Cassian's storylines themselves are great and you can see a clear structure, but the other characters feel like they have to fit within that structure rather than stand on their own as well. The characterisation is great though, it's an incredible cast and I'd say (mostly) everyone is utilised very well.
the ensemble nature of the cast did not always work for it, which i guess is something it had in common with rogue one and its pacing issues. cassian's plot was usually advanced in each ep but with the other chars it often felt like we were just checking in on them without real change yet. like i felt bad wanting mon mothma's plot with her daughter to end where it did, but what was even the point if it didn't?
do you have any thoughts on cass's backstory being retconned from rogue one? not just the official homeworld but his vibes in the post-eadu fight with jyn where he def sounds like he's been a true believer for more than 5 years. now she's canonically the one with more rebel experience, having been raised by saw and being his best fighter by the time she was 16.
and did you also watch tales of the jedi? i'm not as big a filoni fan as some of y'all but i liked the dooku eps and i think they work to explain his radicalization coming from true idealism so long as you take them as his pov only.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
I think this show is definitely benefitting from the unreliable narration of the book. The idea that all of these events are the true history definitely put certain attitudes into perspective about the way the book is written. It's going to give people a lot to speculate about for the next series, rather than just complaining about the adaptation leaving things out. Refreshing.
yeah, there are actual adaptation changes, mostly chronological, but it seems like what gets fans riled up the most is the stuff that could never be certain in the text. nobody can say for sure what viserys would or wouldn't say to alicent or rhaenyra in private with no witnesses. or what aemond's true intentions were that many feet in the air above any witnesses. but ofc he'd embrace the kinslayer role afterward once he was stuck with it, rather than admit he was being an idiot and lost control of the situation.
i was watching one of the interview vids with grrm and one of the fan questions was if we should accept hot d's take as "the true story". his answer was basically "it's all made up. maester gyldayn isn't real, you know."
eta: keep forgetting to mention that one detail i really enjoyed was hearing kingsguard or in this case, queensguard vows for the first time. love that extra worldbuilding how clear it was they cribbed from the night's watch with take no wife, hold no lands, father no children bits.
Rhaneyra…Rhanerya…how you gonna send them boys over to Lords whose fathers made the promise to honor your succession with no terms, deals, etc???
that is the real failure, that luke didn't understand the real powers of a royal envoy and rhaenyra did not explain it to him. if all she wanted was a messenger she could have stuck with ravens. the correct response would have been "i'm betrothed, but my brother prince joffrey is still unclaimed if you don't mind waiting a few years. and my mother would surely honor you in other ways if you'd name a reasonable price." but luke was too young and inexperienced and too intimidated by aemond to think that way. a 14/15 boy can send his mother as envoy like robb did with cat to the freys and renly, and she'll understand how to negotiate without set instructions. the other way around, with a mother sending a 14yo son with no set instructions, that's not such a great idea.
it occurs to me that luke is unique among all the second sons in this story. otto, larys, daemon, vaemond, and aemond were all born with no inheritance and grasped for all the power they could claim. lucerys actually was an heir since his elder brother had an even higher claim, yet he didn't even want his birthright! and he was doomed by trying to be too dutiful and not thinking too much for himself as a true independent-minded second son would have. even if he'd just fled as soon as he saw vhagar and reported the baratheons had already gone to the other side, rhaenyra wouldn't have held it against him.
he fucking better! and i don't want any of them cut either. i need to meet grover, elmo, kermit, and oscar. (i will accept human actors playing them tho.)
trying to count all the scene parallels/callbacks since there were A LOT:
rhaenyra's last and worst childbirth calls back to her mother's. as that scene cut back and forth with knights playing at war/screaming in rage and pain and daemon fighting for the house of the dragon, this one cuts back and forth with daemon planning an actual war and rhaenyra's literal dragon screaming out in pain with her. the big difference being only the baby, not the mother, died this time.
