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Post by kingeomer on Aug 28, 2017 11:40:38 GMT
Who gave this a 1? Not me! It got an 8 from me. It was better then last week, a little more coherent, but still had the problems I think that plagued this season. I probably would have given this a seven in all fairness but I gave last week an 8 and it was better then last week. Liked: Dragonpit sequence LENA Cersei and Tyrion's conversation, Dinklage is actually given some stuff to work with this season. Cersei and Jaime's last conversation this episode. Ding-Dong Littlefinger's dead Theon getting his groove back and having lines All the love for Ned. Glad Arya and Sansa are on good terms after that nonsense plot we didn't need. Sansa is the true Queen of the North and I hope she smacks Jon around for bending the knee. The scene with Gregor and Sandor. I am guessing Cleganebowl happens, but well acted by Rory. Disliked: Deus ex-Bran. I am guessing Sansa and Arya's tension was resolved by Bran's hold up---wait a minute, he's playing you. Let me tell you what happened, which all happened off screen. Littlefinger's death felt anti-climatic. I wish they would have done it the way Ned did it and I do feel like a Lannister, like Tyrion, should have been present. It was him who set the Starks and Lannisters against each other. And accused Tyrion of attempted murder. Boatsex. Sorry. Yes, Kit and Emilia are beautiful to look at it. But they have no chemistry. And Bran's detailing of how they are related and Tyrion listening in (WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ABOUT????)...made that a very unsexy scene for me. Sam taking credit for Gilly's find. Fuck you Sam. Jon not knowing how to lie? You could have let Cersei and Dany kill each other after using them to take care of the WW threat and then been all like to the North...welp dudes, guess who has two thumbs and the North and the South-WE DO! Jon sending a letter to Sansa basically saying we bent the knee but not discussing it with her or the Northern Lords. Um, while Theon betrayed Ned's memory, he actually betrayed Robb. As much as I loved the love for Ned (who deserves all the love) shouldn't Arya and Sansa have said they missed their father, mother and two brothers???? Rhaegar still an ass. Jon, your sperm donor is an asshole. Naming Jon Aegon. Fuck you Rhaegar. Neutral on:The wall falling. Epic scene, yes. But I felt once they got the dragon, this is what was going to happen so I was kind of like Tormund better not be dead.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 28, 2017 12:05:03 GMT
Boatsex. Sorry. Yes, Kit and Emilia are beautiful to look at it. But they have no chemistry. And Bran's detailing of how they are related and Tyrion listening in (WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ABOUT????)...made that a very unsexy scene for me. Woah. I agree with some of your other criticisms (like LF's death being somewhat anti-climactic) but I couldn't disagree more with this. I think Kit and Emilia have great chemistry and they have had it since their first scene together (when they're alone on Dragonstone). If their scenes don't ever work - which imo they didn't really - it's down to the writing and not the actors.
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Post by kingeomer on Aug 28, 2017 12:09:25 GMT
Boatsex. Sorry. Yes, Kit and Emilia are beautiful to look at it. But they have no chemistry. And Bran's detailing of how they are related and Tyrion listening in (WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ABOUT????)...made that a very unsexy scene for me. Woah. I agree with some of your other criticisms (like LF's death being somewhat anti-climactic) but I couldn't disagree more with this. I think Kit and Emilia have great chemistry and they have had it since their first scene together (when they're alone on Dragonstone). If their scenes don't ever work - which imo they didn't really - it's down to the writing and not the actors. We'll have to agree to disagree but I do agree that the writing doesn't help. I will also add that the fact that Jon and Dany are related doesn't help my feeling either.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 28, 2017 12:17:58 GMT
Cersei left alone standing over the map of Westeros was a great visual.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 28, 2017 14:16:50 GMT
Longclaw appears to be alive
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Post by Enid on Aug 28, 2017 15:50:34 GMT
Chemistry is the most subjective thing in the world. And it depends a lot on who you ship from my experience.
Jonerys fans are over the moon and think Kit and Emilia have amazing chemistry, Jonsa fans think they looked wooden and distant.
I think they were ok, but they don't have a ton of chemistry.
