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Post by Father of Dragons on May 11, 2015 23:33:20 GMT
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Post by tyrell19 on May 11, 2015 23:58:41 GMT
Probably strongest ep of season so far! Selyse going south makes me rethink that shot of her in the trailer. Got to be her being thrown at Roose's feet. She may be horrible but oh dear lord! If anyone's interested wrote a review as well. Had to be neutral but I think my love for Stannis seeps through  hitsville.co.uk/tagged/tv |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:47:15 GMT
Oh ffs, it always comes down to Daario doesn't it. I hope Dany takes him to Westeros and precedes to make him her king Consort, and fucks him day and night. Why Dany fucking Daario is such a big deal to some people I will never understand. I did post the other reasons I found it dull, but whatever. I don't mind that she fucks Daario. What I do mind is how much time is dedicated to him and the fucking, particularly when I find him an uninteresting character. All the time? Try one chapter out of Dany's ten chapters in ADWD, one chapter was dedicated to their fucking. That's it. As for inner conflict her entire ADWD arc is about her inner conflict, it's an almost entirely internal struggle which is why so many people find it boring. It begins at the end of ASOS with the chaining of her dragons and herself and it end with her dropping the whip in the Dothraki sea and embracing who she is. You don't have to like it, but don't mischaracterize what it's all about. I would also add the Dany's ADWD arc is mirrored by Jon Snow's arc, that of two young leaders trying to change two ancient traditions and coming up against a wall each time. Quite an internal struggle as well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 1:38:05 GMT
At no point did I mischaracterise her arc. Rather, it seems you have misrepresented my argument, which conveniently makes it much easier for you to attack. What I am saying is that it was incredibly poorly handled, because of the focus on things that have nothing to do with her inner conflict, of which Daario is only one part, and that includes not only the fucking but also her pining after him. My main problem is the endless and extremely dull Meereenese politics with their parade of one-dimensional characters with unmemorable names, as well as the dull bureaucracy. I'd also throw Yunkai being poorly developed and cartoonish antagonists in there too.
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Post by sj4iy on May 12, 2015 3:46:43 GMT
Well, this thread turned fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 3:52:05 GMT
Well, this thread turned fun. And, I keep wanting to say to you, kudos to you for keeping the 'Positive Nitpicking' thread at 'that other place', positive. A yeoman's job you're doing there. Its the only thread there that I can bear to look at.
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2015 4:12:30 GMT
It's bit off topic here now. Guys, let's go back to rating the episode. There is plenty of room to discuss the ep in other threads.
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Post by sj4iy on May 12, 2015 4:33:39 GMT
Well, this thread turned fun. And, I keep wanting to say to you, kudos to you for keeping the 'Positive Nitpicking' thread at 'that other place', positive. A yeoman's job you're doing there. Its the only thread there that I can bear to look at.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on May 12, 2015 6:43:39 GMT
Olly. No? Just me? Okay. I've done that ->  too much already Olly doesn't bother me too much. At least they gave a backstory that makes his upcoming conflict with Jon make sense. I don't think we're missing out on a great character in Bowen Marsh not being present either. Yeah Olly is a walking cliche but he isn't worse than Bowen, I actually think Olly stabbing Jon will be kinda hilarious  And I don't see what's so bad about this thread, just cause it isn't a pure lovefest for the ep like all the others? I kinda agree with both sides on Danys ADWD arc. I like the debate  |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 8:40:18 GMT
Best episode of the season so far. I'm going to give it a 9½, because I have only given 10/10 to Blackwater, Baelor and the Rains of Castamere.
The Winterfell story line is certainly entertaining. Nice to see Ramsay put in his place by the good old Roose. The Myranda parts were nonsense, but otherwise very entertaining. The Wall has been the best story line this season and it's going to be a challenge to maintain that status when Stannis leaves. Absolutely fantastic to see Tormund back. They're starting to build up Hardhome. Glad to see that this episode didn't have any King's Landing in it, weakest story line this season, after Dorne of course.
Meereen was decent. Grey worm's & Missandei's forced love story is wasting our precious screen time. Dany's proposal was quite weird.
