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Post by kingeomer on Sept 9, 2017 17:02:14 GMT
The fact that multiple people predicted Littlefinger's death and nothing else this season shows you how fucking obvious it was. And the fact that some of them were spoiled in advance too. But yes, the show struggled to find a plot for LF. Once the Vale won the Battle of the Bastards, LF and company should have went back. By the time this season rolled around and he kept sticking around in WF and playing the Stark sisters against each other, his death was basically written in bright red lights. The thing about the Winterfell storyline is they had to dumb down three main characters and relegate another(Bran) to an emotionless plot device. Aside from Gillen's performance the entire thing was a disaster. And I defended Littlefinger/Sansa in season 5. I've defended so much shit over the past seven years but this was just terribly executed. I honestly think it's too little too late with Bran's magical powers. The show has kind of shook off a lot of the more magical elements, like Euron's horn, and his captured sorcerer's, a lot of the greenseer stuff (which is not really explained on the show at all), the wall's seals, Coldhands (who they just killed off instantly, which is one of my biggest gripes this series), Danaerys' prophecy dreams, Marwyn or some other lesser moments. Some were surely cut for time constraints or lack of a need, but some (particularly the Euron stuff) just felt like it had been dumbed down for the show. It feels like they want to avoid those elements for a fear that going overly fantastical would ostracize part of their audience. But I can't help but feel the Westeros of the show feels very dead in comparison to the books. There are parts of the world that seem to have nothing going on, or parts of it we never hear about. The world building has really tanked in the past 3 series which is really disappointing, at least to me. Like, why are Dorne not up in arms about the death of all their leaders? Why aren't the Reach concerned that their generation old ruling house just got deposed? Why aren't the Riverlords rebelling now that the Freys are dead and the Lannisters weakened? What the hell happened to all the houses in the Stormlands? Where did all the thousands of sellswords in the north disappear to? Where did Sallador Saan go? Why are Dorne fine that the Mountain (who confessed to his crimes) is still alive? Why did the sorcerer people from Qarth just stop pursuing Dany? Why aren't the Citidel bothered there is no Grand Maester? There are so many dropped plot points, that it's kind of silly. There are so many unanswered questions that any paying close attention can see that will never be answered so I've just started ignoring them and that's fine, but it doesn't really excuse it. 100% this. The show has dumbed down the magical elements or omitted them entirely. For example, Jon is brought back from death. Why? GRRM states that death is a HUGE change and part of the Lady Stoneheart character was to show that. Post resurrection, besides being a little more impulsive, Jon remains fundamentally unchanged. As much as we want to see Lady Stoneheart get her revenge, we also shudder at her methods and all consuming revenge, living with the knowledge that all Catelyn Stark wanted at the time of death is to be reunited with Ned. It's a sin we will not get Euron's magical horn, the sorcerers he has, greenseeing and even what holds the wall together. And the world building has suffered. Think about it, shouldn't Dorne be in open rebellion against the crown? Is the Reach just like, oh well, the Tyrells are dead we are team Lannister. And are they team Lannister after Cersei killed the Tyrells? Are they team Dany after she burnt the Tarlys? It's almost like if they could look back in retrospect, perhaps Dorne and the Tyrells shouldn't have been in the show.  I don't know...there just seem to be a lack of consequence to their plots. And the Riverlands, which had the most uproar in the show...first being decimated by the Mountain, then War of the 5 Kings, and then the Red Wedding...it's barely mentioned that someone just offed the whole Frey family? Where is Edmure? I know Tobias Menzies may not have been available to them but shouldn't there have been mention of what's going on there now? |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 9, 2017 17:17:03 GMT
It was mentioned in that video I posted a few days ago, but the writing for characters like LF and Varys has been quite dull or sometimes inconsistent in the last few seasons.
I still don't really understand why LF gave Sansa to the Boltons in the first place, and he has lacked a long-term plan since he killed Joffrey. And Varys has just been boring to me since he practically spelled out his motivations and plans to Tyrion in 501.