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 28, 2017 16:23:26 GMT
WHERE.THE.FUCK.IS.GENDRY??? He's most likely push aside to avoid join in the Dragonpit meeting. It make sense considering he's the only illegitimate Braratheon and how would Cersei and Dany react to that if they meet Gendry. Regarding Jon and Dany's chemistry, i'm with some of you guys that their chemistry felt void. I know the season tried to make it feel that these characters have some chemistry (and with the help of Kit and Emilia), but they only end up feel haste.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 28, 2017 16:41:48 GMT
While I think the two had great chemistry, I absolutely agree that more time would have helped the love story feel more natural. I can understand some people thinking it was rushed or needed more time. Also this was the track I was talking about in the promo thread. Give Djawadi his Emmy for fuck's sake. This is GLORIOUS
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Post by Basil on Aug 28, 2017 17:37:21 GMT
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Post by DaveyJoe on Aug 28, 2017 18:00:07 GMT
That PA behind them looks exhausted.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 28, 2017 21:42:20 GMT
Look boatsex I'm really happy for you but Cersei and Tyrion was one of the best scenes of all time.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 29, 2017 0:43:48 GMT
Cersei bought an army of fucking elephants I love this show
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Post by Singer of Death on Aug 29, 2017 1:59:20 GMT
WE NEED FUCKING SPIDER WRIGHTS GOD DAMNED IT!
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Post by DaveyJoe on Aug 29, 2017 6:55:41 GMT
Who gave this a 1? (^I made that gif and didn't think I'd use it so soon) Well all right, here it is. The finale to a flawed masterpiece of a season. Like season 6 I think we've had some of the highest highs coupled with the lowest lows of the series. I'm on the fence about this episode so I'm rewatching it before writing my review. We start with an epic shot of Grey Worm and the audience struggling to remember when we saw him last, and where he was. I wanna say he was in Casterly Rock with Euron's navy just outside. Now he's standing tall outside a castle with an army. I was excited to see new castles like Highgarden and The Rock this year but we saw them so briefly they didn't leave a big impression. Bronn is overseeing Lannister troops working on the new formula for Dr. Pepper. Basil will find it too sugary. Tywin Lannister's greeting ritualOk it's pitch apparently but my idea would have been awesome. Bronn looks fabulous in this scene btw. After the Spoils of War he decided he'd die looking pretty, and he's determined to steal a scene from Jaime. Jaime, by the way, is brooding this episode as much as Tyrion or Jon Snow. The Dothraki reveal was kind of weird. Like, I didn't have an opinion one way or the other for this battle so we just have 20,000 Dothraki screamers run in. I didn't know this battle was coming so a twist does nothing for me. Tyrion and gang are headed to the Dragon Pit? Something outside of King's Landing we've never heard of before. A lot of characters are intersecting for the first time in years. Tyrion and Bronn, Tyrion and Pod, Sandor and Brienne! There's a lot of shifty eyed glancing going on and it won't be the first time tonight. Tyrion and Pod have more chemistry in their brief reunion than Jon and Dany sadly. If Tyrion seduced Pod on the boat tonight it would have felt right. The one thing the show does really well is handling the supporting characters like Sandor and Brienne. Their scene together feels genuine, they seem to have a shared respect and The Hound has a more humble air while speaking to her. His reaction to the news of Arya's well being is pretty heart warming. Tormund is freaking out about this moment of bondingThe most exciting part about this scene is seeing Tyrion and Cersei back together after a very tumultuous parting in season four. Tyrion's identity crisis is getting a little more attention this year after being comedic relief since season 5, and Peter does a good job with it. He has to play it mostly through reaction shots but he's so expressive that we know exactly what Tyrion is thinking. Sandor's first action in the Dragon Pit is to get an A capella version of Shit City going, originally written by Oberyn Martell. And so begins the HYPE of this season. The soundtrack bursts into a tense string melody as the shifty eye glancing increases by tenfold. And seeing Sandor strut right up to the Mountain, who looks like a cross-eyed zombie eggplant, for the first time since season 1 had me britches tighter than a duck's butt. The funniest thing about this scene and the way it plays out is that Sandor, with a life long vendetta against the brother that scarred him as a child chose to show restraint and walk off, for the integrity of the negotiations. About four minutes later Jon Snow ruins that shit because he cannot tell a lie. So Sandor Clegane has better political savvy than Jon Snow now. Just putting it out there. Gregor is one card short of a deck and tries to remember why this angry burned guy is threatening him. Dragon screeching