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Post by Father of Dragons on Oct 3, 2022 14:22:21 GMT
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Post by Enid on Oct 3, 2022 14:48:12 GMT
Episode was good, Aemond claiming Vhagar was really well done, as well as the fight between the kids and later Alicent and Rhaenyra, but the pace still feels way too fast. They are really cramming a lot of staff
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 3, 2022 16:48:39 GMT
Aemond is totally the new Olly. I wanted to punch that kid in the face (then I felt bad watching the BTS after the episode because that actor seems to really dig his role  ) I liked the change in Laenor's story with him getting to run off with his lover. I'm with Enid in that they are cramming a lot of stuff in here really quickly. still enjoying it though. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 4, 2022 0:42:36 GMT
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Post by Father of Dragons on Oct 4, 2022 20:26:53 GMT
I thought most of this was really solid but I swear the whole "Laenor should die" plot begins and ends in the last 3-4 minutes of the episode. That should've been given more time. Likewise Otto's return is treated very casually - there should have been some kind of scene between him and Viserys, but I don't think they even interacted at all in the episode. I think it's becoming clear that they really want the Dance to have begun by the end of the season, so I'm wondering if the pacing issues would be solved by more episodes or longer episodes. Regardless the wake, the dragonriding and the fallout from the kids' fight were all really fantastic scenes. If I'm honest I think the 'family meeting' is possibly my favourite scene so far; great performances all round. Next episode Should be the last time jump if the preview is any indication. I hope they find a way to mention Corlys and Rhaenys' reaction to Daemon/Rhaenyra moving on and getting married about a day after Laena's funeral and Leanor's death. (I suppose there's nothing specifying that the wedding was so immediate, but that was definitely my impression.) |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 5, 2022 1:48:57 GMT
I hope they find a way to mention Corlys and Rhaenys' reaction to Daemon/Rhaenyra moving on and getting married about a day after Laena's funeral and Leanor's death. (I suppose there's nothing specifying that the wedding was so immediate, but that was definitely my impression.) Luke's nose appeared healed so I guess it was enough time for that, at least. But, yeah, idt anyone will be happy about this wedding, the kids themselves did not look pleased either. But Corlys and Rhaenys are kind of tied to Team Daemyra by default through the grandkids. I'm reminded of how some rhaegar apologists insist elia must have approved of his eloping with lyanna (tho show!oberyn says he left her for another woman) bc the martells fought for rhaegar and later wanted a targ restoration, ignoring that they still had an obvious tie to the regime through elia's children, who were under direct threat as soon as rhaegar died. (or that dany and viserys had nothing to do with elia's marriage troubles or that young griff's about to enter the mix professing to be elia's own son.) the real timing i'm wondering about is the sex on the beach after rhaenyra gave birth last ep. i, thankfully, have never given birth and never intend to, but i understand there'd be some time before sex would be comfortable again. (then again i also don't get how they weren't covered in sand afterwards, so....) i appreciated all the worldbuilding in the valyrian-style wedding and the velaryon funeral. we had valyrian prayers, traditional wedding robes and bloodletting by dragonglass(?) with blood drinking(?). the funeral reminded me of a fancier version of balon's funeral on got, tho still not as cool as a tully burning-boat funeral. (say what you like, the tullys are the only fam to get a viking-style send-off). minor detail, but i think they dropped the idea of daemon's daughters being twins as there's a noticeable size difference and the actresses are unrelated. unlike the lannister bros both being torstein from vikings/ser hugh of the vale and the kg twins arryk and erryk (mentioned by sansa in asoiaf) who are played by real twins, according to imdb. makes sense that three sets of twins would be too many. grrm kinda throws them in a bit too liberally tbh, esp for a world with pre-modern medicine. i think there's another small time jump btwn eps 8 and 9 bc aegon has to have his kids before viserys dies. those sons need to exist for blood and cheese in s2. |
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Post by kingeomer on Oct 5, 2022 10:54:05 GMT
What I liked:
Aemond flying Vhager
The confrontation between the kids
The confrontation between Rhaenyra and Alicent
Larys Strong offering his “services” to Alicent again
Nagging questions:
Why didn’t Laenor and Rhaenyra try to give it a good effort to have some true born children? I get that their coupling was joyless (so was hers and Daemon’s) but knowing that she needs to have heirs. I just don’t understand either of their mindsets here.
Poor Corlys and Rhaenyres thinking both of their children are dead. Hope they never go across the narrow sea.
Does Laenor being alive mess up succession?