Jorah's grey scale pretty much confirms that Connington is out. Probably Aegon too. For some reason, I don't feel too bad about that change.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:44:24 GMT
I think Jorah getting greyscale confirms that it will become a plague in Westeros.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:46:03 GMT
At no point did I mischaracterise her arc. Rather, it seems you have misrepresented my argument, which conveniently makes it much easier for you to attack. What I am saying is that it was incredibly poorly handled, because of the focus on things that have nothing to do with her inner conflict, of which Daario is only one part, and that includes not only the fucking but also her pining after him. My main problem is the endless and extremely dull Meereenese politics with their parade of one-dimensional characters with unmemorable names, as well as the dull bureaucracy. I'd also throw Yunkai being poorly developed and cartoonish antagonists in there too. Just wanted to correct this, Daario is part of her inner conflict. He's the one throughout ADWD who keeps reminding her she's a dragon, when she's trying to be Mhysa. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:47:21 GMT
I think Jorah getting greyscale confirms that it will become a plague in Westeros. Well, if he's taking that part of JonCon's role, then I agree he's taking the plague to Westeros. This makes me unhappy. |
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Post by theonionsleight on May 12, 2015 23:35:30 GMT
Okay, at first I wanted to give the episode a 9, because I want to save my 10 for something ~special~, but after re-watching it, I now think it's one of my favourite episodes overall in GoT, and it gets a 10 from me!
I'll write tomorrow why, I'm still at listing the things I loved (and that were many), but it's here now really damn late, and I'm so tired now, I'll do it after work tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 6:35:03 GMT
i gave it a 9.
Really enjoyed this episode
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- would have liked to see some Arya
- Dany's proposal was absolutely out of no where. no pressure, not even any terms just 'you're going to marry me'.
- Would have like Edd to stick up for Jon about the wildlings. I think they are setting HIM up to stab Jon. Olly and Thorne will take part but it won't be the boys idea.
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Post by serpounce on May 13, 2015 13:14:15 GMT
10. Excellent episode. The world building of Valarya was especially nice to see. And I enjoyed everything at the Wall.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 13, 2015 18:38:08 GMT
Weakest episode of the season for me. It had severe storytelling problems except for Valyria. Meereen went from amazing in 1,2 and 4 to a total cluster. The Wall was okay, but had thematic issues. Winterfell was boring and felt like a High School drama.
LIKED
-Davos and Shireen
-Stannis and Sam
-Gilly and Sam
-Jon and the Mess Hall
-Stannis being a Grammar Nazi
DISLIKED
-Almost everything about Meereen was just, wrong. It was a bad premise with poor writing.
-Jon not "Killing the Boy" with Tormund.
-Reintroducing Shae into the story. I thought she died.
-The way news moves so fast in Westeros is going to severely harm Bran's storyline next season, and it had no payoff.
-Winterfell is boring and feels like a Northern version of an interpersonal family feud. It's the King's Landing, Bolton style. These characters were not designed for this kind of a story, and it is wholly dissatisfying knowing what it is replacing.
-Nitpick: Davos would never say "What?" to Stannis.
-What I'm assuming is Podeswa's direction for Alfie playing Reek is lackluster.
I'm writing a hell of a lot more on it that's a massive wall of analysis but it's taking time to dissect down to the structural frame of why it's not good. 5.05 is a crappy desert that is covered in sugar to mask the lack of flavor.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 18:56:55 GMT
I am perplexed by this
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 13, 2015 19:02:36 GMT
Let me post an excerpt of what I've been working on. Did I just describe Myranda's backstory... ...or did I just describe Shae's? Thing is, I described both. Myranda is Dark Shae, and it appears she is going to be the catalyst that drives the Winterfell arc for the next several episodes unless something unexpected happens and they introduce some Northern Lords. But the wedding is the next episode, and these Lords should have been mentioned in 5.05 if they were going to play a significant role. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 19:10:26 GMT
Huh, I guess that does fit. Doesn't bother me much though. The Bolton's storyline has had quite a few parallels, and I quite enjoy them. Ned/Jon and Roose/Ramsay, the scene where Roose tells Ramsay about his mother with the Shireen-Stannis scene.
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too much already
