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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 3:16:33 GMT
I thought the Night Lands had some good moments, like Theon's arrival on Pyke, Salladhor Saan's debut and Janos Slynt sent to the Wall. The only bad scenes were Jon's and Dany's, while the others were a bit meh. The biggest problem of the episode is that there were too many storylines. It was boring, but I still think this last one was worse. It's hard to say which was the worst episode of the whole show. 506 is your least favorite? It might be, I'm not sure yet, but it's certainly one of my least favorites. I can't think of any actual bad episode, though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 3:33:01 GMT
I would say my 10 least favorite episodes of the series are:
103 (Lord Snow)
201 (The North Remembers)
202 (The Night Lands)
205 (The Ghost of Harrenhal)
208 (The Prince of Winterfell)
302 (Dark Wings, Dark Words)
303 (Walk of Punishment)
307 (The Bear and the Maiden Fair)
405 (First of His Name)
506 (Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken)
But as far as the worst, I can't really choose. The Sansa and Ramsay scene was shot tastefully even though it was disturbing and a controversial deviation, but people saying they're quitting the show when there are still 4 episodes left makes me wonder if they are still going to secretly watch them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 3:51:11 GMT
I would say my 10 least favorite episodes of the series are: 103 (Lord Snow) 202 (The Night Lands) 205 (The Ghost of Harrenhal) 208 (The Prince of Winterfell) 302 (Dark Wings, Dark Words) 303 (Walk of Punishment) 306 (The Climb) 307 (The Bear and the Maiden Fair) 405 (First of His Name) 506 (Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken) But as far as the worst, I can't really choose. The Sansa and Ramsay scene was shot tastefully even though it was disturbing and a controversial deviation, but people saying they're quitting the show when there are still 4 episodes left makes me wonder if they are still going to secretly watch them. Almost half of Season 3 is in that list! |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 3:55:25 GMT
Almost half of Season 3 is in that list! Yeah I know, but then 304 (And Now His Watch Is Ended), 305 (Kissed by Fire), and 309 (The Rains of Castamere) are in My Top 10 Favorite episodes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 7:57:13 GMT
King Tommen, that article was fantastic. It changed some of my opinions.
Some ultafeminists are saying that HBO has a war on women and that D&D use rape as a plot device. Jeyne Poole was only created to be raped & sexually tortured.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 9:31:43 GMT
As was Eroeh, and Lollys. It's happened a few times in the books. But people don't focus on the negative when they talk about the books, or they conveniently forget those moments.
As for the worst episode of the show:
1x04 - Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things. I found it an extremely clunky hour, saved by a great moment at the end.
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 12:17:18 GMT
King Tommen, that article was fantastic. It changed some of my opinions. Some ultafeminists are saying that HBO has a war on women and that D&D use rape as a plot device. Jeyne Poole was only created to be raped & sexually tortured. I've seen some of them wondering if D&D really aren't rapists in real life, that only actual rapists would come up with the things they do in the show  |
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Post by Enid on May 21, 2015 12:20:33 GMT
What must they think of GRRM then...
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Post by sj4iy on May 21, 2015 12:26:28 GMT
Honest, I couldn't pick my least favorite episodes...they rather blend together after a while. And they no doubt would hinge not on how bad the episode actually was, but how bad my favorite storylines were in that episode.
So, really, it wouldn't be remotely objective.
