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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 2, 2017 0:39:04 GMT
I think the guys beyond the wall were using Dragonglass weapons made from what Jon had mined. Jorah had those shiny new daggers which killed the polar bear, and of course Beric and Thoros had their fire blades. They didn't actually say it, but the weapons they were carrying all looked new and coated in black. Can anybody remember all the way back in season one when Jon fought the Wight, fire ultimately killed it, but did he try to stab it with a regular blade first? I can't recall. Gendry' sis the only one that obviously wasn't Dragonglass. Jorah quite clearly had two dragonglass daggers, didn't pay attention to the rest. Also, Fire didn't stop the bear Wight, for some reason. Yeah, and Sandor quickly learned to use the hammer to smash the ice in front of the wights. I just assumed the bear was too big for the fire to kill instantly. Why is that a raven? Petyr's sigil is a mockingbird. SMH It's not a raven. Ravens are all black. But it's holding a scroll. And this is what a mockingbird looks like:  |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 2, 2017 0:56:54 GMT
Somebody voted after I went to all the effort of finding the average. Fess up! Who clearly doesn't appreciate my effort??  obviously me hun Obligatory  It's not a raven. Ravens are all black. But it's holding a scroll. And this is what a mockingbird looks like: I think the scroll is more to do with LF than ravens. He liked his scrolls after all. We can agree that it's a poor attempt at a mockingbird anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 1:07:34 GMT
Anyway, i gave it 9/10. I really liked most of the scenes and the whole episode gave me a nervous tick in my leg.
Usually the 10 episodes make me feel some kind of large emotion and i didn't really feel that as a whole. I think the Cersei and Tyrion scene came close, but the rest of the episode. I'm not sure...maybe i need to rewatch.
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Post by Singer of Death on Sept 2, 2017 1:25:22 GMT
Also  The head of the bird looks like a mouse. Lol |
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 2, 2017 12:55:54 GMT
Mr. Kingeomer and his boss were discussing the episode yesterday and his boss had these questions (and perhaps you all can help me give better answers) 1. If a regular dragon breathes fire then you suppose an ice dragon commanded by the Night's King would breathe ice, right? Shouldn't that have reinforced the wall rather then breaking it down? 2. Do the Night's King, Wights and White Walkers need snow to survive? My response of this does not suffice:  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 15:18:43 GMT
kingeomer1. The ice dragons 'fire' must destroy ice and I don't think it makes sense yet. Unless the fire is still fire and its just blue/white hot which is really hot heat. 2. I think if it like, the nights king brings the snow with him, don't think he needs it to survive. Its more a curse, think back to Brans flashback and how he was created. The lands beyond the wall used to be green and lush and now its a snowy wasteland
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 2, 2017 15:50:52 GMT
The dragon breathed blue fire. I don't know why, but that's what happened. This means the wight dragon can potentially kill other wights. I'm not sure if Bran can warg a dragon if it's undead...
I agree with Bec, the white walkers bring the storm with them. We'll never see the Night King chilling in sandy Dorne with a margarita.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 2, 2017 23:28:01 GMT
Mr. Kingeomer and his boss were discussing the episode yesterday and his boss had these questions (and perhaps you all can help me give better answers) 1. If a regular dragon breathes fire then you suppose an ice dragon commanded by the Night's King would breathe ice, right? Shouldn't that have reinforced the wall rather then breaking it down? 2. Do the Night's King, Wights and White Walkers need snow to survive? My response of this does not suffice: UnViserion breathing fire is one of those things I'm perfectly happy to just say "because magic" to, because it is entirely a fantasy element and doesn't go against the show's internal logic, per se (as opposed to stuff like Gendry's amazing triathlon, timeline stuff, plot armour preventing drowning etc). Probably wouldn't make sense if you try to apply logic to it, but since it is a pure fantasy element, the 'because magic' reason is fine for me. Agree with Davey and Bec that the WW bring the storm with them, so things will freeze wherever they appear. I guess this might make filming for season 8 a bit tricky actually. |
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 3, 2017 12:16:18 GMT
