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Post by Zadeth on May 5, 2019 21:28:11 GMT
How did you find the fourth episode?
Spoilers for the episode may be discussed, but no future spoilers are permitted.
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Post by Singer of Death on May 6, 2019 2:15:53 GMT
Damn I didn't believe they would go for this route. I mean like I'm willing to forgive the writing for season 5, but this... like wow.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 6, 2019 2:49:02 GMT
A mess. Parts of it I liked, but a mess.
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Post by Enid on May 6, 2019 6:01:20 GMT
Part of me hope they are misleading us and making things as bad as possible before they get resolved.
But the biggest part of me is convinced they are really going to follow this path and the ending is going to be bleak for the sake of subversions.
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Post by Basil on May 6, 2019 6:27:44 GMT
Of course it's great television, but I absolutely hate the direction the story is heading. It really looks like they're gonna give us the most downer ending possible.
I lowkey wish the show had ended with 8x03.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 6, 2019 6:47:22 GMT
Game of Thrones or how I learned to stop writing and make our audience as salty as possible.
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Post by Basil on May 6, 2019 7:02:53 GMT
I'm so ready for this show to be over, holy shit.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on May 6, 2019 7:41:28 GMT
Jon’s a fucking idiot. Dany>Jon
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Post by Zadeth on May 6, 2019 7:59:37 GMT
I thought this episode was much better than last week, but still not great. Pros: Opening - I really liked the cold opening and the funeral pyre scene. It was really heart warming to see Sansa pin the Stark broach on to Theon before the procession. Apart from his ridiculous charge into the Night King, I was happy with the wrap up of his arc and his redemption. He was a good man in the end. Drunk Tormund was pretty funny. I'm guessing we won't see more of the Wildlings, which I guess is fine, so I hope he and Ghost have a happy life together. It's something that won't ever be answered in the show, but I can't recall if there were many Wildlings who didn't join Mance and thus are still out there (though of course a lot would have been wiped out at Hardhome). They weren't many 'Northern Wildings', if you will, left. Varys . Finally, finally, finally they allow the Spider to once again spin his web in our final Act. I am so glad after so many seasons that we finally see Varys back to his scheming origins, and having the same motivations of protecting the little person and the Realm. I thought Conleth Hill was fantastic tonight, especially in the Throne Room of Dragonstone with Tyrion. I guess Jon is our fAegon in a sense. Sandor. As always, I'm happy to get more Sandor scenes. I thought his scenes with both Sansa and Arya were well done. I hope he makes it out of the season alive. MehGreyjoys - On the one hand, I am happy to see the Greyjoys dominate a naval battle. This is something the show has seriously neglected, in my opinion, and it is great to see them just outright destroy Dany's fleet. That being said, them hitting 3/3 bolts on Rhaegal whilst they're hiding behind a rock and the missing a dozen or so on Drogon? Fuck off. ConsBattle scars, or lack thereof. I thought it was just insult to injury that the majority of the characters had minor scrapes and bruises after the Battle for Winterfell. Brienne had a bruised eye, and I think one bruise on her leg, when she was constantly swarmed by the Army of the Dead. Jaime had nothing. Arya had her head smashed against concrete and nothing of it. Fuck off. Jaime. Him going back to Cersei is such a yawn-fest. The whole "I'm a bad man, I've done bad things speech" really irked me. Fuck his arc, I guess. He's just bad. I thought Gwendoline Christie's acting in the final scene between them was excellent, and it's so sad to see Brienne get her hopes ripped away from her once she's attained what she always wanted; but that's GoT for you I guess. Bronn - the whole Bronn scene was a big cringe-fest and a yikes from me. I don't really have much to say about it. If he does end up getting Highgarden, I guess it is kind of poetic (?) considering the Tyrells only got it from being in the right place and bending the knee. General thoughts Missandei - she just conveniently survives the Battle for Winterfell, the naval destruction, somehow gets found and captured, just for the purpose of being executed to drive the plot forward? Yawn. They should have had the Greyjoy fleet do what they did previously and raid the ship Missandei was on and take her that way. Though of course you'd have to write something for that, and not just cut away and make things up off screen. I did think her getting fucking yeeted off the walls after she died was visually nice, however. Cersei's innocent meat shield is going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Will Dany just be another Aerys II who will do whatever she needs to, to obtain/retain power? I thought it was laughable that Drogon is sitting still in the back, behind Dany's lacklustre showing of Unsullied and the multiple Scorpions and archers do not fire at him. Cersei is ruthless and pragmatic, I doubt she would give two shits that Dany was there trying to negotiate peace. If you could take out your enemy's last nuke, why the fuck wouldn't you try?