daemon arriving late to find his last child already dead parallels him catching up to laena too late to stop her suicide
the baby's funeral/cremation parallels aemma/baby baelon's funeral/cremation
rhaenyra's coronation/entering the painted table room as her titles were called out calls back to her first being named heir
rhaena serving wine to her stepmother rhaenyra calls back to rhaenyra serving as cupbearer to her father viserys
otto and daemon having a showdown on the dragonstone bridge with rhaenyra flying in on syrax calls back to their similar showdown in ep 2, with rhaenyra being the only one to stop bloodshed both times
the page alicent sends is the one rhaenyra ripped from the book about nymeria in the pilot with ali apparently having saved it for 20+ years
corlys/rhaenys's bedside convo reminds me of laenor/rhaenyra's last scene with the velaryon man apologizing and saying what he thinks his targ wife wants to hear, tho what he suggests couldn't last, and the targ wife basically responding "it's really too late to change now so we might as well just ...."
daemon seeking out vermithor deep in the dragonmont calls back to aemond going into the dragon pit to find a dragon in ep 6. except that time knock-off daemon hadn't worked his courage up properly yet and had to run away.
aemond bullying luke in storm's end calls back to the bracken bullying the bloodwood lordling there when we first saw storm's end. except that time blood was allowed to be spilled inside the hall and the smaller boy actually prevailed. in both cases, the animosity was long festering and had little to do with the prospective marriages being arranged at storm's end.
rhaenyra ending the ep looking right into the camera parallels her doing the same in the last shot of the pilot, but with very diffeerent emotions on her face.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
I suppose in fairness I should say that the release schedule hasn’t been great match for the pacing of the season. They released the first three at once, which was a great decision since just the first two (and especially the first) wouldn’t have been enough. Andor is mostly 3-episode arcs (I think I read it was 3-3-1-3-2) so those weeks inbetween a storyline beginning and ending can really drag.
yeah, i watched the first four eps weeks ago but i see you've gone past me now. ep 3 ends on such a great cliffhanger and then ep 4 slows right back down again and it's one ep at a time after 3. thinking of waiting til it's done and then binging through to fully get everything.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
I think if I’m taking issue with anyone’s characterisation at this stage it would be Criston. Mild book spoilers though I think we’re past that point in the story now
I’ve really not seen anything from his character that would make him worthy of the Kingmaker nickname he has in the books. As mentioned Beesbury’s death is an accident stemming from his hot-headedness, and he plays no role in convincing Aegon to be king. It seems all of his cunning has gone to other characters, mostly Otto.
even in f&b idt criston really does anything cunning to merit the kingmaker label. yeah, his killing lord beesbury was allegedly more intentional, but otto and alicent are still the ones in charge of that meeting iirc. i think the idea of him actually convincing aegon to take the throne comes from the main series, right? the povs of characters hundreds of years later who aren't exactly history scholars. you can tell grrm changed his mind about a lot of things once he actually set out to write the details of the dance. i think at one point it's stated that criston's vendetta against rhaenyra was rumoured to be because they had a love affair which ended badly before he got his white cloak. which is impossible with the f&b chronology where she was still a child (and i mean younger than the show, like 7 or so) when he joined the kingsguard. in-universe i guess it's just a case of a man getting credit for a woman's work usurping the throne while pupppetmaster otto gets no blame at all. although
we can assume he's still gonna become the king's hand and lead his army once aegon fires grandpa otto in s2, so that could influence his importance among the general population not present for any political machinations.
it's kinda like how tyrion was seen as the demon monkey evil councillor to joffrey partly bc he was the new guy, while everyone was used to cersei and the rest from robert's time. maybe otto and alicent had similar goodwill from being fixtures of the long reign of viserys the peaceful, before and after viserys made alicent his queen. either way, criston is one who puclicly crowned aegon before a whole bunch of people.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 18, 2022 5:46:48 GMT
larys has a foot fetish and alicent lets him jack off in front of her was one of the leaked spoilers, and the one i least wanted to believe. i'm not entirely comfortable with giving the creepy clubfoot a foot fetish, so i'll just pretend that was just as far as alicent was willing to strip for him and him wanting to jerk off in front of her was the kind of creepiness any able-bodied man could have. (not that a foot fetish is inherently grosser than just masturbating in front of someone. that's obvs the real violation. i just mean that "oh, the cripple is sexually aroused just by feet" is certainly a choice and one i don't really like.)
