Cersei being a gray character, Tywin due to Charles Dance (and the fact that he's more grayer as well), removing the travel chapters in Dance, slimming down most of the chapters in Feast and Dance, and removing Aegon and some of the other unnecessary characters. I think the show done goofed up big time with Robbwind. The scene was so quick I know people who didn't even register what the hell was going on. If they had balls they would show Robb sitting on a chair, with Grey Wind's head sewn on, among all the dead bodies as the final scene of the finale |
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Post by Basil on Aug 1, 2016 9:12:43 GMT
- The Red Wedding. While the book version is more horrifying than the show's version, i felt that the part where Cat scratching out her throat is over the top and unnecessary. We don't need to see that on-screen. In the book, Catelyn goes insane at the Red Wedding. Literally. She loses her mind at the sight of her dead son, she becomes hysterical and goes into a frenzy. She doesn't scratch out her throat, she scratches across her face with her fingernails until her cheeks are torn and bleeding profusely. Self-harm is a typical characteristic of severe emotional distress. The Freys murdered her as a direct response to the mad behavior she was displaying. Catelyn wasn't originally supposed to die at the Red Wedding, her death would have achieved nothing, but she could have been a valuable hostage. Then she was reborn, but she remained in that unstable and deeply disturbed state of mind. Lady Stoneheart isn't the way she is because she was dead and resurrected, that's certainly part of it, but she is what Catelyn was at the Red Wedding in the few moments before they cut her throat. For all intents and purposes, the woman who slit Aegon Frey's throat was Lady Stoneheart. In the show, Catelyn becomes catatonic, which is also very powerful, but I personally prefer the more terrifying and gut wrenching book version. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 1, 2016 10:08:00 GMT
- The Red Wedding. While the book version is more horrifying than the show's version, i felt that the part where Cat scratching out her throat is over the top and unnecessary. We don't need to see that on-screen. In the book, Catelyn goes insane at the Red Wedding. Literally. She loses her mind at the sight of her dead son, she becomes hysterical and goes into a frenzy. She doesn't scratch out her throat, she scratches across her face with her fingernails until her cheeks are torn and bleeding profusely. Self-harm is a typical characteristic of severe emotional distress. The Freys murdered her as a direct response to the mad behavior she was displaying. Catelyn wasn't originally supposed to die at the Red Wedding, her death would have achieved nothing, but she could have been a valuable hostage. Then she was reborn, but she remained in that unstable and deeply disturbed state of mind. Lady Stoneheart isn't the way she is because she was dead and resurrected, that's certainly part of it, but she is what Catelyn was at the Red Wedding in the few moments before they cut her throat. For all intents and purposes, the woman who slit Aegon Frey's throat was Lady Stoneheart. In the show, Catelyn becomes catatonic, which is also very powerful, but I personally prefer the more terrifying and gut wrenching book version. The show gave us a glimpse of that with that dream Bran had of frantic and violent Cat. And then they just took it all away  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 1, 2016 13:17:31 GMT
- The Red Wedding. While the book version is more horrifying than the show's version, i felt that the part where Cat scratching out her throat is over the top and unnecessary. We don't need to see that on-screen. In the book, Catelyn goes insane at the Red Wedding. Literally. She loses her mind at the sight of her dead son, she becomes hysterical and goes into a frenzy. She doesn't scratch out her throat, she scratches across her face with her fingernails until her cheeks are torn and bleeding profusely. Self-harm is a typical characteristic of severe emotional distress. The Freys murdered her as a direct response to the mad behavior she was displaying. Catelyn wasn't originally supposed to die at the Red Wedding, her death would have achieved nothing, but she could have been a valuable hostage. Then she was reborn, but she remained in that unstable and deeply disturbed state of mind. Lady Stoneheart isn't the way she is because she was dead and resurrected, that's certainly part of it, but she is what Catelyn was at the Red Wedding in the few moments before they cut her throat. For all intents and purposes, the woman who slit Aegon Frey's throat was Lady Stoneheart. In the show, Catelyn becomes catatonic, which is also very powerful, but I personally prefer the more terrifying and gut wrenching book version. I understand that and i know it's more heartwretching in the book, but i don't think that the scratching on face action will transit well on-screen. The audience was only shock by the event and i felt if the show does it, it will ruin the emotional moment somehow. But that's my opinion. Edit: Shit! Typo with the word "heartwarming"!  |
