Star Wars Thread: Episode II

I got to see it again today

I didn't like it :/

I'm not sure how force powers allow you to survive the vacuum of space
i didn't understand the opening sequence and how the bombs had to 'drop' over the ship. There's no gravity..
I thought the Rey/Luke relationship was a waste of time mostly
I think Leia should have stayed behind on the ship and sacrificed herself. I didn't understand why the other Lady did that when Leia waking up should have resumed command of the ship.
I didn't like how Rose intercepted Finn trying to sacrifice himself, which would have saved many lives, when she was just saying how the rebels need to be selfless
The jokes in the movie felt out of place most times

I did enjoy the Kylo/Rey connection and i still mostly just love Rey.
I just didn't think the film was well structured or written. There was a few great moments like Luke's final fight with Kylo and Kylo choosing to kill Snoke. But we didn't get a lot of answers about Snoke himself.

Sorry you didn't like it, Becky.



It's kind of the fault of the movies that they never delve too deep into the Force mythology. They don't have to, but the Force as a fictional concept is a more multifaceted and complicated thing than what is shown in the movie series (where the Force is mostly used for mind tricks and to move things). In The Last Jedi, Luke even asks Rey what she knows of the Force, and she replies to him that it is a power the Jedi use to control people's minds and to make things float ... and he tells her that she's wrong.

Because to those who can hear, the Force opens up unlimited possibilities. There is this great quote by Kreia from Knights of the Old Republic, "Nothing is impossible with the Force." The Force flows through all living things, even those who are deaf to it, and if you know how to manipulate it, you can manipulate them as well. The Force is also a sentient thing, and it can guide and provide aid to those who are able to hear it.

In Knights of the Old Republic 2, there is a character whose body is so severly damaged, the Force is the only thing that is keeping him alive. His body would literally fall apart if it weren't for his strong will and his connection to the Force, but this is also what essentially makes him immortal. You could cut him, slash him, shoot him, and he wouldn't die, as long as his willpower is strong enough to keep him alive through the Force. Another character, Darth Nihilus, is a wound in the Force, a black spot in the galaxy where the Force cannot exist. This gives him the power to drain and devour the life energy of all living things, even entire planets.

Leia used the Force (perhaps instinctively, as she has never been properly trained in the new canon) to create a "Force bubble" around her, which kept her alive in the vaccum of space for a short while, until she was able to get to safety. We have never seen anything like this in the movies, but it's not unheard of in the exapnded universe, in fact, there is even a Wookieepedia article on Force bubbles. There are a million crazy ways the Force has been used in the expanded Star Wars mythology, Leia keeping herself alive in space for a few minutes is super tame in comparison.


Anyway, it's been a week since I saw The Last Jedi for the first time, and I still can's stop thinking about it. To me, it was almost perfect.

I think MakingStarWars.net is partially responsible for some expectations of fans. They detailed a report months ago about how the Knights of Ren showed up on Ach-To and how Luke kicked their asses. They also said Rey and Kylo faught each other there as well. I wonder if a lot of people built headcanons around that.

I'm not sure if they ever came out and said why they were wrong, bad intel or script changes.

Well they've kinda said from several interviews that Carrie would have had a bigger role in 9, so without drastically altering TLJ I don't see what else they could have done. Given that these two 2 movies have basically taken over the course of at most 2 weeks, there's definitely gonna be a time-jump between 8 and 9, so I'm guessing they'll just have her die offscreen. Sad as that is, the only other option is recasting and I can't see that going down well.

I would have liked to see more Holdo though - I was kinda disappointed that she died. That's probably my biggest complaint.

My god, that's the kind of talk that gets people killed!

Y'know, as more people on the board say they didn't like it, I feel like I need to be clear: my criticisms/rants on earlier pages were aimed at a very specific portion of really big Star Wars fans on Reddit, not on this board and not just in general. I'm referring to, for instance, the people who'll shower the prequels with praise but say these new movies have bad acting or bad writing. Even as someone who likes the prequels in spite of their many flaws, that irks me quite a lot. So I was just venting, not attacking anyone who didn't like the movie.

I honestly feel like very little happened. Finn and Rose (suuuper annoying) went on this whole mission where they ended up accomplishing nothing. Rey went to find Luke and couldn't bring him back, accomplishing nothing. Poe just got like a bajillion people killed. Kylo and Rey had this whole connection, but then they fought again and, surprise suprise, nothing came of it.

Rose was the worst and her and Finn kissing was dumb. Their mission was a waste of 45 minutes of screentime. Why bother with a Maz Kanata cameo? Why bother going to space-las-vegas just to not find the guy? Why go to that big ship to not get what you came for, then just flee? And then suddenly they're in love? No thanks

Leia's big Superman moment should have been part of the climax of the film, not 30 minutes in. Snoke should have been a bigger presence and have a backstory. The pacing was weird in parts. I think the movie was like an hour too long with tons of filler.

BUT I'm not a total negative Nancy. I really liked Leia's force moment. I thought those frog nun ladies were funny. I really liked the lady with the purple hair. I think that was the most visually appealing SW movie yet, too. The writing was bad but the directing and cinematography was WOW.