oh, all women are like the mother above and should be spoken of with reverence, criston? except for that spoiled cunt who rejected his marriage-in-exile proposal, i guess. you just know his born-again turn is down to alicent. i imagine they spend their free time together in seven-pointed bible study. and that larys would be disgusted by such pastime just as criston would be murderously offended by larys's treatment of alicent.
ser harrold's departure was definitely reminiscent of ser barristan's, though barry was fired rather than resigning of his own accord. it was just the quiet retirement the lannisters had planned for him that he rejected. but it was weird that otto just let him go after saying the doors would remain closed and arresting all those other people, servants and lords. esp since joff did send men after barry to try to stop him leaving the city.
after softening on otto last week with his smile to helaena and silly little clap, he just had to prove again that he is the worst. the jumping right to killing all of team rhaenyra didn't surprise me, but that he's been plotting with ser tyland and lord wylde behind ali's back kinda did. even if she were on board with murder first, she could still be offended by that lack of respect. after all these years he still sees her as no more than his little girl, and after she finally stands up to him, he pulls out the beloved dead mother card to get under her skin again and remind her of her sex. (as cersei would say "even a queen is still just a woman, after all.") that "our hearts were never one" line was all over the trailers and i'm so glad it came in the context of alicent to otto.
also, how did otto really think the kg could "cleanly and quietly" kill team rhaenyra when they have dragons on dragonstone, not to mention their own guards and daemon being an experienced warrior himself. this is just like in ep 2 when he acted surprised to find himself threatened by caraxes.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
Helaena is oblivious to Aemond's "subtle" insults and almost applauds after his toast
Daemon is always out of focus during the toast but his body language is very telling; he reaches for his drink when everyone else is fixed on Aemond; he looks bored throughout.
Aemond doesn't spill a drop of his drink after Jace hits him
As mentioned above Rhaena is holding back Baela (looks like she went after Aegon during the fight)
Otto is visibly nervous when Daemon walks between Aemond and the boys
I love that they didn't draw attention to any of these, it's so much more rewarding. Definitely my favourite episode so far.
lol, yes, just as she was the only green happy to see viserys in the throne room, i believe.
apparently daemon was meant to give a dinner speech too but they ending up cutting it bc he wordlessly showed his love for viserys in the throne room. him helping viserys up the steps was scripted but the crown falling off was not and matt smith just rolled with it.which seems amazing since it's such a perfect parallel to ep 4 when daemon gave up his dinky crown. that time he did want to reconcile with his family but it also a choreographed show of humility where he got to swagger in crowned and make clear viserys owed the gift of the stepstones to him. this time it was purely genuine and the last chance for daemon to take the place he'd always wanted at his brother's side, and be more trusted than otto.
i just realized baela going for big eggo is foreshadowing for her own big moment at the end of the war.
otto's reactions were great throughout that scene like his wtf looks when alicent tries to make nice with rhaenyra, first reacting to her saying "you'll make a fine queen" and then later when she tries to stop rhaenyra leaving after kidfight round two. like "really you're backsliding now, after all these trying to destroy her? i felt sure we were done with this shit after you went at her with a knife." but his weird little golf clap was the best, i think that bit was just the actors having fun.
agreed, def best ep yet. i could rewatch the throne room and dinner scenes for a while.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
I saw someone point out that Jace looks like book!Jon's description with the brown hair, long face, and looking more like a teen than Kitten ever did on GoT. Which fits since he feels like the closest this story has to a Stark hero. Being thin-skinned about his honor/bastardy and his lady is very Stark-like. Think Ned almost killing Littlefinger in the street, book!Jon twice attacking Alliser Thorne, show!Robb being held back by Cat as Walder Frey insulted Talisa, etc. Daddy Harwin was the same attacking Criston and trying to defend his secret sons in the practice yard. As he told his father "You have your honor and I have mine". Only problem is his sons inherited his Strong blood/hair without all his literal strength and bulk, so they are no longer a match for Aemond even if they and their girls still outnumber him. (Blink and you'll miss it background moment, but Baela was ready to throw down again once the boys started fighting and Rhaena had to stop her.)