And I'm agreed on the lack of payoff for storylines which has created plotholes. I don't really take that into consideration episode-by-episode though, it's more of a problem of the season as a whole.
The Riverlands annoys me the most. There were four seasons of people walking through it, and now we're jumping from place to place as if it doesn't exist. It's back to that pacing issue, possibly done to cut costs as Davey suggests.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 9, 2017 17:30:34 GMT
LF gave Sansa to Roose Bolton just to create chaos. That's always been his M.O. Just plant the seeds of conflict and allow it to happen. Giving Sansa to the Boltons puts Roose Bolton and Cersei Lannister in conflict with each other, in addition to the pre-existing conflict between Stannis and Roose and Cersei. His plan was always to let Stannis and Roose battle each other, and then take out the victor with the Knights of the Vale, just like he told Cersei he would.
Idk it makes sense in my head.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 9, 2017 18:43:38 GMT
LF gave Sansa to Roose Bolton just to create chaos. That's always been his M.O. Just plant the seeds of conflict and allow it to happen. Giving Sansa to the Boltons puts Roose Bolton and Cersei Lannister in conflict with each other, in addition to the pre-existing conflict between Stannis and Roose and Cersei. His plan was always to let Stannis and Roose battle each other, and then take out the victor with the Knights of the Vale, just like he told Cersei he would. Idk it makes sense in my head. I get that, but why, when LF wants Sansa as his queen, would he just give her up so willingly? Why not just give him a random girl and say it's Sansa? It's a plan in which the only outcome was Sansa being pissed that she was sold off, and that's exactly what happened. A stupid plan. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 9, 2017 18:58:39 GMT
LF gave Sansa to Roose Bolton just to create chaos. That's always been his M.O. Just plant the seeds of conflict and allow it to happen. Giving Sansa to the Boltons puts Roose Bolton and Cersei Lannister in conflict with each other, in addition to the pre-existing conflict between Stannis and Roose and Cersei. His plan was always to let Stannis and Roose battle each other, and then take out the victor with the Knights of the Vale, just like he told Cersei he would. Idk it makes sense in my head. I get that, but why, when LF wants Sansa as his queen, would he just give her up so willingly? Why not just give him a random girl and say it's Sansa? It's a plan in which the only outcome was Sansa being pissed that she was sold off, and that's exactly what happened. A stupid plan. Bc Littlefinger is a sociopath lol. Even if he thinks he "loves" Sansa, he still isn't gonna treat her right. Look at Cat. He loved her, and he manipulated her and Lysa, tried to kill her son, conspired against Ned, and basically started the War of the Five Kings. I think the reason he couldn't just use any random girl is because marrying Ramsay wasn't supposed to be permanent, and his bride being Sansa Stark was important. Either Stannis was gonna destroy the Boltons and make Sansa Wardeness, or the Knights of the Vale were gonna take out the Boltons, or any other number of situations that could have spawned from the conflict LF started, they all depended on Sansa being Sansa. I think what's interesting is that LF doesn't really have a masterplan. He's just gonna start a fight, and see what happens. Create chaos, and climb up the ladder the emerges. In this case, set the Boltons and the Arryns and Lannisters and the Baratheons against each other and see what happens. Destabilize everyone else, so he can swoop in a take all the scraps. Season 7 was different. He was trying to reassert control in a world where he was becoming increasingly irrelevant. The Starks were back at Winterfell, the White Walkers were coming, and Daenerys Targaryen was in Westeros. Littlefinger really didn't factor into any of that, so he set to work on chipping away at the new regime. Get into Sansa's head, weasel up to Bran, turn Arya and Sansa against each other. By destabilizing the Stark unit, he grows more powerful. If things had gone according to plan, Sansa would have executed Arya, and LF would remain as Sansa's number one confidante/manipulator. Unlucky for him, this time Bran was around to "see" everything, so his scheme caught up to him. I thought it was all pretty good. |
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Post by boojam on Sept 9, 2017 20:32:16 GMT