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 6, 2022 1:53:49 GMT
I hope they find a way to mention Corlys and Rhaenys' reaction to Daemon/Rhaenyra moving on and getting married about a day after Laena's funeral and Leanor's death. (I suppose there's nothing specifying that the wedding was so immediate, but that was definitely my impression.) the real timing i'm wondering about is the sex on the beach after rhaenyra gave birth last ep. i, thankfully, have never given birth and never intend to, but i understand there'd be some time before sex would be comfortable again. (then again i also don't get how they weren't covered in sand afterwards, so....) lmao I love that you brought this up. I hope the mandatory 6 weeks passed because otherwise...ouch. Nagging questions: Why didn’t Laenor and Rhaenyra try to give it a good effort to have some true born children? I get that their coupling was joyless (so was hers and Daemon’s) but knowing that she needs to have heirs. I just don’t understand either of their mindsets here. This. Like, bring another dude into the bedroom or find a Westrosi turkey baster. They could've tried harder. |
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Post by Enid on Oct 6, 2022 16:58:00 GMT
To be fair we don't know how long they tried before giving up, IIRC they never said exactly how old Jace is. Maybe they tried a handful of times, maybe they tried for months and nothing. Could be that Laenor can't have biological children.
It just sucks because Laenor clearly didn't care he was not the biological father, Corlys doesn't either. Jace, Luke and Joffrey's claim to the throne comes from Rhaenyra, they are her heirs no matter what.
Main issue should be whether Luke gets to inherit Driftmark. Laenor and Corlys have no problem with him being the heir,Rhaenys does but at the end of the day is not her choice. It's like Catelyn trying to convince Robb to not legitimize Jon and name him heir pre-RW, she made her case, Robb may have listened to her or not (most likely he didn't), but it was out of her control.
And Vaemond may care about Velaryon blood and whatnot, but he is also looking for himself. Even without Luke, Baela and Rhaela come first.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Oct 6, 2022 21:25:58 GMT
I loved the moment between Rhaenyra and Laenor where it was made so clear that they genuinely cared for one another. It would've been an easy choice to write them as apathetic and uncaring of each other but I'm so glad they didn't take that route. Children aside, it seemed like a pretty healthy relationship (by ASOIAF standards anyway). It's a shame we didn't get to see more between him and his sons because from what little we did see that also came across quite sweet. And I would've been especially interested to see his reaction to Rhaenyra's plan to fake his death. Wouldn't be surprised if we never see him again, but maybe they've got a plan for his character further down the line. It just sucks because Laenor clearly didn't care he was not the biological father, Corlys doesn't either. Jace, Luke and Joffrey's claim to the throne comes from Rhaenyra, they are her heirs no matter what. Exactly! Driftmark is a valid concern but I see so often the idea online that Rhaenyra shouldn't have been queen because she fathered three bastards, and in particular lots of comparisons to Cersei and her kids, but like.. she's the heir? In this feudal system it's her blood that matters. Joffrey wasn't Robert's son (and obviously had many more issues as to why he shouldn't be king) but it'd be pretty hard to say that Jace isn't Rhaenyra's. And them being bastards doesn't have to mean anything if the monarch decides to legitimise them.
Plus the show has made the Hightower's scheming very blatant - they've been openly pushing for Aegon to be king since he was 3 (Otto's brother declared him "Second of His Name" in ep3), long before Rhaenyra's kids were around. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 11, 2022 12:07:54 GMT
agreed about rhaenyra's claim to the throne, tho worth noting corlys overlooking luke's paternity is not quite the same as laenor doing it. he sounded pretty resigned when saying history remembers names, not blood. he's not going to out his son as a cuckold and give up any chance of a velaryon-targ king or the next lord of driftmark being a prince, and he prob does care for those boys, but that's doesn't mean he wouldn't prefer an heir and a future king who look like him. rhaenys had a point that it is ambition driving him. and she is advocating for her granddaughters whose mother (at least in the text) was the firstborn sibling, and certainly baela is older than luke, so not quite the same as cat arguing for some vale rando over jon.
corlys: i'm all for female inheritance rights as long as the women are closely related to me. my wife should've been queen! my wife should've been queen! my wife should've been queen!
also corlys: no, i can't have my granddaughter as my heiress bc she has my blood but not my surname and i'd rather settle for the other way around. (jace and luke kind of have the opposite problem from jon snow who had ned's blood but not his name.)
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Post by izzue on Oct 17, 2022 3:10:14 GMT
I agree re Rhaenyra and Laenor. Best marriage, I thought. When Laenor said he wished he were different, Rhaenyra said she didn’t wish it. They had respect for one another.
Also liked Coryls and Rharnys marriage.
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