other observations:
viserys's grand entrance mirrors alicent's big entrance with the green dress in ep 5. she interrupted him just as he interrupted rhaenyra. and she was lined up in the doorway directly in front of the throne which viserys/rhaenyra were sitting in front of, just as viserys here went for the throne which otto had claimed. that was her first trying to assert herself and this was viserys's final time reasserting his power. but the scene ends with alicent closer to the throne than rhaenyra after she rushes to help viserys to his feet, foreshadowing that this was too little too late and the greens will be back in position as soon as viserys is gone.
viserys i and maester aemon both died speaking of a king named aegon and dreams.
if i'm not mistaken rhaenys gave team rhaenyra a quick nod and smile before speaking her piece, so maybe she does believe rhaenyra's technical truth about not killing laenor, while still having plenty of reason for resentment about rhaenyra/daemon's hasty remarriage.
look how giddy daemon was after harvesting those dragon eggs for his babies! he hasn't looked that happy since he prematurely thought he'd beaten criston in their fight in the pilot.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 11, 2022 12:07:54 GMT
agreed about rhaenyra's claim to the throne, tho worth noting corlys overlooking luke's paternity is not quite the same as laenor doing it. he sounded pretty resigned when saying history remembers names, not blood. he's not going to out his son as a cuckold and give up any chance of a velaryon-targ king or the next lord of driftmark being a prince, and he prob does care for those boys, but that's doesn't mean he wouldn't prefer an heir and a future king who look like him. rhaenys had a point that it is ambition driving him. and she is advocating for her granddaughters whose mother (at least in the text) was the firstborn sibling, and certainly baela is older than luke, so not quite the same as cat arguing for some vale rando over jon.
corlys: i'm all for female inheritance rights as long as the women are closely related to me. my wife should've been queen! my wife should've been queen! my wife should've been queen!
also corlys: no, i can't have my granddaughter as my heiress bc she has my blood but not my surname and i'd rather settle for the other way around. (jace and luke kind of have the opposite problem from jon snow who had ned's blood but not his name.)
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 11, 2022 11:25:42 GMT
i know there are a lot of targ stans and book readers upset by that misunderstanding in the final scene and really any humanization for alicent, but i am very onboard with it. book!alicent is basically just a 1-dimensional wicked stepmother which is so boring since we know grrm is capable of more than that. show!ali is more a catelyn/marg/cersei hybrid which makes for a more well-rounded character. imo the best thing the show did was making her and rhaenyra closer in age to make this rivalry a tragic break-up story rather than just two women who hate each other. in the text it's clear that all the toasts were fake and/or insulting with only viserys being fooled. here, rhaenyra and alicent were sincere and it was just their sons who could not let shit go and behave.
i was def not expecting another almost reconciliation after 1.04, but gotdamn.
and yes, gods, dying viserys reaching out with a hand and gasping out "my love" with his final breaths, as if he could see aemma waiting for him on the other side. that grisly childbed death scene in the pilot was the very opposite of gratuitous. with book viserys there is no clear reason for him to keep rhaenyra as heir after he has sons besides just laziness and being a dope, but show!viserys's overriding motivation is his love for his first wife and the lingering grief/guilt over her death.
i wasn't sure where to put this but for anyone else who was a veteran of the glee fandom, i feel like this alicent fanvid set to kurt hummel's version of rose's turn perfectly encapusates the character. i need to watch it 100 times.
btw, for my fellow last kingdom fans new aemond is the bastard warrior monk osferth and new helaena was athelflaed's daughter in the final season.
I hope they find a way to mention Corlys and Rhaenys' reaction to Daemon/Rhaenyra moving on and getting married about a day after Laena's funeral and Leanor's death. (I suppose there's nothing specifying that the wedding was so immediate, but that was definitely my impression.)