sounds ensue and Jaime is SHOOK as he leaps to attention and tries to see where the fuck they are coming from. Dany has a fantastic moment as she swoops in and lands in the stadium seating with Drogon. The thing I love about Lena's performance is how regal she looks during this moment, she doesn't flinch as everybody around her is rushing forward and gasping at the dragons. She sit perfectly still with her crown perfectly poised on her head, but there is the slightest hint of stress in her eyes as Dany lands in the Pit. Euron looks extremely aroused by the commotion. I'm calling it now that he tries to seduce her next year. More glancing! I love how Euron interrupts Tyrion immediately with his own business. But it's pretty weak how Yara gets captured back in episode two and trotted out as a plot device in the finale. Why are we not following Yara and what she's going through in captivity? It doesn't make sense that Cersei would keep her alive as a bargaining chip, so we can assume Euron convinced her to keep her alive for his amusement, but just to taunt Theon who has no real power? It's weird and feels a bit convenient that Yara kind of disappeared for the chunk of the season. But the crowd's reaction is pretty funny and overall Euron's characterization is bizarre enough that it kind of works. Finally Cersei puts him in his place and Nuncle sits down. So the plan was to go beyond the wall, capture a wight, survive, bring it back to King's Landing to convince Cersei that their war is meaningless with the impending threat. Sandor says what we're all thinking in how stupid this plan is. Yet Cersei seems intrigued by the crate he lugs in like a pack mule. I hope he's getting overtime for this shit. I love how Sandor opens the crate like we open a box of Christmas decorations from the attic that we're pretty sure has some spiders in it by now. For all the talk of Valonqar it's ironic that the little brother Sandor is who saves Cersei from the wight. Jaime, or even the Mountain don't move until it would have been too late. And as the dismembered wight crawls on the ground, everybody recoils in horror, except for Qyburn, who can't wait to run up and examine the creature's arm. You can tell how shook Cersei is, and Euron is studying her reactions closely. It's amazing that after all of the boasting and mad showmanship that Euron admits his terror and is the first to flee from the White Walkers. It's a game changer for Cersei's demeanor from here on out. And all ready Euron is trying to grab a side chick. Dany isn't biting but Cersei is damn sure condemning. Euron the coward. Cersei throws us a curve ball and accepts a truce, something that only seems possible because she's carrying a child. There won't be a legacy if humanity is destroyed. And here we have it, the moment that Jon Snow ruins the freaking season because he can't smile and wink at the Queen. It is beyond frustrating and yet Jon Snow does a good job justifying his stubbornness. Tyrion says 'hold my wine' as he volunteers to meet privately with his sister. Jesus, what is with every plot event being a suicide mission this year? Tyrion checks his strategy guideThe scene between Cersei and Tyrion is fantastic. Finally the familial drama that we have been waiting for! Tyrion realizes that Cersei is pregnant after just a few intense close-ups of her belly. Cersei doesn't deny it, I would have been like "free burrito day at Chipotle, dude, back off!" Jon and Dany share a scene and it's okay. I like the fact that Jon says that the witch who told Dany she'd never have children might not be trustworthy. Emilia is actually really good here. She's really trying to create some chemistry but Kit is just like 'let my mustache do the talking, babe.' Cersei shoots ice daggers at Jon as she announces her truce. Jon and Dany are shook, Cersei has more regal presence than anybody on the show right now. And for all the people that bitched about flight times last week we get a touching shot of a hard working raven that gets no credit from this fandom. We never celebrate when a raven delivers plot material when we need it the most, but we're quick to talk shit when we think it happened too quickly in one episode. Shame on us. For all the hate on Littlefinger he is talking straight sense to Sansa right now. Jon is knee deep in dragon pussy and nobody else seems to recognize that. As sleazy as he is, Petyr is bringing up some real truth in how complicated Jon's loyalty just became. And as polarizing as this story line has become, Aidan Gillen is doing a fantastic job toying with the audience. I also think Sophie has done a great job this year, I think she and Maisie are dong the best they can with a pretty flimsy story line and they've made it work at moments but a lot of us are still scratching our heads. Trying to piece together Arya/Sansa motivationsThat moment when Sansa calls "Lord Baelish"I'm not thrilled with this scene because the writing didn't make much sense leading up to this moment. Petyr should have hightailed it out of Winterfell when Bran started dropping chaos ladder bombs. Then Sansa and Arya had to be dumbed down for the entire season just for tonight's payoff. It was a pretty impactful scene. But it was kind of heavy. Can you imagine