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Post by janicia on May 21, 2015 12:34:12 GMT
I think it makes more sense to pick least favorite scenes or maybe story arcs than episodes, since each episode contains so much different stuff. There has never been an episode that I didn't largely enjoy, never been one I wouldn't rewatch. But there are scenes I don't care to rewatch. Episodes should probably be judged more on their construction rather than for containing a bad scene or not containing any great scenes.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:19:11 GMT
What must they think of GRRM then... Nothing, GRRM is a saint in these circles |
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 16:24:55 GMT
What must they think of GRRM then... Nothing, GRRM is a saint in these circles Yeah, but GRRM's version is nuanced and artistically represents the grieving disturbance of the human emotional value to a deep understanding of the connotations of the medieval society. Dumb & Dumber do it just for shock value. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 21, 2015 16:25:53 GMT
What must they think of GRRM then... Nothing, GRRM is a saint in these circles Seriously? Check if the Lord of the Rings fanbase has one bad think to say about Tolkien. Or Harry Potter regarding Rowling. In fact, Martin gets more critics by his series' fanbase than any other author of huge fantasy series I know. If you meant that people are more hard on their comments towards D&D than to Martin, that's another thing. Still, the LotR and Harry Potter movies also get a lot of negative criticism by the fans (and the LotR movies are, IMO, a true masterpiece, even with the adaptation flaws every movie will ever have). That is just natural. But no way GRRM is treated like a saint by his fans. (I don't mean to compare aSoIaF to LotR or to Harry Potter, it was just examples of popular fantasy series). |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:30:22 GMT
Nothing, GRRM is a saint in these circles Yeah, but GRRM's version is nuanced and artistically represents the grieving disturbance of the human emotional value to a deep understanding of the connotations of the medieval society. Dumb & Dumber do it just for shock value. Jeyne's story is so horrifying.. she's talking something about dogs and stuff when Reek & co are setting her free. Repulsive. |
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 16:32:17 GMT
Nothing, GRRM is a saint in these circles Seriously? Check if the Lord of the Rings fanbase has one bad think to say about Tolkien. Or Harry Potter regarding Rowling. In fact, Martin gets more critics by his series' fanbase than any other author of huge fantasy series I know. If you meant that people are more hard on their comments towards D&D than to Martin, that's another thing. Still, the LotR and Harry Potter movies also get a lot of negative criticism by the fans (and the LotR movies are, IMO, a true masterpiece, even with the adaptation flaws every movie will ever have). That is just natural. But no way GRRM is treated like a saint by his fans. (I don't mean to compare aSoIaF to LotR or to Harry Potter, it was just examples of popular fantasy series). GRRM is criticized more for this slow writing, though. The way some people treat him because of that and of his age is disgusting. AFFC and ADWD were heavily criticized at first, but now they are generally accepted as good books. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:33:05 GMT
Nothing, GRRM is a saint in these circles Seriously? Check if the Lord of the Rings fanbase has one bad think to say about Tolkien. Or Harry Potter regarding Rowling. In fact, Martin gets more critics by his series' fanbase than any other author of huge fantasy series I know. If you meant that people are more hard on their comments towards D&D than to Martin, that's another thing. Still, the LotR and Harry Potter movies also get a lot of negative criticism by the fans (and the LotR movies are, IMO, a true masterpiece, even with the adaptation flaws every movie will ever have). That is just natural. But no way GRRM is treated like a saint by his fans. (I don't mean to compare aSoIaF to LotR or to Harry Potter, it was just examples of popular fantasy series). Well yeah, saint is an exaggeration, especially if you compare the situation to Tolkien's or Rowling's. But GRRM is in a saint's position compared to D&D, they are slaughtered for every single little mistake. The fandom is calling for their heads and no one says anything about GRRM's horrible scenes. |
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 16:37:17 GMT
Seriously? Check if the Lord of the Rings fanbase has one bad think to say about Tolkien. Or Harry Potter regarding Rowling. In fact, Martin gets more critics by his series' fanbase than any other author of huge fantasy series I know. If you meant that people are more hard on their comments towards D&D than to Martin, that's another thing. Still, the LotR and Harry Potter movies also get a lot of negative criticism by the fans (and the LotR movies are, IMO, a true masterpiece, even with the adaptation flaws every movie will ever have). That is just natural. But no way GRRM is treated like a saint by his fans. (I don't mean to compare aSoIaF to LotR or to Harry Potter, it was just examples of popular fantasy series). Well yeah, saint is an exaggeration, especially if you compare the situation to Tolkien's or Rowling's. But GRRM is in a saint's position compared to D&D, they are slaughtered for every single little mistake. The fandom is calling for their heads and no one says anything about GRRM's horrible scenes. Yeah, D&D make a lot of mistakes, but the reaction of some readers is so overblown it pisses me off. I like ADWD but it has many narrative mistakes, like leaving many story arcs with no conclusion, such as Jaime's, Dany's and Stannis'. There's a difference between cliffhangers and incomplete narrative. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 21, 2015 16:37:18 GMT
