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Post by Basil on Aug 31, 2017 19:57:15 GMT
They were relying on the Sansa-Arya conflict from when they were younger to be enough of an explanation for Arya's behaviour. But they took it beyond the suspension of disbelief since Arya fails to use basic common sense. To be honest I've been kinda baffled by Arya's storyline since the end of S4. Or maybe more accurately, up until the point she killed Meryn. I think that was the point the showrunners decided they wanted her to be more of a killing machine so the audience could go "fuck yeah!". Every time she kills someone (Meryn, Walder, all the Freys) she either has a really smug face or walks out like a badass. I thought that the point of her leaving the Faceless Men was that she's not a killing machine, but two episodes later she's suddenly the greatest assassin (and apparently chef) in Westeros. Her scenes with Hot Pie, Nymeria, and even Ed Sheeran/Blackberry Wine Lannister were all about bringing back her humanity, but that's undone by her bizarre behaviour towards Sansa, including threatening to kill her ffs. So yeah, Arya's character arc is a total mystery to me  I think when they decided that Arya should be the one to take out the Freys, they didn't really think through what this means for her character. Because killing your enemies is one thing, but baking them into pies and serving them to their father requires an obscene amount of sadism, it takes a really sick mind to come up with something like that. Did they not consider how this would affect Arya's characterisation? It's kind of ironic, the way they chose to portray the destruction of House Frey by Arya, as something super badass and awesome, totally undermines the point George was trying to make in the books by bringing Catelyn back to life and turning her into an inhuman spirit of vengeance. I don't think they could have missed the point of Lady Stoneheart harder if they had tried. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 31, 2017 20:03:38 GMT
Lord Glover is the most flip-floppy character in the entire show.
Says House Stark is dead and rejects their calls for help, two episodes later he's crying "King in the North!"
Shocked/disgusted at the idea of training his grandaughter, two minutes later he's sold on the idea.
Supports Jon, but two episodes after Jon leaves he says Sansa should be queen.
He is only consistent in his inconsistencies.
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Post by Basil on Aug 31, 2017 20:06:14 GMT
We never really talked about Tyrion's expression when Jon and Dany were bumping uglies. It could very well have been guilt. It felt kind of ominous and foreboding. Yeah, I'm not sure what that was all about. First I thought he was worried that them banging would complicate things, but if Jon and Dany were to marry, wouldn't that be ... a good thing? It would solidify their alliance and probably make it easier for the Northern lords ot accept a Southern queen. Perhaps it was jealousy.  |
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Aug 31, 2017 20:15:42 GMT
I hate what they've done with the Northern Lords so much
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 31, 2017 22:08:11 GMT
Our Season 7 Ratings
7x01: 8.18 (16 votes)
7x02: 8.33 (12 votes)
7x03: 8.44 (18 votes)
7x04: 9.20 (15 votes)
7x05: 7.63 (16 votes)
7x06: 8.38 (13 votes)
7x07: 9.06 (16 votes)
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 31, 2017 22:34:39 GMT
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Post by DaveyJoe on Aug 31, 2017 22:51:46 GMT
Our Season 7 Ratings7x01: 8.18 (16 votes) 7x02: 8.33 (12 votes) 7x03: 8.44 (18 votes) 7x04: 9.20 (15 votes) 7x05: 7.63 (16 votes) 7x06: 8.38 (13 votes) 7x07: 9.06 (16 votes) This just in, GoT fan forum mostly likes new season of GoT. But can all those votes be trusted. (shifty eyes) |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 31, 2017 23:40:05 GMT
Our Season 7 Ratings7x01: 8.18 (16 votes) 7x02: 8.33 (12 votes) 7x03: 8.44 (18 votes) 7x04: 9.20 (15 votes) 7x05: 7.63 (16 votes) 7x06: 8.38 (13 votes) 7x07: 9.06 (16 votes) This just in, GoT fan forum mostly likes new season of GoT. But can all those votes be trusted. (shifty eyes) NO. I've had my eyes opened by the actions of some round here. Disgusting. I'm glad I'm heading south soon and can wash my hands of this all.   |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 31, 2017 23:52:41 GMT
This just in, GoT fan forum mostly likes new season of GoT. But can all those votes be trusted. (shifty eyes) NO. I've had my eyes opened by the actions of some round here. Disgusting. I'm glad I'm heading south soon and can wash my hands of this all.  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 31, 2017 23:53:15 GMT
