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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 18, 2022 20:45:03 GMT
is everyone here excited for andor? Yes! I think what excites me most is that it really feels like this is a story they want to tell. They think they’ve got something good here and that confidence really comes across - unlike the more recent shows like Boba Fett or Kenobi which tended to feel more like obligations to me. Also it will probably be the first show that feels more like the movies - the trailers have really sold that cinematic feel with the scale and the cinematography. Those aspects were really lacking in their last two shows so I’m hopeful that this is a return to form. My biggest fear is that it maybe turns out a bit boring, but I'm remaining optimistic for now! |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Aug 18, 2022 20:56:13 GMT
is everyone here excited for andor? Also it will probably be the first show that feels more like the movies - the trailers have really sold that cinematic feel with the scale and the cinematography. Those aspects were really lacking in their last two shows so I’m hopeful that this is a return to form. i think actually shooting on location isn't of the disney+ whatchamacallit helps in that regard. i'm not even worried about it being boring because there's no way it can be worse than book of boba fett. altho i admit to a bias against boba fett as an overhyped character while i think rogue one was the best thing to come out of disney sw, i went into the show with an open mind wanting to be won over. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 18, 2022 21:14:13 GMT
Also it will probably be the first show that feels more like the movies - the trailers have really sold that cinematic feel with the scale and the cinematography. Those aspects were really lacking in their last two shows so I’m hopeful that this is a return to form. i think actually shooting on location isn't of the disney+ whatchamacallit helps in that regard. i'm not even worried about it being boring because there's no way it can be worse than book of boba fett. altho i admit to a bias against boba fett as an overhyped character while i think rogue one was the best thing to come out of disney sw, i went into the show with an open mind wanting to be won over. Yeah "The Volume". It's a really clever idea but man did they overdo it in Kenobi. Or at least the people in charge didn't know the best way of actually utilising that technology. You can see in a lot of scenes where the floor ends and the LED screen begins. I can't emphasise the relief I felt when I saw actual on-location stuff in the Andor trailers, it just looks so much better. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Aug 24, 2022 21:07:31 GMT
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Post by Father of Dragons on Oct 19, 2022 18:58:27 GMT
My biggest fear is that it maybe turns out a bit boring, but I'm remaining optimistic for now! Now that we're 7 out of 12 episodes through Andor I feel confident saying this fear hasn't come about. Andor is great, I'm loving it so much.
The full scene of the clip above and the sequences that follow it had me hooked on the screen in a way I've not been for Star Wars in a long time. And they outdo themselves later with an even more tense (and stunning) sequence in episode 6.
There's a level of technical competency in Andor which imo was last glimpsed in the Force Awakens/Rogue One/Last Jedi years, but even then not to this extent. Every aspect of this show feels so purposeful, especially in comparison to previous shows that took some of those aspects for granted.
It's got such a stellar cast as well. The big three (Luna, Skarsgard and especially O'Reilly) are so engaging to watch and the supporting cast as well all do a great job at making these characters feel like real people - particular praise to Alex Lawther and Ebon Moss-Bachrach. There's also a few GoT alumni who are always fun to see. I also just realised that Denise Gough who plays Meero is the voice of Yennefer in Witcher 3 - took me four weeks to work out why she was so familiar!
I'm throwing a lot of praise on this but just so I'm clear: compared to other tv shows, is Andor the best thing I've ever seen? No, of course not. But compared to other Star Wars tv shows (especially live-action), it's up there. I still think Star Wars has room for all kinds of stories; I'm not expecting or hoping that everything match the feel of Andor from now on, but this is definitely my favourite, and it'll be hard for me not to say "Well I liked it, but it's no Andor!" in future.
I thoroughly recommend it, especially if you've been feeling a bit let down with more recent Star Wars media like me.
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Post by Basil on Oct 19, 2022 21:50:52 GMT
Glad to hear it's good. Tbh, I'm feeling a little bit burned out on Disney Star Wars at the moment, especially after the mediocrity of Kenobi, but my interest is definitely piqued.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Oct 20, 2022 10:27:35 GMT
I suppose in fairness I should say that the release schedule hasn’t been great match for the pacing of the season. They released the first three at once, which was a great decision since just the first two (and especially the first) wouldn’t have been enough. Andor is mostly 3-episode arcs (I think I read it was 3-3-1-3-2) so those weeks inbetween a storyline beginning and ending can really drag.
