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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 28, 2018 13:29:39 GMT
Sounds about right to me. I’d also add that the Logan system interface points out their error was assuming humans were more complex than they are, and things worked better when he (the system) realised they could be distilled to a single line of code, or something like that.
And guests definitely didn’t know about the data collection. Hale as good as says so. I guess the rationale for Delos is that the data collection would be a minor scandal that quickly blows over (for anyone about to argue against this see Cambridge Analytica, Facebook etc,) which leads to a huge lucrative business opportunity for them
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 28, 2018 14:49:38 GMT
So Felix and the other guy are gonna bring Maeve back, right? They said Delos wanted to try to salvage some of the hosts?
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 29, 2018 12:31:12 GMT
So Felix and the other guy are gonna bring Maeve back, right? They said Delos wanted to try to salvage some of the hosts? I'm still mulling over the finale. I really do hope we get some new human main characters (that are sympathetic, please. The writer was almost getting there but then he sacrificed himself for Maeve and the gang). They did say that any hosts that could be saved should be saved. Since we got close ups of dead Maeve, Hector and Armstance, I expect that all 3 will be salvaged. I agree that Dolores Hale has some part of Teddy with her, I expect him to be recreated out in the real world. Possibly some how she got Maeve, Hector and Armstance too, IDK. A little surprised that Stubbs was a host all this time. Sucks that Elsie died. I also agree that Tessa Thompson's performance really picked up in the second half of the season and she did a great job mimicking ERW. Would love to see Zahn McClarnon get a guest actor Emmy for his role. He was absolutely fantastic. I wonder who in the future decides to make host William? |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 29, 2018 13:43:36 GMT
So Felix and the other guy are gonna bring Maeve back, right? They said Delos wanted to try to salvage some of the hosts? I'm still mulling over the finale. I really do hope we get some new human main characters (that are sympathetic, please. The writer was almost getting there but then he sacrificed himself for Maeve and the gang). They did say that any hosts that could be saved should be saved. Since we got close ups of dead Maeve, Hector and Armstance, I expect that all 3 will be salvaged. I agree that Dolores Hale has some part of Teddy with her, I expect him to be recreated out in the real world. Possibly some how she got Maeve, Hector and Armstance too, IDK. A little surprised that Stubbs was a host all this time. Sucks that Elsie died. I also agree that Tessa Thompson's performance really picked up in the second half of the season and she did a great job mimicking ERW. Would love to see Zahn McClarnon get a guest actor Emmy for his role. He was absolutely fantastic. I wonder who in the future decides to make host William? I think we will definitely get some more sympathetic human characters. We already have Felix (“You make a terrible human being”) and had Elsie, and yes Sizemore developed marvellously this season. Emily also seemed decent enough - won’t condemn her for want to commit her mother because that is a murky area so while I disagree with it, I can’t say it makes her evil. Problem is we didn’t really see too many humans yet, and those we did were bound to come across badly because the very reason they are in the park is for debauchery and debasement. Dolores won’t have taken Maeve and her crew, she had no attachment to them at all and it’s already been set up to have Maeve at least restored by Felix and Sylvester. Stubbs as a host surprised me but it makes sense. Look at it through Ford’s eyes - who better to protect your “children” than another of your “children” Gosh darn so many deserving of Emmys for their acting. Zach McClarnon as you say, Jeffrey Wright, Peter Mullan, all the goddamn women on this show. In terms of technical stuff, Djawadi obviously for the score. Whoever wrote episode 8 for writing, and Lisa Joy for directing episode 4. Directorial debut and it was sublime. Really cool video where she and Jonathan break it down. And wow aren’t they just such an awesome couple too? |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 29, 2018 20:12:40 GMT
Zahn and Thandie deserve Emmys.
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 30, 2018 0:53:14 GMT
Somebody on Reddit made a good point on this "game" William was trying to search for in this season. Granted this was post after episode 9 and it's pretty late, but I think this (or at least half of it) still holds merit as the producers did confirmed this is the real William.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 30, 2018 2:36:34 GMT
So what happened to William in the present day? He blew his hand off and went down some elevator and that’s the last we saw of him. I guess it’s implied he escaped the park.
I’m excited to see the real world next season more. The glimpses we got this year were dope. I love futuristic shit like that. Now that Bernard and Dolores have essentially become Batman and the Joker, it will be amazing to see that play out in that setting.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 30, 2018 2:55:15 GMT
Also I’m not sure where else there is to go with a Maeve storyline. She already did the final sacrifice/hero’s death thing, basically completing her arc, so I’m not sure what point there is in bringing her back. Bringing her back to life for the hundredth time will just cheapen her sacrifice IMO.
Idk what else there is for her to do. Let her be dead.