Thank you DaveyJoe, @igrewupinkl and stoneheartsrevenge...I will pass on that info! Husband is like LF had to have a more coherent plan then what the show gave him...WHAT IS IT? He couldn't have possibly loved Catelyn and Sansa for real given what he did to them... Me: I'm just not going into this with you. I honestly think the show had no idea what to do with LF and I don't think GRRM is unveiling his whole plan until he releases book 6 and 7...therefore his motives are mysterious and in the show...out of his some twisted sense of love? Wanting chaos? Some combo of both?  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 3, 2017 23:06:33 GMT
Fire can be blue in real life, in fact it's hotter than red/orange fire.  |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 3, 2017 23:28:40 GMT
Blue fire is still fire though. Surely that's still just as damaging to wights as normal fire
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 3, 2017 23:33:14 GMT
Blue fire is still fire though. Surely that's still just as damaging to wights as normal fire Yes I think Viserion's fire could definitely kill wights, but it wouldn't harm itself. I see it in the way snakes have potent venom to kill prey, but they are obviously immune to it. That's why fire kills everything but the dragons can breathe fire without harming themselves. We have to assume the same principal applies to undead Viserion. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 3, 2017 23:51:56 GMT
Blue fire is still fire though. Surely that's still just as damaging to wights as normal fire Yes I think Viserion's fire could definitely kill wights, but it wouldn't harm itself. I see it in the way snakes have potent venom to kill prey, but they are obviously immune to it. That's why fire kills everything but the dragons can breathe fire without harming themselves. We have to assume the same principal applies to undead Viserion. Actually I hadn't even thought about Viserion. I was talking more about the wights on the ground. But now all I can think about is the science behind flying, firebreathing fictional monsters from a tv show. Why don't they burn themselves? How do they even make the fire anyway? Do they have a lighter and some deodorant in their bellies? Too many questions!  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 4, 2017 0:07:08 GMT
^^FoD that gif has me CRINE
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Post by meeraoftarth on Sept 4, 2017 2:19:43 GMT
The finale didn't satisfy me, I think it's one of the worst finales of the show.
Having said that, it's the first time I was 100% spoiled, so that's another thing to take into account, I like surprises.
I have mixed feelings, some scenes were extremely awful/boring, and others were great
Good ones:
Sam and Bran
Jaime leaving Cersei and his scene in the snow with the music....
Sansa and Arya after Lf's death
Brienne and Jaime exchanging looks
The NK and the Wall, amazing
Cersei's scene with Tyrion was better than I had thought after rewatching
HOund/Brienne
Bad ones
The dragonpit in general. Boring, long, and some plotholes there, how to kill wights or......wws?/can they swim...actually some can as shown in the wight hunt
Boatsex, I don't like Jonerys
Winterfell, it did not make sense to me, and LF was super out of character...
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Post by meeraoftarth on Sept 4, 2017 2:24:15 GMT
I forgot Theon, the scene was good
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Post by boojam on Sept 4, 2017 10:53:55 GMT
Bad ones The dragonpit in general. Boring, long, and some plotholes there, how to kill wights or......wws?/can they swim...actually some can as shown in the wight hunt It looked like, to me, those wight's pulling on Jon "drowned', which is how he got away. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 4, 2017 11:56:29 GMT
It just occurred to me that the Ironborn plot has pretty much been a running stream of one of either Theon or Asha being captured, some kind of rescue attempt, and an eventual escape. The Ironborn stuff isn't the most interesting part of the book, I can accept that, but they have been pretty short changed on the show.
And I still get mad at how stupid and immature the whole "Theon triumphs because the Ironborn kick him burst he doesn't have a penis so it doesn't hurt!" thing. Goddamnit.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 4, 2017 16:57:09 GMT
Worth a watch, even if you don't necessarily agree with everything
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Post by meeraoftarth on Sept 4, 2017 19:44:28 GMT
Bad ones The dragonpit in general. Boring, long, and some plotholes there, how to kill wights or......wws?/can they swim...actually some can as shown in the wight hunt It looked like, to me, those wight's pulling on Jon "drowned', which is how he got away. Not really sure, it seemed that some could still float a little and catch Tormund's legs. And also, there are the wights who had to tie the chains around the neck of the dragon. So I think that we have to be believe they don't, but there are some plotholes there in the episode of Beyond the Wall. |
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