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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 19, 2017 1:15:07 GMT
I spammed the first thread enough for a second! Hooray!  |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Dec 19, 2017 1:18:26 GMT
Let the Wookie win.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 19, 2017 1:30:16 GMT
Just to continue the discussion... Keep in mind Daisy has said that she thought the parentage question was answered after TFA was released. I do believe the plan was always to make her a nobody, and JJ wanted to create a mystery about that to get people asking questions for 2 years. I don't think it's an idea that Rian came up with: Maz's lines about how her family are never coming back were enough for me (admittedly on like the 3rd viewing) to think her parents were nobodies. Plus I think it's just a better message to send: making your own destiny rather than having it totally predetermined by who your family are. In a way it contrasts with Kylo, who is so obsessed with his lineage that he wants (or wanted) to become Vader 2.0. Obviously now he's moved beyond that, but that's where he started, But saying all that, my friend told me that he expected to see Han and Leia in the mirror scene so what the hell do I know?  |
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 19, 2017 2:08:01 GMT
How much longer do we need spoiler tags? Re: Reylo I don't ship them romantically but I love their connection to each other. I think they're destined to balance the force out. Maybe they'll end IX as allies, training new force users together. But I don't think they need to be a couple to do that. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Dec 19, 2017 2:16:48 GMT
Until I see the movie.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Dec 19, 2017 5:05:02 GMT
If we can't agree on Rey's parentage, at least we can agree that Chewie ate that Porg, guilt or not.
Probably. |
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Post by Basil on Dec 19, 2017 13:01:46 GMT
I'm about to see the Movie.  |
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Post by lordcarson on Dec 19, 2017 14:02:48 GMT
Really enjoyed it, my friends did not and bitched the whole way home to the point that they both apologized to me later on. I can understand why people didn’t like it, but everyone complaining about TFA being a rehash are the same ones now saying this was too wild so fuck them. I’ll have more thoughts after work.
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 19, 2017 18:16:51 GMT
If we can't agree on Rey's parentage, at least we can agree that Chewie ate that Porg, guilt or not.
Probably. My kid straight up hates Chewbacca now. He look that really hard.  |
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Post by Basil on Dec 19, 2017 20:47:14 GMT
Okay, so, taking a deep breath ... I absolutely loved the movie. It may be my favourite Star Wars movie. Obviously this is coming from a very emotional place right now, as I just saw it a few hours ago and the emotions are still running high, so it may change in the future, but I really loved this one so much. I have no words to describe how deeply I was moved by the scene where Leia used the Force to pull herself back. My heart stopped as the bridge exploded and a sea of flames surrounded her before she was sucked out into space. This moment, that image is something I won't soon forget. Then, the silent dread of watching her drift through space with her eyes closed, seemingly dead. But then, slowly, Leia's theme fades in, her fingers move, and as she channels the Force, for a brief moment her theme becomes the Force theme. She opens her eyes and she starts floating through space towards the ship, ... and at that point, I'm weeping my heart out. I could say that this moment gave me goosebumps and that I cried, but that alone would be underselling how deeply it affected me on an emotional level, and how I will never forget the haunting imagery in this scene. The Last Jedi was Carrie Fisher's swan song, and they really gave Leia some beautiful moments, which I am very grateful for. Her performance was powerful and touching, she gave her character even more depth and gravitas. And that scene was a beautiful way to show Leia's strength, and to emphasize her strong connection to the Force, which allowed her to save herself from a seemingly hopeless situation. Another scene that managed to move me just as much was Luke's death. Really loved how this scene mirrors one of his first scenes in A New Hope. He watches the sunset, as he did so many years ago on Tatooine, and as the Force theme swells, Luke becomes one with the