Luke's nose appeared healed so I guess it was enough time for that, at least. But, yeah, idt anyone will be happy about this wedding, the kids themselves did not look pleased either. But Corlys and Rhaenys are kind of tied to Team Daemyra by default through the grandkids. I'm reminded of how some rhaegar apologists insist elia must have approved of his eloping with lyanna (tho show!oberyn says he left her for another woman) bc the martells fought for rhaegar and later wanted a targ restoration, ignoring that they still had an obvious tie to the regime through elia's children, who were under direct threat as soon as rhaegar died. (or that dany and viserys had nothing to do with elia's marriage troubles or that young griff's about to enter the mix professing to be elia's own son.)
the real timing i'm wondering about is the sex on the beach after rhaenyra gave birth last ep. i, thankfully, have never given birth and never intend to, but i understand there'd be some time before sex would be comfortable again. (then again i also don't get how they weren't covered in sand afterwards, so....)
i appreciated all the worldbuilding in the valyrian-style wedding and the velaryon funeral. we had valyrian prayers, traditional wedding robes and bloodletting by dragonglass(?) with blood drinking(?). the funeral reminded me of a fancier version of balon's funeral on got, tho still not as cool as a tully burning-boat funeral. (say what you like, the tullys are the only fam to get a viking-style send-off).
minor detail, but i think they dropped the idea of daemon's daughters being twins as there's a noticeable size difference and the actresses are unrelated. unlike the lannister bros both being torstein from vikings/ser hugh of the vale and the kg twins arryk and erryk (mentioned by sansa in asoiaf) who are played by real twins, according to imdb. makes sense that three sets of twins would be too many. grrm kinda throws them in a bit too liberally tbh, esp for a world with pre-modern medicine.
i think there's another small time jump btwn eps 8 and 9 bc aegon has to have his kids before viserys dies. those sons need to exist for blood and cheese in s2.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
I thought the episode felt a bit rushed. I only read Fire & Blood once, but I don't remember ALL of that shit happening back to back. it just felt like a lot.
It's definitely paced differently. The Knight of Kisses death was a bit less direct and more of a case of did Cole do it deliberately or not, but here I guess he definitely did it on purpose.
Fire and Blood is a historical work though, based on accounts compiled years later. I suppose you could look at it as what was claimed to have happened vs what actually happened. The only thing I don't get is why they had the wedding at the feast, like an hour after a man was killed.
the least they could have done was clean up the blood first. i guess nobody was in the mood for seven days of festivities anymore, and maybe viserys just wanted to get rhaenyra locked down after seeing her flirt with daemon again.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Sept 22, 2022 21:23:40 GMT
there's two scenes up with the new rhaenyra and alicent, one for each of them.
there are people out there trying to use these characters as proxies to revive the sansa vs. dany fandom wars so i can't wait for it to be clear this story is cersei vs. dany instead.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
And lastly I can't express how much I laughed at Lyonel's nod to Harwin, apparently giving the signal to start whaling on random people on the way to save Rhaenyra. I love the idea of them planning for this exact scenario.
it reminded me of cat signaling to robb to carry arya to bed in the winterfell feast, only, y'know very different circumstances of food fight vs. brawl. i bet their only real surprise was daemon not being the one to start shit. altho he was about to mack on rhaenyra before the scream went off. dude must be pissed that alicent upstaged his entrance and he failed to steal the bride away after her groom's boyfriend was murdered.
also, re: daemon's dick problems, forgot to say that "i knew you couldn't finish" was def a double entendre.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
Will we ever have a wedding with no deaths in the ASOIAF universe???
lysafinger's wedding only managed to kill sansa's sleep as she listened to her aunt's moans. tyrion/sansa only had him threaten to geld joffrey and joffers threaten to rape sansa, while ramsay's wedding was just rape. oh, and tommen/margaery were fine bc cersei restrained herself from killing the tyrells until later. (i know this was a rhetorical question but i wanted to count them.)