The fact that multiple people predicted Littlefinger's death and nothing else this season shows you how fucking obvious it was. And the fact that some of them were spoiled in advance too. But yes, the show struggled to find a plot for LF. Once the Vale won the Battle of the Bastards, LF and company should have went back. By the time this season rolled around and he kept sticking around in WF and playing the Stark sisters against each other, his death was basically written in bright red lights. I honestly think it's too little too late with Bran's magical powers. The show has kind of shook off a lot of the more magical elements, like Euron's horn, and his captured sorcerer's, a lot of the greenseer stuff (which is not really explained on the show at all), the wall's seals, Coldhands (who they just killed off instantly, which is one of my biggest gripes this series), Danaerys' prophecy dreams, Marwyn or some other lesser moments. Some were surely cut for time constraints or lack of a need, but some (particularly the Euron stuff) just felt like it had been dumbed down for the show. It feels like they want to avoid those elements for a fear that going overly fantastical would ostracize part of their audience. But I can't help but feel the Westeros of the show feels very dead in comparison to the books. There are parts of the world that seem to have nothing going on, or parts of it we never hear about. The world building has really tanked in the past 3 series which is really disappointing, at least to me. Like, why are Dorne not up in arms about the death of all their leaders? Why aren't the Reach concerned that their generation old ruling house just got deposed? Why aren't the Riverlords rebelling now that the Freys are dead and the Lannisters weakened? What the hell happened to all the houses in the Stormlands? Where did all the thousands of sellswords in the north disappear to? Where did Sallador Saan go? Why are Dorne fine that the Mountain (who confessed to his crimes) is still alive? Why did the sorcerer people from Qarth just stop pursuing Dany? Why aren't the Citidel bothered there is no Grand Maester? There are so many dropped plot points, that it's kind of silly. There are so many unanswered questions that any paying close attention can see that will never be answered so I've just started ignoring them and that's fine, but it doesn't really excuse it. And the world building has suffered. Think about it, shouldn't Dorne be in open rebellion against the crown? Is the Reach just like, oh well, the Tyrells are dead we are team Lannister. And are they team Lannister after Cersei killed the Tyrells? Are they team Dany after she burnt the Tarlys? It's almost like if they could look back in retrospect, perhaps Dorne and the Tyrells shouldn't have been in the show. I don't know...there just seem to be a lack of consequence to their plots. Seems like a lack of internal logic. The reason the Crown was in check against the High Sparrow was because Faith Militant had won the masses. So now not only was the Faith Militant violently removed but the FAITH itself because of blowing up the Sept! That's not just the under classes but the middle classes and high born. The Crown would have been run out KL on a rail if a coherent narrative ensued. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 0:21:22 GMT
LF gave Sansa to Roose Bolton just to create chaos. That's always been his M.O. Just plant the seeds of conflict and allow it to happen. Giving Sansa to the Boltons puts Roose Bolton and Cersei Lannister in conflict with each other, in addition to the pre-existing conflict between Stannis and Roose and Cersei. His plan was always to let Stannis and Roose battle each other, and then take out the victor with the Knights of the Vale, just like he told Cersei he would. Idk it makes sense in my head. I get that, but why, when LF wants Sansa as his queen, would he just give her up so willingly? Why not just give him a random girl and say it's Sansa? It's a plan in which the only outcome was Sansa being pissed that she was sold off, and that's exactly what happened. A stupid plan. It doesn't make sense...or it wasn't the smartest plan, it's something the show did because they didn't have time. LF wants to be close to someone with power, in the books he's trying to get Sansa married to Harry the Heir so he can be in control of the Vale. It makes sense for him to arrange a marriage to someone of power, but it doesn't make sense for him to be so honest and actually bring Sansa Stark to marry Ramsay Bolton who he knew was a monster. I'm nearly 100% sure Sansa will fulfill the destiny of coming to the rescue of Jon in the battle of Winterfell just like in the show. Except instead of regressing her character, as the show had to do in seasons 5-6, Sansa will be as she is in Season 7 from Winds of Winter onwards in the books. Once she is in contact with family again i think she will feel safe and use the Northern Lords to get rid of LF. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Sept 10, 2017 0:35:27 GMT