Force. I honestly cannot imagine a more fitting and dignified ending for this character. Fuck, I'm starting to tear up again as I'm typing this. After we saw the movie, Daniel, my brother and I went to a restaurant to eat dinner. We wanted to discuss the movie further, but I literally couldn't, every time I wanted to say something about Luke or Leia, my voice would start to tremble and I had to stop mid-sentence, because I was afraid I would just burst into uncontrollable tears. A few thoughts on other aspects of the movie. I've heard people complain about the humour, I honestly didn't think it was that bad, and whatever humour there was, I didn't find it distracting. There were some lighter moments and some funny creature designs, but in general, this was a very dark movie. Loved that they brought back Yoda briefly, and that they made him look like the puppet from Empire Strikes Back, rather than CGI Yoda from the prequels. Also that they made him slightly kooky. Unfortunately, the German dubbing for Yoda was not great, I don't think the voice was fitting at all, which took away from the moment a little bit. The German dubbing wasn't the greatest in general. The voice actors did what they could, but I feel like the translation was done very awkwardly. I can't wait for the BluRay to come out, so I can watch it in English. Loved Laura Dern. When the Star Cruiser was about to enter hyperspace, with the gigantic Star Destroyer right in front of it, that was some epic imagery right there. Everyone in the audience seemed to hold their breath during that moment. Really amazing stuff. RIP Admiral Ackbar  , I guess it was a trap after all. There is something so terribly bleak to see all these heroes of the Galactic civil war being killed off unceremoniously one after another. I think in terms of pacing, the movie was a bit slow at times. I don't know if the side story with Finn and Rose in the casino was necessary, a lot of that could have been cut. And the codebreaker character felt superfluous as well. That entire storyline did, to be honest. I didn't actively dislike it, and I like them both as characters, but if they had cut it down significantly, I would not miss it. It is a bit disappointing that we didn't get any real backstory on Snoke, but as a character, he was a very Voldemort-esque presence, very intimidating and kind of scary. I enjoyed his scenes, but I'm not sad that he's dead, Kylo is definitely a more interesting villain, and his connection to the heroes is what gives emotional weight to the conflict. I really liked the Rey / Kylo stuff. Personally, I'm not bothered at all that Rey turned out to not be a Skywalker or a Kenobi or whatever, just a random Force sensitive girl. The entire Star Wars movie series doesn't always have to revolve around the Skywalker family. When Luke explained to Force to her, that was a great moment. Hope continues to be one of the most prevalent themes in Star Wars, and I absolutely love it. It breaks my heart that this movie, and especially some of the scenes that moved me to tears, get so much hate on the internet, that people are viciously making fun of what I found to be extremely powerful moments. I just don't understand it. It makes me sad. "In Loving Memory of Our Princess, Carrie Fisher."  It's been almost a year.  |
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Post by lordcarson on Dec 19, 2017 20:56:40 GMT
tbh leia using the force was the worst part of the movie for me, she's never shown any ability to use it to that extent ever and it made no sense |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 19, 2017 20:58:50 GMT
See Basil I know how much you love Binary Sunset, so I had a really strong feeling that you'd like how Luke's goes out. That was the moment I had in my mind when you were mentioning strong emotions you got from Rogue One, because I myself was still going through those same emotions from that scene and the Luke/Leia reunion. I genuinely can't wait to see this movie again. There's so much of it I loved and a lot of the comments I've seen online have said that they enjoyed it even more the second time. I hope that's case for me as well. |
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Post by Basil on Dec 19, 2017 21:06:51 GMT
tbh leia using the force was the worst part of the movie for me, she's never shown any ability to use it to that extent ever and it made no sense It's been shown again and again that Leia is extremely Force sensitive. She's never been properly trained, but I honestly don't see in what way it doesn't make sense that she would be able to instinctively save herself by channeling the Force in a moment of desperation.