This just in, GoT fan forum mostly likes new season of GoT. But can all those votes be trusted. (shifty eyes) NO. I've had my eyes opened by the actions of some round here. Disgusting. I'm glad I'm heading south soon and can wash my hands of this all. AHHHHH LMAO |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 1, 2017 0:06:28 GMT
NO. I've had my eyes opened by the actions of some round here. Disgusting. I'm glad I'm heading south soon and can wash my hands of this all. You are both SHOOK right?  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 1, 2017 0:12:33 GMT
Lord Glover is the most flip-floppy character in the entire show. Says House Stark is dead and rejects their calls for help, two episodes later he's crying "King in the North!" Shocked/disgusted at the idea of training his grandaughter, two minutes later he's sold on the idea. Supports Jon, but two episodes after Jon leaves he says Sansa should be queen. He is only consistent in his inconsistencies. Would the Northern Lords rather support true born Sansa Stark or Jon Aegon Targaryen? We never really talked about Tyrion's expression when Jon and Dany were bumping uglies. It could very well have been guilt. It felt kind of ominous and foreboding. Yeah, I'm not sure what that was all about. First I thought he was worried that them banging would complicate things, but if Jon and Dany were to marry, wouldn't that be ... a good thing? It would solidify their alliance and probably make it easier for the Northern lords ot accept a Southern queen. Perhaps it was jealousy. I know some people think Tyrion has fallen for Dany but I hope not. Book Tyrion vomited on a whore then fucked her, while show Tyrion couldn't hook up because he was still so in love with Shae. With the way the show built up that relationship it would feel jarring for him to fall for Dany. More likely I think he's worried that Dany<3Jon could be a distraction from the war or even cloud her judgment. Or yes, Cersei got him to agree to some type of betrayal during their meeting. This just in, GoT fan forum mostly likes new season of GoT. But can all those votes be trusted. (shifty eyes) NO. I've had my eyes opened by the actions of some round here. Disgusting. I'm glad I'm heading south soon and can wash my hands of this all. Don't tell me this was a real quote. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 1, 2017 0:13:52 GMT
Lord Glover is the most flip-floppy character in the entire show. Says House Stark is dead and rejects their calls for help, two episodes later he's crying "King in the North!" Shocked/disgusted at the idea of training his grandaughter, two minutes later he's sold on the idea. Supports Jon, but two episodes after Jon leaves he says Sansa should be queen. He is only consistent in his inconsistencies. Would the Northern Lords rather support true born Sansa Stark or Jon Aegon Targaryen? Yeah, I'm not sure what that was all about. First I thought he was worried that them banging would complicate things, but if Jon and Dany were to marry, wouldn't that be ... a good thing? It would solidify their alliance and probably make it easier for the Northern lords ot accept a Southern queen. Perhaps it was jealousy. I know some people think Tyrion has fallen for Dany but I hope not. Book Tyrion vomited on a whore then fucked her, while show Tyrion couldn't hook up because he was still so in love with Shae. With the way the show built up that relationship it would feel jarring for him to fall for Dany. More likely I think he's worried that Dany<3Jon could be a distraction from the war or even cloud her judgment. Or yes, Cersei got him to agree to some type of betrayal during their meeting. NO. I've had my eyes opened by the actions of some round here. Disgusting. I'm glad I'm heading south soon and can wash my hands of this all. Don't tell me this was a real quote. Konrad said that on the other forum lol. I think he's a lil shooketh. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 1, 2017 0:15:28 GMT
Does that mean he's coming to America?
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 1, 2017 0:21:18 GMT
Lord Glover is the most flip-floppy character in the entire show. Says House Stark is dead and rejects their calls for help, two episodes later he's crying "King in the North!" Shocked/disgusted at the idea of training his grandaughter, two minutes later he's sold on the idea. Supports Jon, but two episodes after Jon leaves he says Sansa should be queen. He is only consistent in his inconsistencies. Would the Northern Lords rather support true born Sansa Stark or Jon Aegon Targaryen? You think they'd care with the army of the dead past the Wall? Or, more importantly, with only 6 episodes left? I'm betting on Jon being dead by the end anyway. I think this is the most likely explanation. What's bizarre about it though is that he kinda helped them get together in the first place with his not-so-subtle "stares at you longingly" conversation. Same with Davos. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 1, 2017 0:21:30 GMT
Davey I actually think you got a shout out on the other forum.