It was mentioned in that video I posted a few days ago, but the writing for characters like LF and Varys has been quite dull or sometimes inconsistent in the last few seasons. I still don't really understand why LF gave Sansa to the Boltons in the first place, and he has lacked a long-term plan since he killed Joffrey. And Varys has just been boring to me since he practically spelled out his motivations and plans to Tyrion in 501. And I'm agreed on the lack of payoff for storylines which has created plotholes. I don't really take that into consideration episode-by-episode though, it's more of a problem of the season as a whole. The Riverlands annoys me the most. There were four seasons of people walking through it, and now we're jumping from place to place as if it doesn't exist. It's back to that pacing issue, possibly done to cut costs as Davey suggests. Well, Littlefinger explained it as him betting on Stannis, but S5 Stannis, even from the start (as much as I love Stannis) was doomed. He had no support in the North, an Army, comparably the same size as House Bolton, not to mention he would be sieging not outright fighting, and Winterfell is supposedly a very structurally secure castle so from the beginning Stannis was in a poor position so Littlefinger supporting him made no real sense. Plus Stannis would have no reason to trust Baelish. It was more a cheap way to get Sansa to Winterfell. Varys is an odd character since he just seemed to pop up everywhere in season 6. It seemed like the writers just placed Varys anywhere they needed him. Even is season 7 his reason for being there is very weak. He is for the people, yet he supported two rulers (Aerys and Viserys) who were explicitly bad for the people they ruled. Whether or not this was intentional is debatable, but his character suffers heavily from a lack of true direction, namely the story of him and Illyrio. He's just there. Honestly, the only places that ever truly mattered in the show are Winterfell, Kings Landing, the wall, and to a far lesser degree, Dragonstone. The other regions themselves are largely interchangeable. This may sound like nothing but complaints right now, so I will restate that I do like the show. I'm just addressing some issues. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Sept 10, 2017 0:40:04 GMT
LF gave Sansa to Roose Bolton just to create chaos. That's always been his M.O. Just plant the seeds of conflict and allow it to happen. Giving Sansa to the Boltons puts Roose Bolton and Cersei Lannister in conflict with each other, in addition to the pre-existing conflict between Stannis and Roose and Cersei. His plan was always to let Stannis and Roose battle each other, and then take out the victor with the Knights of the Vale, just like he told Cersei he would. Idk it makes sense in my head. Stannis didn't match on Winterfell to free Sansa. His rallying cry to the Northerners in the books was him fighting to free FArya but it was never really mentioned in the show that she was there. I never really got Roose's whole plan anyway. He wants to be King in the North (or so it's implied) but he doesn't state that so much as he states that he wants to rebel against the Lannisters, but his only real allies (the Freys and Baelish) are allies of the Lannisters, so it seems kind of dumb. IDK, season 5 was a mess, thats all I can really say. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 10, 2017 0:45:51 GMT
LF gave Sansa to Roose Bolton just to create chaos. That's always been his M.O. Just plant the seeds of conflict and allow it to happen. Giving Sansa to the Boltons puts Roose Bolton and Cersei Lannister in conflict with each other, in addition to the pre-existing conflict between Stannis and Roose and Cersei. His plan was always to let Stannis and Roose battle each other, and then take out the victor with the Knights of the Vale, just like he told Cersei he would. Idk it makes sense in my head. Stannis didn't match on Winterfell to free Sansa. His rallying cry to the Northerners in the books was him fighting to free FArya but it was never really mentioned in the show that she was there. I never really got Roose's whole plan anyway. He wants to be King in the North (or so it's implied) but he doesn't state that so much as he states that he wants to rebel against the Lannisters, but his only real allies (the Freys and Baelish) are allies of the Lannisters, so it seems kind of dumb. IDK, season 5 was a mess, thats all I can really say. Stannis didn't know she was there