So - wonder how Alicent will use Cole. She had truly become her father's daughter, and although everything Otto has told his daughter is smart and true if ambition is the goal (and very few of the characters in HOTD are not) I do not like his manipulation of Viserys and of circumstances - all circumstances. My hope is that Alicent from here on will be the Alicent in the green dress, but I hope that doesn't also mean she becomes conniving. Small chance of avoiding that. This is Martin's work, after all, and he's so good at drawing out the best and the worst in every character.
nah, as a cersei fangirl, i, for one, can't wait to see alicent go full mean queen. olivia cooke should eat that up. (tho i only know her from thoroughbreds where anya taylor-joy had the more alicent-like character.) v disappointed we did not actually have a confrontation btwn young alicent and rhaenyra. i wanted to see their final break-up after the near reconciliation last week.
An article I read in The New York Times raised the question of whether or not Daemon is impotent. That had never crossed my mind, but the article cited the fact that he and Rhea had no children and that he pulled away when he and Rhaenyra 'almost coupled'. I'd thought that was because he had a sudden attack of conscience, but I'm leaning towards the NYT's take on it.
daemon's erectile dysfunction first came up (heh) in the pilot when he's fucking mysaria then pulls out limp to hide under a blankie. in the inside-the-ep for 1.04 they suggest he did lose his boner from an attack of conscience when rhaenyra turns around and he has to look her in the eyes. (i wouldn't want to philosophize about sex positons but got already did with dany's sex ed by doreah where she basically says being taken from behind is the whore's position and love comes in at the eyes.) daemon slammed the wall when he abandoned rhaenyra and then got black-out drunk so he clearly was not happy about what happened.
i also think he and his wife just hated each other and he was prob dissatisfied he had to marry someone unrelated to him.
what a sandor clegane move from ser harwin.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
bro, i was gonna say, are you so much a stannis fan that shireen's burning didn't make you sick?
It's only been two days, but since I said that I've been thinking nonstop about Game of Thrones' worst/shocking moments, to the point that I've even been reading the wikipedia summaries of older episodes. And it turns out my memory is not as good as I thought it was! There is actually a worrying amount of that show that I've forgotten, considering how much time I 'devoted' to it while it was running.
honestly, that's probably a good thing. i'm glad my memories are starting to fade but i still have knowledge of all the rape and torture and the shireen burning.
i feel like the difference a lot of that on got was there to shock and not always filmed in the most tasteful manner, just "ooo look how horrible this world is, be glad you don't live there!". whereas so far in hot d every uncomfortable scene has a clear purpose and i think tptb are aware of how these themes of gender issues still very much resonate in the modern world. obvs this was filmed before the repeal of roe v. wade and is not an american production, but the scenes of aemma being c-sectioned without her consent or even the truth from viserys and rhaenyra getting sent plan t from viserys while alicent is the dutiful babymaker feel very relevant when control over reproduction and sexuality are still very much battles to be fought.
Ned always said that the man who passes the sentence should swing the blade, though he never took any joy in the duty. But I would, oh, yes.
Just from the sex scenes my instinct told me the director was a woman, and I was right.
It may sound silly, but there is usually a very clear difference in how romance/sex scenes are handled and filmed when a woman is directing. They tend to feel more intimate and sensual rather than, you know, two women fingering each other while a character explains the plot.
they also have an intimacy coordinator which got never did. all 3 scenes were from the female character's pov and the alicent/viserys one was most uncomfortable but very different from the tits-jiggling painful early dany/drogo sex scenes which we know made emilia uncomfortable. (tho i remember michelle mclaren did the tits-jiggling rape scenes at craster's keep so maybe it's the right female director and the right showrunners.)
***Actually after thinking about it for a bit, that's not the case. There's plenty of stuff in GoT that made me uncomfortable, there's just less of it in the later seasons (6-8) so it's not at the front of my mind. I do still think there's an increase in the frequency of these moments in HotD though.
bro, i was gonna say, are you so much a stannis fan that shireen's burning didn't make you sick?
Laughed my ass off at the Bracken/Blackwood exchange.
there's also a frey and a tully in the line of bacholerette contestants, i believe. now i just need a tully identified by muppet first name. (there was a tully knight in the line daemon rode past before choosing otto's son in the tourney, but i didn't catch that on first watch.) eta: i think it was just the mooton salmon in this ep, actually.
the blackwood kid was the mvp of the ep, disappointed in rhaenyra for liking the bracken heckler. tho we know she has assholes from her crush on daemon.