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 30, 2018 7:00:52 GMT
Also I’m not sure where else there is to go with a Maeve storyline. She already did the final sacrifice/hero’s death thing, basically completing her arc, so I’m not sure what point there is in bringing her back. Bringing her back to life for the hundredth time will just cheapen her sacrifice IMO. Idk what else there is for her to do. Let her be dead. Throughout the series, Meave has been presented as a saviour who help hosts awaken or at least their internal problems, like Hector crew and Akane. So that is if Felix and Sy are going to fix her again, Meave’s role might resume to this for the next season. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 30, 2018 10:22:39 GMT
Also I’m not sure where else there is to go with a Maeve storyline. She already did the final sacrifice/hero’s death thing, basically completing her arc, so I’m not sure what point there is in bringing her back. Bringing her back to life for the hundredth time will just cheapen her sacrifice IMO. Idk what else there is for her to do. Let her be dead. Well for season 2 there were a bunch of characters who didn't really do anything. Maeve's gang could've just been herself, Hector and Sizemore but they also added Armistice, Shogun's Armistice (totally pointless), and Felix and Sylvester, the latter two of whom serve no purpose until the last episode - it's never even explained why they're out in the middle of nowhere with Armistice. It's just "Oh it's you two! Come with us to Shogun World!" and nothing more. Probably the only person from season 1 who didn't come back is Theresa, and that's only cause she's fuckin dead. So they probably will bring Maeve back, if only just for Thandie Newton. Also I wonder if this was intentional foreshadowing?   Hard to say how much of season 2 was planned during the writing of the first season, but if they'd always planned to bring back Ford then this is great. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 1, 2018 9:58:47 GMT
Maeve is a third route for the Hosts, she is vengeance tempered by compassion and ultimate respect for free will, Dolores is pure genocidal vengeance, and Bernard, who lived most of his life thinking he was human, represents the idea of humans and hosts coexisting and working together. Maeve is important to bring back, imo. And I don’t think it cheapens her sacrifice. She threw herself in harms way to let the other hosts escape even though as far as she was aware, there was no way for her to come back. An utterly selfless act. Similar to her sacrifice in season one where she gets off the train, giving up her chance at freedom to save her daughter
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 2, 2018 12:00:02 GMT
Somebody on Reddit made a good point on this "game" William was trying to search for in this season. Granted this was post after episode 9 and it's pretty late, but I think this (or at least half of it) still holds merit as the producers did confirmed this is the real William. This is a REALLY GOOD theory. I like it a lot. Especially that William has persecution complex with a paranoid subtype. Finding out that he's really not that special and concocting a "game" which adds to nothing but to keep him busy and out of the way while the "real work" goes on would be the ultimate f-you. So what happened to William in the present day? He blew his hand off and went down some elevator and that’s the last we saw of him. I guess it’s implied he escaped the park. I’m excited to see the real world next season more. The glimpses we got this year were dope. I love futuristic shit like that. Now that Bernard and Dolores have essentially become Batman and the Joker, it will be amazing to see that play out in that setting. I might be wrong, present day William was severely injured and taken away by medical staff. I am guessing "future William" is the one that goes down the elevator and meets host Emily and becomes aware that he's James Delos 2.0. Maeve is a third route for the Hosts, she is vengeance tempered by compassion and ultimate respect for free will, Dolores is pure genocidal vengeance, and Bernard, who lived most of his life thinking he was human, represents the idea of humans and hosts coexisting and working together. Maeve is important to bring back, imo. And I don’t think it cheapens her sacrifice. She threw herself in harms way to let the other hosts escape even though as far as she was aware, there was no way for her to come back. An utterly selfless act. Similar to her sacrifice in season one where she gets off the train, giving up her chance at freedom to save her daughter Great point about Maeve. I highly doubt that Maeve would be gone for good and it will be interesting to see what she does once she's reconstructed and out in the free world. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 2, 2018 14:02:16 GMT
Also random but anyone else feel like Sizemore’s sacrifice was really unnecessary? He could have just told the guards he was a human and stalled them while Maeve ran away. Like, he really didn’t need to start shooting and all that.
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 3, 2018 12:02:58 GMT
Also random but anyone else feel like Sizemore’s sacrifice was really unnecessary? He could have just told the guards he was a human and stalled them while Maeve ran away. Like, he really didn’t need to start shooting and all that. I agree with that. I think Sizemore was the closest thing we had to a sympathetic human character this season. I think more could have been done with the character. Although we could have host Sizemore next year I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 2:24:31 GMT
I really didn't enjoy this season as much as the last.
I felt the story was a little strained and over complicated an actual simple storyline...
Dolores went from like my favourite to least favourite storyline. Her actions seem opposite of what she wanted in season 1, to live free. Now she wants to take over the world? At what cost? Since when was she wired to be that way and why does Ford want this.
Unnecessarily killing characters, Emily, Sizemore. A quick check with the device that the guards JUST USED would have confirmed Emily was human. Sizemore just committed suicide, why? Those men didn't want to shoot him.
Dolores keeping Bernard alive when he is ultimately going to be her downfall?
All humans are bad and deserve to be killed and murdered by robots? Dolores is a total hypocrite.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 4, 2018 5:34:05 GMT
Yeah, I would say I liked season one better probably. But season 2 had some of the best moments in the series, and probably the best episode too. But I think season one was more cohesive, and the mystery build up was handled better.
Regardless, I can’t wait for season 3 (even tho I’m sure it won’t come on till like 2020). Dolores fighting to basically wipe out humans will get crazy, esp since she has “Charlotte” who has access to Delos stuff.
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Post by Singer of Death on Jul 6, 2018 5:51:08 GMT
I agreed with most that season 2 isn’t particularly good as the first, guys how the writings are handle especially in the finale.
The mixed up timeline make sense in the last season since it’s from Dolores’ perspective and the plot twist are executed coherently. In this season, they threw it all in one episode and made the timeline confusing for the sake of confusing.
Dolores isn’t good like in the last season. I get that the writers wanted us to feel sympathies for her, but her dialogue and the writings made her so wooden I couldn’t care less about her problems. The only scene that she is good in was her moment with her father. Everything is just meh.
Other elements in the season is fine and alright. I was invested in Bernand and Meave’s storyline. Even though Ake was only in 3 episodes, they did a job with his story and character. The finale didn’t detract my opinions that much since the producers did clarify stuff in the Bts and interviews.
Overall season 2 is a 7/10.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 10:25:14 GMT
My favourite storyline was Maeve, and i thought sho-gun world was amazing <3
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 20, 2019 3:25:32 GMT
Season 3 trailer is here!
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Post by MarcusAntonius on May 20, 2019 3:26:31 GMT
Man season two was a let down for me despite some awesome moments but that trailer has renewed my hype. Looks great
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