but LF said to Sansa when they talked in the crypts that when Stannis defeated the Boltons he would surely name Sansa Wardeness of the North. I think Roose didn't really respect Cersei at all, and since Tywin was dead, he really didn't give a fuck about the Lannisters anymore. As far as he was concerned, his partnership was with Tywin, not Cersei. Roose had his eyes on the North, and he knew that having a Stark in his family would make ruling the North exponentially easier. So he'd have his trophy Stark in the family, hopefully placating the North. He knew Cersei probably wouldn't be able to do shit about it. I thought the whole Bolton/Stark/Lannister/Baratheon thing needed to be explained better, but I do think it made sense. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 10, 2017 0:50:26 GMT
Well, Littlefinger explained it as him betting on Stannis, but S5 Stannis, even from the start (as much as I love Stannis) was doomed. He had no support in the North, an Army, comparably the same size as House Bolton, not to mention he would be sieging not outright fighting, and Winterfell is supposedly a very structurally secure castle so from the beginning Stannis was in a poor position so Littlefinger supporting him made no real sense. Plus Stannis would have no reason to trust Baelish. It was more a cheap way to get Sansa to Winterfell. Varys is an odd character since he just seemed to pop up everywhere in season 6. It seemed like the writers just placed Varys anywhere they needed him. Even is season 7 his reason for being there is very weak. He is for the people, yet he supported two rulers (Aerys and Viserys) who were explicitly bad for the people they ruled. Whether or not this was intentional is debatable, but his character suffers heavily from a lack of true direction, namely the story of him and Illyrio. He's just there. Honestly, the only places that ever truly mattered in the show are Winterfell, Kings Landing, the wall, and to a far lesser degree, Dragonstone. The other regions themselves are largely interchangeable. This may sound like nothing but complaints right now, so I will restate that I do like the show. I'm just addressing some issues.Oh of course! I honestly think that if any of us stopped liking the show, we'd stop watching it - at least I would anyway. I don't really want to be in a position where we are either endlessly praising the show whilst ignoring some of its shortcomings, or complaining about each and every single detail. I like the balance we've got here, and talking about these sorts of things (however minute) is necessary imo. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Sept 10, 2017 1:03:48 GMT
Stannis didn't match on Winterfell to free Sansa. His rallying cry to the Northerners in the books was him fighting to free FArya but it was never really mentioned in the show that she was there. I never really got Roose's whole plan anyway. He wants to be King in the North (or so it's implied) but he doesn't state that so much as he states that he wants to rebel against the Lannisters, but his only real allies (the Freys and Baelish) are allies of the Lannisters, so it seems kind of dumb. IDK, season 5 was a mess, thats all I can really say. Stannis didn't know she was there but LF said to Sansa when they talked in the crypts that when Stannis defeated the Boltons he would surely name Sansa Wardeness of the North. I think Roose didn't really respect Cersei at all, and since Tywin was dead, he really didn't give a fuck about the Lannisters anymore. As far as he was concerned, his partnership was with Tywin, not Cersei. Roose had his eyes on the North, and he knew that having a Stark in his family would make ruling the North exponentially easier. So he'd have his trophy Stark in the family, hopefully placating the North. He knew Cersei probably wouldn't be able to do shit about it. I thought the whole Bolton/Stark/Lannister/Baratheon thing needed to be explained better, but I do think it made sense. The thing is, Roose choose a terrible time to be an upstart. There were still Greyjoys in the North up until S6, Wildlings to the North and he was surrounded by houses who would happily see his head on a pike. I suppose he did have a rallying point in two places. One being Sansa, and two being defending against the Wildlings. But I agree with Father of Dragons on the Littlefinger part. Giving her to Roose or Ramsay doesn't really benefit him in any way. He would have a chance to do all the things he claims it would win him (such as making Sansa warden in the North or wiping out the victor of the battle of Winterfell with the vale Knights) regardless of where Sansa is. She was in a sense the most important asset he possessed. Giving her to the Boltons still seems pointless. |