I'd give it a 6.5/10 upon first watch.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 6, 2019 9:10:15 GMT
Why do the zombies turn into ice shards when the Night King is killed but Lyanna and Edd are perfect corpses for the pyre scene? I don't understand.
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Post by Enid on May 6, 2019 9:10:19 GMT
I'm used to seeing mixed reactions to GOT episodes, including the best ones, but this time what I'm seeing is a mostly negative reaction from everyone.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 6, 2019 9:23:38 GMT
Baratheons and getting rejected by Starks. Name a more iconic duo.
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Post by Enid on May 6, 2019 9:51:15 GMT
Baratheons and getting rejected by Starks. Name a more iconic duo. TBH I think he had her until he said the word "lady". The show has made it a trigger word for Arya. If D&D don't hate Arya completely, she will have a chat with the Hound and a nice ending with Gendry, either in Storm's End or somewhere else. But after Arya saying she is not coming back to WF (her goal for 5 seasons) I imagine the dreaded "what's west of Westeros" theory will come true. Because that's bittersweet and shocking. They seem to be going for Mad Queen Dany because no one expected it besides Dany haters, Jaime is going back to Cersei (hopefully he lied to Brienne to protect her and is going to KL to stop her), Varys conspires against Dany with no regard for the huge losses she has suffered lately, Sansa once again puts her own self-interest ahead of her family, Bran still has barely any personality despite not having to monitor the NK anymore. Is like the character progression they had for the last few seasons doesn't matter anymore. I'm drained. I was wondering if the show would be able to engage me in the war with Cersei because episode 3 felt like the ending, and this episode has done nothing to spark my interest. Last week I wanted episode 4 ASAP. I don't feel the same about episode 5. I'll watch the last two episodes because I'm not going to quit now, but I feel really detached from the show and unless they do a 180, I think I will stay that way.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on May 6, 2019 10:11:41 GMT
Narrative and visual boredom.
I know Kit Harrington said this episode was very Shakespearean. Much like Shakespeare has many plays of varying quality, Game of Thrones has plenty of episodes, many of which are good, some of which are great, and some which are steaming piles of shit that HBO should be fined for leaving lying around like this.
It's as if all the subtext, metaphor and subtle hints have disappeared entirely. First Arya kills the Night King based on a quote from 4-5 years ago (willing to overlook that one), then Euron, with 0 build up or hints whatsoever pops up from out of nowhere and offs a dragon.
Btw, why do Cersei and Euron know, or care who Missandei is? She was Danny's translator in Essos, but it's hardly like she's the woman behind her entire campaign or anything like that. The idea that any of these people would be able to identify in a sea of drowning people, and capture one lady who they've maybe only briefly seen once in the dragonpit is ridiculous. And once again, there's no precedence, whatsoever for Missandei getting killed here. It's disappointing because this was a show that always, always acted on precedence set in previous episodes/seasons. This entire episode is an oddly paced mess, that lingers too long in some areas (ie. the edgey, xenophobic mess that is the Stark family) and rushes through other stuff in a second. Stuff that feels important.
Arya is embracing maximum edgelord with her firing arrows into random shit nonsense. If fedoras existed in Westeros, Arya would wear two for maximum effect. She's so cringe, and that scene with the stark kids in the Godswood made legit queasy. Jon is dumb, Sansa is a shit stirrer, Bran is useless and Arya is bleh.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 6, 2019 10:52:54 GMT
Why do the zombies turn into ice shards when the Night King is killed but Lyanna and Edd are perfect corpses for the pyre scene? I don't understand. The White Walkers turn into ice shards when they die but Wights just crumble. So if they're skeletal and the only thing keeping them together is magic then they'll collapse into pieces, but it seems freshly-dead corpses will just fall down since there's still other stuff holding all the bones together.
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Post by Enid on May 6, 2019 10:54:13 GMT
Ok I thought it was a manip but no, you can actually see a Starbucks cup during the feast:
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Post by Zadeth on May 6, 2019 10:56:58 GMT
Ok I thought it was a manip but no, you can actually see a Starbucks cup during the feast: lmao
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Post by Basil on May 6, 2019 11:17:17 GMT
I'm confused as to why Gendry referred to himself as Gendry Rivers. His father was Robert Baratheon and his mother was a tavern wench in Flea Bottom, no? Shouldn't he be named Gendry Waters?
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Post by kingeomer on May 6, 2019 11:17:28 GMT
Ugh. I really did not care for this episode. The writing was horrific. The acting carried this one.
I will update this post in a bit.
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Post by Singer of Death on May 6, 2019 11:19:43 GMT
The only thing I can say something positive is that the funeral pyre scene is beautiful. Sansa seeing Theon’s corpse and giving him her Stark pin.
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