if Tywin ever executed a Lord in court without a trial? It would send political tremors all throughout Westeros. It's a bit conflicting that the Starks are pulling off some shady kills, it isn't totally in line with the father's sense of justice. For better or worse. I know this is a high light for most of you, but I think villains like Litltefinger always make the show more interesting, and I will miss the chaos he brought to the story. Good night sweet prince. As frustrating as Theon's arc can be, this moment was really moving: What can I say about the moment I was dreading. Littlefinger got punked by some crazy writing. At its core it seems a bit intense that the Stark kids just executed a Lord without any sort of trial. It's awfully convenient that the three eyed raven wound up on the good guys side. It makes you wonder about the real meaning of justice. But Cersei has a wildcard and it's the Golden Company thanks to a dank loan from Tycho. We're talking Elephant army. And can we take a moment for how beautiful the scene of winter coming to the capitol was? Maisie and Sophie just kill it here when they talk about the pack, it really got to me and I wish we got more scenes like this throughout the season. Let's check in on GendryThis is the moment we've all been waiting for, apparently. So let's enjoy it in all its glory. Behold dat ass:I've upgraded my score to a 9. My beef lies more with the writing leading up to tonight, which had almost perfect execution. The final scene is perfect and elevates the episode instantly. Just about every scene was beautiful. How about that amazing score?
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 29, 2017 9:06:33 GMT
If Cersei doesn't ride an elephant in season 8 I'm deleting my account.
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Post by kingeomer on Aug 29, 2017 11:37:03 GMT
DaveyJoe, great review as always. Some great points you brought up: Petyr was giving Sansa sound advice about Jon. And once Bran was all "chaos is a ladder..." Petyr should have been like, "Yeah, hit me up on raven if you all need anything but me and my Vale lords gotta bounce on back on the Vale. Peace." Maisie and Sophie have done heroic work in a mess of a storyline. While I am glad Littlefinger is dead, I 100% agree with you that killing him without a trial is something that Ned Stark would not do (it's the same reason why Ramsey's death felt hollow to me) and I do think at the very least Tyrion Lannister should have been present to hear Littlefinger's crimes. Granted the Starks paid dearly for what he did but honestly the whole realm was effected. I also wish we found out what was his motivation for starting all of this. TheMadQueen, now I am going to be disappointed if Cersei does not ride an elephant next season.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Aug 29, 2017 16:58:38 GMT
If am omniscient plot device like Bran was in the hands of a villain we'd all be shaking our heads how easy it is for them to clean up their messes. It's just kind of unsatisfying how this whole thing was resolved, especially with the wishy washy motivations both of them went through this season. If Bran was going to tell them the truth it's silly that he waited until right before episode 7, the entire storyline was kind of forced on us so we could have that "Lord Baelish" twist. Disappointing for me as a fan of Gillen.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 29, 2017 17:59:27 GMT
Littlefinger really DENNIS'd Sansa
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Post by Basil on Aug 29, 2017 21:14:17 GMT
lol
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 30, 2017 0:23:08 GMT
7. Will post more thorough thoughts later. Pros: The Dragonpit. Loved it all. Strong perfomances, great character moments throughout that this season was sorely lacking. The music over LF's trial so awesome. Haven't enjoyed WF plot this season at all, poor execution, but was satisfying seeing LF die. Should have happened earlier though because i feel his character was awfully handled this season. The trial would have been perfect if it happened earlier though. The Wall falling. Snow over Kings Landing was eerily beautiful. Disliked: Jaime leaving Cersei. More of an extension of problems in earlier episodes though because they made Jaime such a hapless puppy dog devotee it now feels forced to have him leave her. What the fuck kind of immature ass wrote this stupid fight between Theon and the IB and getting kicked between the legs doesnt hurt because he was castrated? Who the fuck ok'd this shit? The LF/Sansa stuff...i know not everything can be shown on screen but it feels like so much happened off screen just for the sake of *SHOCK* for the audience. Rhaegar/Lyanna flashback and Boatsex wasnt bad, just kind of meh though random asides: Ah, Varys in the background! Another reminder that a lot of side characters were shortchanged this season. "I know everything now, except stuff it's handy for you to explain to me because exposition and drama. Holy Shit steps!" I wish they knew what to do with Bran. Tormund and Beric probably are dead. If not from the Wall collapsing, surely the NK would see them from dragon-back.
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