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Post by day dreamer on May 15, 2015 15:20:31 GMT
Yes, Shireen with Davos. I love the expanded relationship there.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 16, 2015 21:51:28 GMT
Well, you guys have hit on everything already. I particularly think it makes more sense for the kids to be older given the important roles they get right of the back. This and the ridiculous size of the Wall are probably the first things that made me wonder how much Martin thinks about some of the details of his books. There's no doubt that he focuses on some: we know a lot about the clothing, food, and setting of the story but even with the planned 5 year gap, these kids were doing too much at a very young age regardless of the fact that it was set in medieval times. Well, the NW wear all black in snow-covered terrain, how practical is that uniform when you'd think the rangers would want to blend in? Like what someone else mentioned with the wildlings' 700ft rope ladder, the Wall is just a ridic place. And I believe the show had to change the Kingsguard armor because white plate would reflect sunlight too much, so that armor also sounds pretty impractical. Anyway, I hate Olly as much as the next person, but I'm glad Jon's NW opposition is so much more reasonable on the show. Book Alliser was only slightly of a dunderhead than Janos Slynt, and Bowen and his cronies were just pains-in-the-ass who objected to almost everything Jon did despite anything he said. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 16, 2015 22:09:28 GMT
Well, you guys have hit on everything already. I particularly think it makes more sense for the kids to be older given the important roles they get right of the back. This and the ridiculous size of the Wall are probably the first things that made me wonder how much Martin thinks about some of the details of his books. There's no doubt that he focuses on some: we know a lot about the clothing, food, and setting of the story but even with the planned 5 year gap, these kids were doing too much at a very young age regardless of the fact that it was set in medieval times. I really agree with the posters who said the weird hair was a good thing to lose. I'm also glad we lost the extreme mutilations: no nose, half a face bitten off. That was really too much. And the posters who've mentioned Sansa and Cat's "defining moments" being scrapped, I agree, I don't think Martin ever thought they'd be as permanent as they've become. The travel scenes were handled better on the show but I do understand what I think Martin was after in the books. Quests were not quick or interesting. However, that makes for slightly boring reads and even more boring views. Amen to the missing Penny. I hated her complacency. Finally, Sansa's arc on the show has been up and down, imho, but I really like what we've seen from her in the last 2 seasons. I'm very curious where things will wind up for her this season as well as in the books. As for the Wall, it's a fantasy. Some elements are fantastical, the Wall one of the more prominent ones. I do t see a problem with it being so big. never understood the Penny hate. I would take her over Tyrion all the time. He is self pitying yet pretends he doesn't let words hurt him. She is much more honest and realistic about her situation, despite having a significantly harder life than Tyrion. In a novel series filled with characters so morally corrupt I feel like bathing, she is a rare gleam of brightness to me at least. I'll miss her from Tyrions arc actually. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 0:55:51 GMT
The insane size of the Wall jibes with the sense of realism Martin tends to go for in most other facets of the story. I mean, having an enormous Wall is fine, because magic, but you can't then have archers managing to hit people off the top of that insanely tall wall, or a bunch of barbarians in the wilderness managing to build a ladder the size of the same insanely huge Wall.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 10:19:18 GMT
Reek not "preparing" Ramsay's wife.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 10:24:59 GMT
The insane size of the Wall jibes with the sense of realism Martin tends to go for in most other facets of the story. I mean, having an enormous Wall is fine, because magic, but you can't then have archers managing to hit people off the top of that insanely tall wall, or a bunch of barbarians in the wilderness managing to build a ladder the size of the same insanely huge Wall. He wanted to build something like Hadrian's wall, which when it was built would have a powrful awe inspiring affect on the local celts, and then give that same effect to people today. Obviously we wouldnt be impressed by a wall about the size of a house, so Martin made it really, really, really fucking big. At least, this is what the basics he said in an interview about it. The wall is one of many things in Westeros which defies physics. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 10:28:49 GMT
The Wall defying physics is fine, it's magic. The way the characters interact with the Wall is not magic, and therefore it should be constrained by physics, but is not in the books.