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 10, 2017 12:58:43 GMT
It was mentioned in that video I posted a few days ago, but the writing for characters like LF and Varys has been quite dull or sometimes inconsistent in the last few seasons. I still don't really understand why LF gave Sansa to the Boltons in the first place, and he has lacked a long-term plan since he killed Joffrey. And Varys has just been boring to me since he practically spelled out his motivations and plans to Tyrion in 501. And I'm agreed on the lack of payoff for storylines which has created plotholes. I don't really take that into consideration episode-by-episode though, it's more of a problem of the season as a whole. The Riverlands annoys me the most. There were four seasons of people walking through it, and now we're jumping from place to place as if it doesn't exist. It's back to that pacing issue, possibly done to cut costs as Davey suggests. Well, Littlefinger explained it as him betting on Stannis, but S5 Stannis, even from the start (as much as I love Stannis) was doomed. He had no support in the North, an Army, comparably the same size as House Bolton, not to mention he would be sieging not outright fighting, and Winterfell is supposedly a very structurally secure castle so from the beginning Stannis was in a poor position so Littlefinger supporting him made no real sense. Plus Stannis would have no reason to trust Baelish. It was more a cheap way to get Sansa to Winterfell. Varys is an odd character since he just seemed to pop up everywhere in season 6. It seemed like the writers just placed Varys anywhere they needed him. Even is season 7 his reason for being there is very weak. He is for the people, yet he supported two rulers (Aerys and Viserys) who were explicitly bad for the people they ruled. Whether or not this was intentional is debatable, but his character suffers heavily from a lack of true direction, namely the story of him and Illyrio. He's just there. Honestly, the only places that ever truly mattered in the show are Winterfell, Kings Landing, the wall, and to a far lesser degree, Dragonstone. The other regions themselves are largely interchangeable. This may sound like nothing but complaints right now, so I will restate that I do like the show. I'm just addressing some issues.This. Please don't think that me pointing out shortcomings means I hate the show. It's just it's not perfect and I don't think there is anything wrong with constructive criticism and pointing out the things D&D dropped the ball on or simply just does not make sense. I.E. Marrying Sansa off to Ramsey seems very dumb, especially for Littlefinger. If he is hoping gain power with her at his side (throw out his claims of love, I don't think he understands what love really is and didn't really love Sansa or Cat) the last thing he should have done is convince her to marry into the family that is responsible for the betrayal and death of her mother and brother. If anything LF should have plotted with her on how to take the North back only to have their plans altered by the death of Stannis. If the show had given Sansa no reason to distrust or dislike LF (following this train of thought, he got her out of KL, saved her from being killed by Lysa, helped her get back Winterfell) when she was reunited with her siblings in season 7, having her be very conflicted by Arya's claims of not trusting him and maybe doubting the extent of Bran's powers might have made the WF plot of season 7 make more sense. LF gave Sansa to Roose Bolton just to create chaos. That's always been his M.O. Just plant the seeds of conflict and allow it to happen. Giving Sansa to the Boltons puts Roose Bolton and Cersei Lannister in conflict with each other, in addition to the pre-existing conflict between Stannis and Roose and Cersei. His plan was always to let Stannis and Roose battle each other, and then take out the victor with the Knights of the Vale, just like he told Cersei he would. Idk it makes sense in my head. Stannis didn't match on Winterfell to free Sansa. His rallying cry to the Northerners in the books was him fighting to free FArya but it was never really mentioned in the show that she was there. I never really got Roose's whole plan anyway. He wants to be King in the North (or so it's implied) but he doesn't state that so much as he states that he wants to rebel against the Lannisters, but his only real allies (the Freys and Baelish) are allies of the Lannisters, so it seems kind of dumb. IDK, season 5 was a mess, thats all I can really say. Yes, Roose was made Warden of the North and pardoned for his rebellion agains the crown once Robb Stark was dead (sobs). I think in the books, the hopes of marrying a Stark daughter is the hope of getting the North to not rebel against him. I am guessing that was the same idea in the show, except the way the show laid it down, he really had no worries about a North rebellion. Stannis, in the books, is able to get the North on his side because the NORTH REMEMBERED what happened to Ned, what happened to Robb, Catelyn and their family members at the Red Wedding and they were PISSED. Once they heard "Arya" was being married off to Sansa, they were like oh hell no and marched off with Stannis to free "Arya" and get the Boltons out of WF. Wyman Manderly makes the deal with Davos if he brings back Rickon Stark from Skagos alive, the North will bend the knee to Stannis and accept him as their king. Stannis in the show and the books realized that in order to win the realm, he had to save it first. In the show, the North FORGOT or just didn't care, so his battle for WF was useless...in the books, to free WF from the betrayers of the North gets the North on his side. Show wise, if Stannis had won WF back, the North would have been like Season 5 was mess. The North storyline would have been better if they did the North Remembers. It's a sin they didn't do it because it's my favorite storyline from Dance. So many good points in this thread, by the way, I wish I could quote you all! |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 10, 2017 23:35:13 GMT
I'm probably one of the most critical of the show on this particular forum, but it's only because I am disappointed in what I see as a decline in the standard of writing since the earlier seasons. There were always sloppy parts or cringe-y stuff or outright awfulness (*cough* S1 brothel scenes *cough*) but the overall script and plot was much stronger. I feel the most recent seasons have got very sloppy with the writing, which drags the quality of the show as a whole down, unfortunately. But I wouldn't care so much if I didn't enjoy the show, so while I might be very critical, it's because I care about what the show isndoing
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 11, 2017 0:06:25 GMT
I will defend the "play with her ass" scene until my dying day.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 11, 2017 1:53:20 GMT
I hope Lyanna and Rhaegar reappear at some point. Not sure why/how, but I would like another Bran vision of at least Rhaegar, if not also Lyanna. Maybe they could show his death on the Trident. Not sure what the context would be, but it'd certainly be cool.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 11, 2017 10:31:10 GMT
Well really we should get more backstory on Rhaegar and Lyanna since they have left things very vague at the moment. So I would assume we'll get more details on what happened next season, which could give an opportunity for them to reappear
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Post by boojam on Sept 11, 2017 19:54:19 GMT
Well really we should get more backstory on Rhaegar and Lyanna since they have left things very vague at the moment. So I would assume we'll get more details on what happened next season, which could give an opportunity for them to reappear An interesting thing. D&D have spilled the beans on a couple of book spoilers confirmed by GRRM... seems I saw them confirm the Mother-of-Jon spoiler (if one calls it a spoiler?) but this legit marriage thing, is that a book spoiler or what? |
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 12, 2017 12:12:10 GMT
Well really we should get more backstory on Rhaegar and Lyanna since they have left things very vague at the moment. So I would assume we'll get more details on what happened next season, which could give an opportunity for them to reappear An interesting thing. D&D have spilled the beans on a couple of book spoilers confirmed by GRRM... seems I saw them confirm the Mother-of-Jon spoiler (if one calls it a spoiler?) but this legit marriage thing, is that a book spoiler or what? I don't know. I don't think they have confirmed that it came from the mind of GRRM. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 12, 2017 15:51:39 GMT
An interesting thing. D&D have spilled the beans on a couple of book spoilers confirmed by GRRM... seems I saw them confirm the Mother-of-Jon spoiler (if one calls it a spoiler?) but this legit marriage thing, is that a book spoiler or what? I don't know. I don't think they have confirmed that it came from the mind of GRRM. That mostly tends to happen when there is an outpouring of interwebs outrage  see also, Shireen |
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I don't know...there just seem to be a lack of consequence to their plots.
see also, Shireen