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Post by Basil on Aug 1, 2016 13:30:52 GMT
In the book, Catelyn goes insane at the Red Wedding. Literally. She loses her mind at the sight of her dead son, she becomes hysterical and goes into a frenzy. She doesn't scratch out her throat, she scratches across her face with her fingernails until her cheeks are torn and bleeding profusely. Self-harm is a typical characteristic of severe emotional distress. The Freys murdered her as a direct response to the mad behavior she was displaying. Catelyn wasn't originally supposed to die at the Red Wedding, her death would have achieved nothing, but she could have been a valuable hostage. Then she was reborn, but she remained in that unstable and deeply disturbed state of mind. Lady Stoneheart isn't the way she is because she was dead and resurrected, that's certainly part of it, but she is what Catelyn was at the Red Wedding in the few moments before they cut her throat. For all intents and purposes, the woman who slit Aegon Frey's throat was Lady Stoneheart. In the show, Catelyn becomes catatonic, which is also very powerful, but I personally prefer the more terrifying and gut wrenching book version. I understand that and i know it's more heartwarming in the book, but i don't think that the scratching on face action will transit well on-screen. The audience was only shock by the event and i felt if the show does it, it will ruin the emotional moment somehow. But that's my opinion. I don't know whether it would have translated well to film or not, I'm just saying that I don't think it was over-the-top or unnecessary in the books at all - on the contrary, I think it was absolutely essential and it culminated in the birth of Lady Stoneheart. In retrospect, the fact that they omitted Catelyn's descent into madness should have been our first clue that they wouldn't do LSH. |
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Post by kingeomer on Aug 1, 2016 14:02:57 GMT
I understand that and i know it's more heartwarming in the book, but i don't think that the scratching on face action will transit well on-screen. The audience was only shock by the event and i felt if the show does it, it will ruin the emotional moment somehow. But that's my opinion. I don't know whether it would have translated well to film or not, I'm just saying that I don't think it was over-the-top or unnecessary in the books at all - on the contrary, I think it was absolutely essential and it culminated in the birth of Lady Stoneheart. In retrospect, the fact that they omitted Catelyn's descent into madness should have been our first sign that they wouldn't do LSH. Agree about that, the more I think about it. I felt like the way the Red Wedding went down in the book worked for the book. That creeping sense of dread that Catelyn had. The loud music, the terrible food, Grey Wind being very agitated...it's like you knew something was going to go down but you were hoping it wouldn't. The Greatjon throwing a table over Robb to save his life. Those things would have been great to see on screen but it would have been less shocking, I think. The show alters it with it starting off with Walder offering bread and salt (Catelyn demands this in the book), Robb's apology, a couple of cracks at Robb & Talisa from Walder, no crying Rosalin (which she did through the whole wedding in the book), Grey Wind being fairly chill en route to the Twins, but it starts off with decent music and everyone seems happy with the food. It felt more like a spider luring the unsuspecting flies to the trap and preserved the surprise for the unsullied, I think. I do think having Arya witness what the Freys did to Robb and Greywind was a good but heartbreaking change from the books (where it's not witnessed just spoken about). I agree Admin, the show should have used Robbwind as the final shot with the dead bodies around it...or a scene that evokes the image of the RW Dany saw in the House of the Undying in the books. I thought the show overall handled the RW well. Oddly enough, I'd have to find the interview, but Richard Madden did say in a recent interview that the initial plan was to have Robb go down fighting but they all felt like it would be more tragic if he didn't. |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 1, 2016 14:10:32 GMT
I'm pretty sure earlier in the thread I said I was glad the Greyjoy uncles were cut....womp womp. Although i would like to see Victarion on show since he's so comical in the book due to his stupidity, i felt it's best that he doesn't appear considering the critics and Unsullied watchers would view him as one-dimensional brute character. I like that Aeron's role was shortened in the show. I mean, we don't have to spend the amount of time hearing him jabbing about the Drowned God, do we? Though i would love to hear him more due to his actor did a great job. While you are glad the Greyjoy uncles were remove, I'm glad most of the sexist and dumb Ironborn characters from the book didn't appear in the show. Especially the love triangle with Asha and Qarl and Tristifer. What's the point? Yes to all of that. There was no point to that story at all. And at least we don't have to hear "Nuncle" |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 5, 2016 22:32:22 GMT