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Post by freypies on May 17, 2015 13:51:14 GMT
The Wall defying physics is fine, it's magic. The way the characters interact with the Wall is not magic, and therefore it should be constrained by physics, but is not in the books. Yeah, he even admitted recently that maybe he had underestimated just how high 700 feet actually is. I always found the battles a little ridiculous because of that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:29:07 GMT
The Wall defying physics is fine, it's magic. The way the characters interact with the Wall is not magic, and therefore it should be constrained by physics, but is not in the books. Yeah, he even admitted recently that maybe he had underestimated just how high 700 feet actually is. I always found the battles a little ridiculous because of that. Its a fantasy series grounded in reality (to a degree). But I think thats the point. Questioning how an arrow can hit anything from 700feet is like questioning how giants which are vegitarians can survive in a harsh and barren frozen wasteland. But I can look past that kind of thing since the main content is still top notch. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 16:57:19 GMT
Reek not "preparing" Ramsay's wife. If only we manage to escape such scenes tonight -- I don't think they'll include that one, but, horror of horrors, I'm preparing to watch tonight's episode ready to go into la la la la mode in order to keep from gagging.  My favorite additions so far are the Tywin/Arya scenario, Dracerys in the HoTU, all of the Gilly scenes, and Shireen and Davos. Close is the Sansa in WF scenario this season - I was prepared to absolutely hate it, but am enjoying it now and hoping she does avenge her family in spades (literally ?) |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 17:06:31 GMT
Yeah, he even admitted recently that maybe he had underestimated just how high 700 feet actually is. I always found the battles a little ridiculous because of that. Its a fantasy series grounded in reality (to a degree). But I think thats the point. Questioning how an arrow can hit anything from 700feet is like questioning how giants which are vegitarians can survive in a harsh and barren frozen wasteland. But I can look past that kind of thing since the main content is still top notch. I look past those kinds of things all the time. They ain't major, just minor annoyances really. T here could be any number of reasons why the Giants survive because once again, they are magic. There isn't one for how the arrows are flying at least twice as far as is possible. |
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Post by janicia on May 21, 2015 0:18:31 GMT
While neither are fleshed out, I think Ros and Olyvar have really helped to tie the Kings Landing story together and reduce the feeling of "this happens because the plot demands it". Like Ros' death motivating Varys to try to save Shae, which allowed us to see Shae's true intentions. And Ros and Olyvar getting entangled in the webs of people spying on each other brings that aspect of Kings Landing to life.
And the attention to detail in the costuming and the beauty of the settings is totally amazing to me. Also, they've gotten so many great actors, even in the minor roles.
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 2:30:07 GMT
I had really forgotten about the wildlings using a ladder to climb the Wall. Damn, that made no sense  |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 14:03:19 GMT
I liked Ros. She was, for me, an example of change done right.
She provided Theon, GM Pycelle, Sansa and Shae, Littlefinger and varys, Jofferey with character development. Brought the lower class view of the world to the screen, and showed us just how disposable peasents were.
She did everything that needed doing, before being rather un-gracefully cutdown by an angsty teen with sick sexual fantasies.
She's easily the best of the HBO homegrown characters.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 23, 2015 6:09:56 GMT
Ros was the best, Olyvar and Olly just don't compare.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 23, 2015 17:14:35 GMT
One character amalgamation that actually worked: having Gendry play Edric Storm was a clever move, giving him something to do at the same time that puts a loved character in danger at the hands of Mel.
Cersei/Robert talks from S1, Margary/Olenna talks from S3 and S4, Catelyn's monologue about Jon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 13:28:08 GMT
After reading this, I now know I belong here and not at the other place. Gosh, I just don't get the pure vile hatred of D&D and the show over there. Calm down.
Anyways....
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Post by Enid on Jun 4, 2015 13:26:34 GMT
Sending Jon to Hardhome
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 13:43:35 GMT
After reading this, I now know I belong here and not at the other place. Gosh, I just don't get the pure vile hatred of D&D and the show over there. Calm down.Anyways.... I was thinking exactly the same thing. Changes I liked: - The Robert/Cersei scene from S1 - Cats monologue about Jon - Talisa, although I didn't always like her, I very much prefered to actually see her interact with Robb instead of having it all happen off screen like in the books. - Hardhome!!!  - Aging up the characters in general - All the Margaery changes. She is a much better character in the series. - A bit controversial but writing Cersei as morally ambiguous and somewhat relatable instead of potraying her as a straight up evil person. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 14:31:15 GMT
After reading this, I now know I belong here and not at the other place. Gosh, I just don't get the pure vile hatred of D&D and the show over there. Calm down.Anyways.... - A bit controversial but writing Cersei as morally ambiguous and somewhat relatable instead of potraying her as a straight up evil person. Which never made almost any sense to me. GRRM has talked at length about his one dislike about Tolkien's Middle Earth (the godfather of medieval fantasy novels) is that it was too black and white. When you have Aragorn fighting the Witch King of Angmar, who are you going to root for? The one who is obviously good over the pure evil being, right? He's always wanted his characters in ASOIAF to be grey which leaning tendencies to one way or another. Makes for deeper characters. I thought this was well done with Jaime. Whereas Cersei was a straight up evil bitch... |
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