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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 21, 2015 0:45:08 GMT
I noticed that Hizdahr disappeared during the riot. You see him standing next to Daario and then he isn't in the shot when Dany is escorted away. It probably doesn't really mean much, but could it be possible that he sent some signal to the Sons of the Harpy. The former slaves started the riot, no? After the...hissing.... ... ... *ahem* Pardon. After the hissing, one of them throws a rock at the Masters and instigates the riot, unless I am mistaken? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 0:53:51 GMT
The former slaves started the riot, no? After the...hissing.... ... ... *ahem* Pardon. After the hissing, one of them throws a rock at the Masters and instigates the riot, unless I am mistaken? I know that, but I'm saying is it possible that Hizdahr went to the masters side during the riot. If he is revealed to be the Harpy, I think he might have ran off and told the masters that since she is more vulnerable they can start ripping her council apart. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 21, 2015 0:57:49 GMT
Ah, I get you. Possible, I suppose
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 3:47:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 8:06:40 GMT
For those who thought the Lord Commander election was rushed, the actor who played Denys Mallister still had a few scenes left to film when he died, so I'm wondering if that had something to do with it. That's probably the reason. Shame really, that scene had so much more potential. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 21, 2015 10:20:51 GMT
He reminds me of my dog <3
Oh my God what a cutie!  We get a still like this one:  But God forbid they release more stills of Stannis from that ep  Hopefully there will be one on the balcony from ep.3 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 12:06:51 GMT
Well, Lady Fevre Dream will be glad to see that AngryGoTFan is back in action--she was worried he'd finally cracked and gone over the edge.
And then we have this, one of the 'yay!' moments in the episode:
And then we have this!
So this is the good dragon CGI you were talking about. Now I see it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 17:46:59 GMT
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Post by boojam on Apr 22, 2015 0:07:40 GMT
And then we have this!
I like the way Drogon sniffs at her hand. Sniff sniff. Hi Mom! I'll write if I get work. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 0:38:10 GMT
When Stannis tells Jon, "Perhaps you should ask Davos how much mercy I show to lawbreakers. Show too much kindness, people won't fear you. If they don't fear you, they don't follow you." I'm not supporting Dany's decision to execute Mossador, but Stannis's words in some way represent what she did. She didn't show mercy to Mossador because he broke the law. However, people aren't going to fear Dany if she appears weaker and more vulnerable. I'm wondering if she is going to make better decisions or it will all just be a build up to Daznak's Pit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 1:08:20 GMT
^I agree, in theory, but for some reason I've given a lot of thought to that situation--specifically, in a 'what would/should I have done in that situation'--context. I think the big difference here between Dany and Stannis and their need to display power and firmness, is that the culture that Dany is now attempting to rule has been thrust from the only way of life they have ever known, (the Master is the law) into an entirely new and hitherto unimagined (and unimaginable) way of life (the law is the law). Its too much to absorb immediately, too much to even believe immediately. Sort of like us finding some lost tribe somewhere and trucking in modular homes, computers, microwaves and modern plumbing.
I think (if I were counseling Dany, ha!) the wise woman course would have been a grand speech in front of that crowd, have Mossador kneeling and bound just like she did, explain the new system, and that Mossador did a terrible thing, an inexcusable thing, a thing for which death is the punishment. Then explain that the Unsullied will be holding meetings in all the neighborhoods, announcing the new laws, the new way of life. And then, the big conclusion, say that because all this is new, this time, and only this one time, she will show mercy and Mossador is to be spared--but that such a mercy, a pardon for unlawful murder, will never happen again, and that the next man who commits unlawful murder and any after that will receive sure and certain death. That way, they would cheer her mercy, and more importantly, the next man to commit unlawful murder (and there would be a next time, it takes time to change a culture) and be sentenced to death, would seem 'just' to the people. They would say to one another that Mhysa was fair, kept her word, warned in advance. They'd respect it, I think.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 22, 2015 12:28:00 GMT
I support Dany's decision to execute Mossador. It's no good setting the slaves free, if she is simply going to allow them to swap places with the Masters and become the very brutes they have now escaped from. She has to show that Master and former Slaves are equal; and yes, that applies both ways. A former slaves' life is worth just as much as a Masters, but a Masters is also worth just as much as a former slaves. All are equal in the eyes of the law.