I understand that and i know it's more heartwarming in the book, but i don't think that the scratching on face action will transit well on-screen. The audience was only shock by the event and i felt if the show does it, it will ruin the emotional moment somehow. But that's my opinion. I don't know whether it would have translated well to film or not, I'm just saying that I don't think it was over-the-top or unnecessary in the books at all - on the contrary, I think it was absolutely essential and it culminated in the birth of Lady Stoneheart. In retrospect, the fact that they omitted Catelyn's descent into madness should have been our first clue that they wouldn't do LSH. In retrospect, I think their total disservice to Cat's character throughout the series, and sidelining her in favour of fucking Talisa should have clued us all in. *raaaage* I'm glad the show didn't delve too deeply into the different Wildlings, because i feel about them in the books much the same way others feel about the slavers; far too comical/absurd. Also, hurrah for no Val, the minor character everyone loves to fanfic about (sorry, I know we have/had Val fans on the board ) |
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Post by Belle on Aug 5, 2016 22:48:55 GMT
i'm glad they cut faegon and jon con
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 23:59:17 GMT
Although i would like to see Victarion on show since he's so comical in the book due to his stupidity, i felt it's best that he doesn't appear considering the critics and Unsullied watchers would view him as one-dimensional brute character. I like that Aeron's role was shortened in the show. I mean, we don't have to spend the amount of time hearing him jabbing about the Drowned God, do we? Though i would love to hear him more due to his actor did a great job. While you are glad the Greyjoy uncles were remove, I'm glad most of the sexist and dumb Ironborn characters from the book didn't appear in the show. Especially the love triangle with Asha and Qarl and Tristifer. What's the point? Yes to all of that. There was no point to that story at all. And at least we don't have to hear "Nuncle" |
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Post by kingeomer on Aug 6, 2016 13:04:53 GMT
i'm glad they cut faegon and jon con Same. I don't know if this is mentioned before or not (I'm too lazy to look) One change I really did like that the show did was not have Stannis stuck on a boat during the battle of the Blackwater. I liked that they had him fighting and even when he was losing, he literally had be dragged away in defeat. Such a contrast to Joffrey, who left it to his men and Tyrion to handle the battle. Even though I knew the outcome, I was rooting for Stannis to somehow win. |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 6, 2016 13:22:01 GMT
i'm glad they cut faegon and jon con Same. I don't know if this is mentioned before or not (I'm too lazy to look) One change I really did like that the show did was not have Stannis stuck on a boat during the battle of the Blackwater. I liked that they had him fighting and even when he was losing, he literally had be dragged away in defeat. Such a contrast to Joffrey, who left it to his men and Tyrion to handle the battle. Even though I knew the outcome, I was rooting for Stannis to somehow win. I was still reading the books during S2, and the episode prior to that I wasn't sure who I was rooting for. Then I read the "Renly's peach" monologue and became Team Stannis for life. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 6, 2016 18:29:31 GMT
i'm glad they cut faegon and jon con Same. I don't know if this is mentioned before or not (I'm too lazy to look) One change I really did like that the show did was not have Stannis stuck on a boat during the battle of the Blackwater. I liked that they had him fighting and even when he was losing, he literally had be dragged away in defeat. Such a contrast to Joffrey, who left it to his men and Tyrion to handle the battle. Even though I knew the outcome, I was rooting for Stannis to somehow win. Stannis was fighting on land in the books though wasn't he? Imry Florent had command of the navy and Stannis was picked up by Saan's ships I think |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 22:05:49 GMT
Same. I don't know if this is mentioned before or not (I'm too lazy to look) One change I really did like that the show did was not have Stannis stuck on a boat during the battle of the Blackwater. I liked that they had him fighting and even when he was losing, he literally had be dragged away in defeat. Such a contrast to Joffrey, who left it to his men and Tyrion to handle the battle. Even though I knew the outcome, I was rooting for Stannis to somehow win. I was still reading the books during S2, and the episode prior to that I wasn't sure who I was rooting for. Then I read the "Renly's peach" monologue and became Team Stannis for life. I'm curious how many of the fans who really love Stannis first saw him on the show. I know this topic has come up a lot before. Dillane's Stannis is just so much more sympathetic than book Stannis. |
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