Seriously? Check if the Lord of the Rings fanbase has one bad think to say about Tolkien. Or Harry Potter regarding Rowling. In fact, Martin gets more critics by his series' fanbase than any other author of huge fantasy series I know. If you meant that people are more hard on their comments towards D&D than to Martin, that's another thing. Still, the LotR and Harry Potter movies also get a lot of negative criticism by the fans (and the LotR movies are, IMO, a true masterpiece, even with the adaptation flaws every movie will ever have). That is just natural. But no way GRRM is treated like a saint by his fans. (I don't mean to compare aSoIaF to LotR or to Harry Potter, it was just examples of popular fantasy series). Well yeah, saint is an exaggeration, especially if you compare the situation to Tolkien's or Rowling's. But GRRM is in a saint's position compared to D&D, they are slaughtered for every single little mistake. The fandom is calling for their heads and no one says anything about GRRM's horrible scenes. Yeah, you got a point on that. Still, I think it's kind of a pattern as I said... The books readers are usually very critical about any adaptation. And it wasn't until this year that D&D started facing some serious negative critics from all sides. So one can say they were doing pretty well on that regard. Still, I see what you mean. It is true that GRRM has made some bad choices on his writing and we usually don't address any of them. Well, maybe when tWoW comes out and we do some sort of "Chapter-by-chapter" talking here, we will see more of that! I read the books when I didn't participate in any forums, so all my opinions were kept to myself and I kind of forgot all of them by now. Still, some things, like Daario's blue beard, Aeron's boring chapters and Sam's giant nipple scene will always be stuck in my memory. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 21, 2015 16:41:44 GMT
Well yeah, saint is an exaggeration, especially if you compare the situation to Tolkien's or Rowling's. But GRRM is in a saint's position compared to D&D, they are slaughtered for every single little mistake. The fandom is calling for their heads and no one says anything about GRRM's horrible scenes. Yeah, D&D make a lot of mistakes, but the reaction of some readers is so overblown it pisses me off. I like ADWD but it has many narrative mistakes, like leaving many story arcs with no conclusion, such as Jaime's, Dany's and Stannis'. There's a difference between cliffhangers and incomplete narrative. Ugh. This is truly painful. There are way too many incomplete endings on aDwD. Jaime's and Stannis' are the ones that hurt me the most, for sure. And come on, we haven't heard from Sansa for how long now? I know she will be in tWoW, but leaving her outside of aDwD as a whole was a mistake IMO. One other thing I consider bad on these two last books was how the concept of "POV character" changed. Before, we had these main characters who had a huge impact on the story. Then, we started having the likes of Areo Hotah and Arys Oakhart. I mean, introducing nice POVs like Arianne, Quentyn and Victarion is perfectly fine, but putting Arys Oakhart on the list hurts my OCD so badly  |
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Post by janicia on May 21, 2015 16:49:25 GMT
Seriously? Check if the Lord of the Rings fanbase has one bad think to say about Tolkien. Or Harry Potter regarding Rowling. In fact, Martin gets more critics by his series' fanbase than any other author of huge fantasy series I know. If you meant that people are more hard on their comments towards D&D than to Martin, that's another thing. Still, the LotR and Harry Potter movies also get a lot of negative criticism by the fans (and the LotR movies are, IMO, a true masterpiece, even with the adaptation flaws every movie will ever have). That is just natural. But no way GRRM is treated like a saint by his fans. (I don't mean to compare aSoIaF to LotR or to Harry Potter, it was just examples of popular fantasy series). Well yeah, saint is an exaggeration, especially if you compare the situation to Tolkien's or Rowling's. But GRRM is in a saint's position compared to D&D, they are slaughtered for every single little mistake. The fandom is calling for their heads and no one says anything about GRRM's horrible scenes. GRRM gets pilloried by readers for fat pink mast, "where do whores go", and darkstar, among other things. And the LS, Quentyn, Aeron, Aegon, and Dany arcs as well as all the travelogues are criticized heavily by significant portions of the readers as having a lot of bad material or being obnoxious on principle. But yeah, the show faces much heavier criticism because everything they do is a "pointless deviation" or "not how I imagined it". I'm not sure that the show is actually receiving harsher criticism this season than previously though. There was huge uproar about Jaime raping Cersei last season - a lot of people decided to pretend that scene just wasn't part of the show cannon. There was also a huge uproar about the lack of Stannis in 4x09 and a lot of hate about that episode that never seemed fair to me. But if you go back to ASOIAF forum, there are angry nitpicks from 1x01. Remember how vehemently people used to hate Ros, Talisa, and Shae? Everything from miscast to terrible acting to terrible writing to pointless character to scenekiller... most of the stuff we're hearing now about the sand snakes. The Pod brothel scene was heaped with ridicule in season 3, Dreadfort and Crasters keep were ridiculed in season 4, Qarth and Jon / Ygritte were loathed in season 2, Renly / Loras portrayals were disliked in season 1, as well as the famous sexposition scene in LF's brothel. Sansa's season 3 arc was heavily criticized for portraying her as a moron, while a bunch of people were incredibly unhappy with the Stannis portrayal until 4x10. Robb's arc always came under heavy criticism for having too much Talisa, not enough Catelyn, and not enough war. Littlefinger's jetpack and campaign to piss off all the important women in Westeros were grumped about in season 2. Unsullied generally dislike Bran and Sam. Those Arya / Tywin scenes from season 2 were criticized stridently as being out of character and moronic, even though they regularly show up on lists of "favorite character pairings". I guess I'm just saying that GoT has always been controversial and it is easy to forget the controversies from previous seasons. But now there are more critics that argue the controversies professionally. |
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