iheartseverus, the thing is she had told Mossador already that she would give the Harpy a trial and not execute him out of hand. He knew what he was doing was wrong, and contrary to Dany's wishes. Let's also not forget, he was inciting hatred and violence against the Masters too (daubing "kill the masters" on the wall in blood). While I can understand that, given his former slave status, Dany cannot allow her people to live in the past forever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 13:07:53 GMT
I also would have executed Mossador. It was an unlawful murder, against her orders. You can't get away with it by just saying: "Mhysa." The freed slaves were stupis. I am sure that if it had been a former master, they would have cheered loudly.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 22, 2015 19:00:31 GMT
Well I wouldn't say the freed slaves were stupid. Their reaction was understandable, if unfair. It's going to be difficult to change the dynamic between the masters and former slaves; the bad feeling between them won't disappear overnight
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 22, 2015 22:07:08 GMT
I expect the ratings to average out. 6.81 is still pretty good for a first showing of a show that had it's first 4 episodes leaked. |
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Post by sj4iy on Apr 22, 2015 22:55:55 GMT
I also would have executed Mossador. It was an unlawful murder, against her orders. You can't get away with it by just saying: "Mhysa." The freed slaves were stupis. I am sure that if it had been a former master, they would have cheered loudly. The problem with executing him is that she took the city by telling the slaves "Kill the Masters and I will free you". Now she turns it back around on them and says "If you kill the Masters, I will kill you". These aren't terribly enlightened people (slaves don't really understand politics or the law)...they don't understand how government works, and it will take years before they do. Basically, things are moving too fast and she went in there with no plans or intentions of staying. She tore down an entrenched infrastructure without anything to replace it, and it's all coming back on her. I really like Dany...but she's not politically minded. If she wants to rule, she needs a better grasp of politics, and she needs people around her that are adept at it. Executing a former slave who helped her win her conquest of Mereen in front of thousands of slaves wasn't politically smart. No, she didn't have good choices either way, but she that illustrates why she needs help. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 8:15:37 GMT
Well, executing Mossador was right. She wants to balance the nobles and the ex-slaves and treat them equally as citizens of Mereen. "Law is law" sounds like something Stannis would say. Iheartseverus, I'm afraid that might now work. Okay, let's think about it. Mossador has been pardoned and she says that the next unlawful murder will be punished. The masters would think that that's extremely unfair, since a murder goes unpunished. Like Dany said law is law and there should be no exceptions. Let's imagine that after Dany's new orders, an ex-slave kills a noble again and this time Dany would execute him/her. The ex-slaves would do the same thing as they did when Mossador was executed and start throwing rocks and riot. It will take longer than that to adjust to the system. The execution was just, but perhaps not wise. What would have Tywin done in this case? |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 23, 2015 8:40:47 GMT
Well, executing Mossador was right. She wants to balance the nobles and the ex-slaves and treat them equally as citizens of Mereen. "Law is law" sounds like something Stannis would say. Iheartseverus, I'm afraid that might now work. Okay, let's think about it. Mossador has been pardoned and she says that the next unlawful murder will be punished. The masters would think that that's extremely unfair, since a murder goes unpunished. Like Dany said law is law and there should be no exceptions. Let's imagine that after Dany's new orders, an ex-slave kills a noble again and this time Dany would execute him/her. The ex-slaves would do the same thing as they did when Mossador was executed and start throwing rocks and riot. It will take longer than that to adjust to the system. The execution was just, but perhaps not wise. What would have Tywin done in this case? Tywin would have never given Mossador the chance to kill the master, because he would've executed the master the moment he was captured and he would've displayed his corpse as a warning. If for some reason he decided to deal with the master like Dany did, Tywin would've killed Mossador and silence the crowd by threatening to do the same to them if they don't shut up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 9:48:46 GMT
Well, executing Mossador was right. She wants to balance the nobles and the ex-slaves and treat them equally as citizens of Mereen. "Law is law" sounds like something Stannis would say. Iheartseverus, I'm afraid that might now work. Okay, let's think about it. Mossador has been pardoned and she says that the next unlawful murder will be punished. The masters would think that that's extremely unfair, since a murder goes unpunished. Like Dany said law is law and there should be no exceptions. Let's imagine that after Dany's new orders, an ex-slave kills a noble again and this time Dany would execute him/her. The ex-slaves would do the same thing as they did when Mossador was executed and start throwing rocks and riot. It will take longer than that to adjust to the system. The execution was just, but perhaps not wise. What would have Tywin done in this case? Tywin would have never given Mossador the chance to kill the master, because he would've executed the master the moment he was captured and he would've displayed his corpse as a warning. If for some reason he decided to deal with the master like Dany did, Tywin would've killed Mossador and silence the crowd by threatening to do the same to them if they don't shut up. Very true. Dany wanted to be a fair and just ruler and give a fair trial. Tywin wasn't just, but he was a hell of a ruler. |
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