I hope that we soon get to a point where streaming services can realise that their release options aren’t limited to dropping everything at once (meaning it can quickly leave public consciousness) or one per week (leading to a much slower pace). Every show is paced differently. I suppose that’s a necessity for maintaining their subscriber numbers but it’s still very disappointing.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Oct 22, 2022 6:30:10 GMT
I suppose in fairness I should say that the release schedule hasn’t been great match for the pacing of the season. They released the first three at once, which was a great decision since just the first two (and especially the first) wouldn’t have been enough. Andor is mostly 3-episode arcs (I think I read it was 3-3-1-3-2) so those weeks inbetween a storyline beginning and ending can really drag. yeah, i watched the first four eps weeks ago but i see you've gone past me now. ep 3 ends on such a great cliffhanger and then ep 4 slows right back down again and it's one ep at a time after 3. thinking of waiting til it's done and then binging through to fully get everything. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Nov 30, 2022 14:02:04 GMT
Feel pretty confident in saying that Andor is the best live-action Star Wars show, and in fact it probably shatters my rose-tinted glasses enough for me to say it's the best Star Wars show overall. I said before but the level of technical competency alone just blows the other shows out the water. When was the last time you heard someone compliment the dialogue in a Star Wars thing? Or specifically heard a good monologue in a Star Wars thing? I think most people would say 42 years ago for both. It's also so refreshing to have a Star Wars thing that seeks to make a point; to have an actual commentary beyond the world in which it's set. You can tell Lucas tried in the prequel era but lacked the skill and nuance to convey any message in an interesting or compelling way. My criticism again goes to the pacing; it's simply not made to be released week-to-week. Cassian's storylines themselves are great and you can see a clear structure, but the other characters feel like they have to fit within that structure rather than stand on their own as well. The characterisation is great though, it's an incredible cast and I'd say (mostly) everyone is utilised very well. On the whole I absolutely recommend this if you're looking for something different from Star Wars. I'm just glad it's already getting a season 2 because this would absolutely not get renewed if it wasn't beforehand, at most it's gotten half the audience of Boba and Kenobi, which is honestly so depressing  |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Dec 20, 2022 9:46:10 GMT
Cassian's storylines themselves are great and you can see a clear structure, but the other characters feel like they have to fit within that structure rather than stand on their own as well. The characterisation is great though, it's an incredible cast and I'd say (mostly) everyone is utilised very well. the ensemble nature of the cast did not always work for it, which i guess is something it had in common with rogue one and its pacing issues. cassian's plot was usually advanced in each ep but with the other chars it often felt like we were just checking in on them without real change yet. like i felt bad wanting mon mothma's plot with her daughter to end where it did, but what was even the point if it didn't? do you have any thoughts on cass's backstory being retconned from rogue one? not just the official homeworld but his vibes in the post-eadu fight with jyn where he def sounds like he's been a true believer for more than 5 years. now she's canonically the one with more rebel experience, having been raised by saw and being his best fighter by the time she was 16. and did you also watch tales of the jedi? i'm not as big a filoni fan as some of y'all but i liked the dooku eps and i think they work to explain his radicalization coming from true idealism so long as you take them as his pov only. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jan 9, 2023 0:30:48 GMT
do you have any thoughts on cass's backstory being retconned from rogue one? not just the official homeworld but his vibes in the post-eadu fight with jyn where he def sounds like he's been a true believer for more than 5 years. now she's canonically the one with more rebel experience, having been raised by saw and being his best fighter by the time she was 16. and did you also watch tales of the jedi? i'm not as big a filoni fan as some of y'all but i liked the dooku eps and i think they work to explain his radicalization coming from true idealism so long as you take them as his pov only. I’ll be honest, I didn't even realise that she's now technically been a rebel for longer. There's not even any room for interpretation given that his people on Kenari seemingly have never seen a blaster before the day he left, so the “I've been in this fight since was 6!” line is just not true. Maybe they’Il find some way of making that make sense. You could maybe argue that he's been in more of an organised struggle for longer (depending on how Luthen's operation goes in S2) since early Saw was a bit more sporadic than anything in Andor. It’ll be interesting to see if they address that at all in S2. I've not seen Tales of the Jedi. I was excited when it was announced/leaked - an animated show in the vein of clone wars but focusing on different Jedi throughout different time periods is such a compelling pitch - but when they later said it was 6 episodes and half of them were about Ahsoka I really lost interest. I love the character but over saturation is absolutely a thing. I do wonder if Filoni is just trying to keep the voice actor in work because I really don’t know how much more of her story you can tell, especially in that era. I’ve heard great things about the Dooku eps though so I’ll give it a shot at some point. |
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