There's a poster whose really sarcastic and someone said he reminded them of a certain raccoon.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 1, 2017 0:24:15 GMT
I don't think Tyrion was jealous. I think he was just apprehensive of them two of them beginning an affair in the middle of the apocalypse. Emotions and love can make things complicated, so I think he's just worried that things will get messy.
Peter said Tyrion has a lil crush on Dany, so maybe he does disapprove of the relationship too, though.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 1, 2017 0:33:16 GMT
Would the Northern Lords rather support true born Sansa Stark or Jon Aegon Targaryen? You think they'd care with the army of the dead past the Wall? Or, more importantly, with only 6 episodes left? I'm betting on Jon being dead by the end anyway. I think this is the most likely explanation. What's bizarre about it though is that he kinda helped them get together in the first place with his not-so-subtle "stares at you longingly" conversation. Same with Davos. I think we've had seven years of evidence that these Lords are petty and struggle to put aside their personal feuds in the midst of greater threats. Many of them suffered under the Mad King. For better or worse, Jon's reluctance to kneel was an important plot point this year, and I expect some type of repercussion next year, otherwise it would have been a waste of time. They dragged out the Jon at Dragonstone story because of it, which ended up hurting the pacing for episode 6. If the Northern Lords are cool with it, that's more bad writing. Davey I actually think you got a shout out on the other forum. There's a poster whose really sarcastic and someone said he reminded them of a certain raccoon. Well I don't have an account over there if anybody worries I'm over there trolling. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 1, 2017 0:43:02 GMT
You think they'd care with the army of the dead past the Wall? Or, more importantly, with only 6 episodes left? I'm betting on Jon being dead by the end anyway. I think this is the most likely explanation. What's bizarre about it though is that he kinda helped them get together in the first place with his not-so-subtle "stares at you longingly" conversation. Same with Davos. I think we've had seven years of evidence that these Lords are petty and struggle to put aside their personal feuds in the midst of greater threats. Many of them suffered under the Mad King. For better or worse, Jon's reluctance to kneel was an important plot point this year, and I expect some type of repercussion next year, otherwise it would have been a waste of time. They dragged out the Jon at Dragonstone story because of it, which ended up hurting the pacing for episode 6. If the Northern Lords are cool with it, that's more bad writing. Davey I actually think you got a shout out on the other forum. There's a poster whose really sarcastic and someone said he reminded them of a certain raccoon. Well I don't have an account over there if anybody worries I'm over there trolling. pls you're actually funny, that guys just annoying lol back on topic: I think the Northern Lords were just an annoying plot device to demonstrate how frustrating ruling is for Jon and Sansa. They were all just bickering and yelling over each other. I am sure they were supposed to show that ruling ain't easy, but I agree it was a bit tiresome to have them just bitch about literally everything Jon or Sansa did. Also, I think Sansa has proven herself to be a capable ruler and I hope she ends up in a position of power, either staying as Lady of Winterfell, Wardeness of the North, Queen or Queen Regent, etc. She's proving herself, so I hope she doesn't just fuck off when Jon comes back North. I want her to stay calling shots bc I think she's good at it. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 1, 2017 0:52:29 GMT
You think they'd care with the army of the dead past the Wall? Or, more importantly, with only 6 episodes left? I'm betting on Jon being dead by the end anyway. I think this is the most likely explanation. What's bizarre about it though is that he kinda helped them get together in the first place with his not-so-subtle "stares at you longingly" conversation. Same with Davos. I think we've had seven years of evidence that these Lords are petty and struggle to put aside their personal feuds in the midst of greater threats. Many of them suffered under the Mad King. For better or worse, Jon's reluctance to kneel was an important plot point this year, and I expect some type of repercussion next year, otherwise it would have been a waste of time. They dragged out the Jon at Dragonstone story because of it, which ended up hurting the pacing for episode 6. If the Northern Lords are cool with it, that's more bad writing. I think you're kinda missing my point. I would want to see the Northern lords actually speak out about this. I think they should, since it obviously makes sense. But my point is that I don't think they will and I don't expect to see it, largely because the writers will think the audience won't care. It'd be just another loose end that they don't bother to tie up. |
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