In the Force Awakens, Rey mind controls a Stormtrooper without ever been trained in the ways of the Force. |
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Dec 19, 2017 21:53:38 GMT
Kylo/Rey awesome. Finn/Rose awful |
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Post by day dreamer on Dec 19, 2017 21:57:06 GMT
Leia turning into Mary Poppins was my least favorite part. I think if they had done something like having her use the force to keep her self in place, like up against a door or something until someone pulled her back would'v looked less goofy. |
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Post by Basil on Dec 19, 2017 22:05:23 GMT
I honestly, genuinely cannot wrap my head around this. It was one of my favourite moments in all of Star Wars. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Dec 19, 2017 23:00:32 GMT
I'm really still not sure how I feel about that moment
I love the idea of Leia using the Force.
I love the idea of Leia using the Force to do something we've never seen before.
I love the idea of Leia using the Force to save herself from a situation where anybody else would die.
I did not love the execution, and that's probably my single issue with the scene. It could easily just be a camera angle thing for me to the point where it looked a little goofy. Maybe it's the John Williams music that's making me feel sentimental, I really do not know.
(Although I will say that lack of training really should not be an issue after the last movie, but whatever) |
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Post by lordcarson on Dec 19, 2017 23:00:33 GMT
tbh leia using the force was the worst part of the movie for me, she's never shown any ability to use it to that extent ever and it made no sense It's been shown again and again that Leia is extremely Force sensitive. She's never been properly trained, but I honestly don't see in what way it doesn't make sense that she would be able to instinctively save herself by channeling the Force in a moment of desperation.
In the Force Awakens, Rey mind controls a Stormtrooper without ever been trained in the ways of the Force. There's a very big difference between being Force sensitive and being able to wield it strong enough to pull yourself through space like that. She's never been able to use it for anything more than connecting with Luke and sensing major personal events like Han's death. There's never been any evidence for her being able to do anything more in any of the books or movies or comics or anything.
That being said, I'm glad you liked it! The best parts of the sequel trilogy is that there's a 30 year gap of mostly untouched time where anything you want to have happened can be assumed to have happened. I just think a moment as big as this needed some foreshadowing at some point because it just came too far out of nowhere. |
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Post by lordcarson on Dec 19, 2017 23:04:01 GMT
I'm really still not sure how I feel about that moment
I love the idea of Leia using the Force.
I love the idea of Leia using the Force to do something we've never seen before.
I love the idea of Leia using the Force to save herself from a situation where anybody else would die.
I did not love the execution, and that's probably my single issue with the scene. It could easily just be a camera angle thing for me to the point where it looked a little goofy. Maybe it's the John Williams music that's making me feel sentimental, I really do not know.
(Although I will say that lack of training really should not be an issue after the last movie, but whatever) I mostly agree with this. I would love Leia to use the Force, but I think it needs to be shown somewhere that she developed her abilities a little, maybe with Luke or something. And on the point of training and Rey and such, I don't find it surprising that Rey would know to try a mind trick since that's a major thing in the Jedi legends. Leia suddenly having the ability to pull herself through space isn't something she would think to try without having practiced it before. And I guess that basically sums up my big problem with the scene. I would just have liked a mention of it at some point. And if it comes out in a book later that she had been practicing, then I'll be able to look at this a little easier. |
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Post by Basil on Dec 19, 2017 23:23:23 GMT
Training can teach you how to control the Force and use it efficiently, but I don't think this means that you won't be able to use it at all if you don't have any. Plus, pulling and pushing things with your mind is one of the most basic things you can do by using the Force.
Leia is a Skywalker. She is the daughter of arguably one of the most powerful Force wielders in the history of the Galaxy. The Force is basically magic, but it is also a living thing and it can provide aid and guidance to those who can hear it. That alone is all the explanation one needs, in my opinion.
Anyway, I'm lowkey depressed now. Not because of you guys, but the amount of hate and vitriol I've seen thrown at that scene in the last hour ... it's too much. Holy shit. To me, the emotional payoff of that scene was so strong, I could never bring myself to nitpick it apart. |
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, I guess it was a trap after all. There is something so terribly bleak to see all these heroes of the Galactic civil war being killed off unceremoniously one after another. 
