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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 14, 2018 21:20:18 GMT
Um ok that was maybe the best episode of the series. That ghost nation guy is my new fav, and him promising to keep Maeve’s daughter safe was cute as fuck.
Also I still stand by what I said a few weeks ago that whoever plays William’s daughter can’t act.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 19, 2018 16:01:00 GMT
White hat, black hat, MRI scan hat  That episode was...well, wow. And William truly is a monster. Teddy!  Stupidly excited for the finale. |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 20, 2018 12:00:03 GMT
White hat, black hat, MRI scan hat That episode was...well, wow. And William truly is a monster. Teddy! Stupidly excited for the finale. Yes William is. Curious to see how they wrap this season up. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 20, 2018 17:02:18 GMT
So William really killed his own daughter? Damn I really thought he was gonna be redeemed at the end of this all too. The scene of Ford and Maeve had me in my feelings for whatever reason. Idk how she gets out of it but we know she does Bc of the scene with her and the bulls from the trailer. Can’t wait for that. Teddy  We still have yet to see how Bernard ends up on that beach, hmmmmm. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 20, 2018 22:40:34 GMT
Ford’s parting gift to Maeve was to reactivate her Mesh network. That’s how she will escape. By the way, the BTS about her prosthetics for that scene was really interesting. Clementine, poor Clementine, always the sacrificial lamb first they lobotomise her, then she is cannon fodder for Dolores’ campaign, now she is the unwilling carrier of the “plague” to her fellow hosts. I kind of love the imagery they have with her riding in on a horse though. Horsewoman of the apocalypse and all that |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 5:33:30 GMT
Truly SHOOK about William killing his own daughter. Although i'd say he deserved to feel that pain, maybe it'll bring him back to reality. Hope he just kills himself, the scum.
Great writing choice for Teddy to kill himself, will this impact Dolores and her mission? Will she be as human as she claims if she doesn't change her current mindset?
Excited for finale should be good.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 22, 2018 12:28:13 GMT
Truly SHOOK about William killing his own daughter. Although i'd say he deserved to feel that pain, maybe it'll bring him back to reality. Hope he just kills himself, the scum. Great writing choice for Teddy to kill himself, will this impact Dolores and her mission? Will she be as human as she claims if she doesn't change her current mindset? Excited for finale should be good. Nah if William was going to kill himself he would have pulled the trigger last week. He is completely unhinged at this point and doesn’t know what’s real and what isn’t anymore. I do think it’s possible he dies in the finale though. Teddy’s death could pull Dolores in either direction. Either it hardens her resolve and shreds the last bit of empathy in her or it breaks her resolve and makes her realise how brutal she has been to her fellow hosts. I wouldn’t like the guess which it is |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 25, 2018 2:29:57 GMT
The finale ended and... what the heck???
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 25, 2018 12:24:53 GMT
I've been catching up over the past few days and there were a bunch of thoughts and questions I had about the first 9 episodes, but the finale has left me with so much more. I'm very confused. Is there gonna be a third season?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 25, 2018 14:17:31 GMT
Fuck me. Anyone confused, I heartily recommend looking up the interviews with the showrunners online. They make things, if not clearer, clear enough that they make sense. FYI, the post-credits scene is a flash forward. In summation - Many of the hosts escaped ‘Westworld’ into a virtual reality Ford created for them, the ‘Sublime.’ They left their bodies behind and so physically yes they ‘died’ but their bodies are just artificial constructs anyway, the important part is their consciousness and sentience. Clementine was weaponised to make the hosts destroy each other via the Mesh network. Maeve, Armistice and Hector sacrificed themselves to allow the other hosts to be truly free. Bernard killed Dolores, then took her brain sphere from her body. After seeing Charlotte kill Elsie ( my girl! ) he decided he had made a mistake and fashioned a Charlotte body, which he put Dolores’ consciousness into. Dolores then killed Charlotte and took her place. To protect this secret, Bernard scrambled/erased his own memories. Arriving back at the valley beyond after the host massacre, Halores reveals the tru5 and shoots Inspector Clueso (or whatever he’s called, don’t care). She and Bernard ensured the Hosts were safely in the Sublime, then she changed the coordinates of where it would be beamed to in order to ensure its continued safety. Halores then shoots Bernard and takes his consciousness in the form of the brain orb. She also has some other unknown orbs with her. Stubbs realises this is not Charlotte but actually a host. But PLOT TWIST because Stubbs is a host and is tasked with protecting g the hosts inside the park. Since Dolores is leaving, she is not his responsibility. *wink* William somehow survived his many injuries. Out in the real world, in Arnold’s old home, Dolores has reconstructed her own body, and Bernard’s. She knows they will likely be adversaries and may even kill each other, but they are both essential to the survival of their kind. Post credits scene, in the distant future, William p, much like Delos before him, walks into a room and is great by a host in the appearance of Emily. He has just relived the experience we saw across season 2 of Westworld. The host, for whatever reason, is conducting tests for fidelity. Unclear what exactly is going on here as of yet |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 25, 2018 14:18:21 GMT
I've been catching up over the past few days and there were a bunch of thoughts and questions I had about the first 9 episodes, but the finale has left me with so much more. I'm very confused. Is there gonna be a third season? Season three is apparently going to be primarily in the real world |
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Jun 25, 2018 18:46:11 GMT
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 25, 2018 18:46:11 GMT
Oh wow this show is nuts.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 25, 2018 19:42:30 GMT
Fuck me. Anyone confused, I heartily recommend looking up the interviews with the showrunners online. They make things, if not clearer, clear enough that they make sense. FYI, the post-credits scene is a flash forward. In summation - Many of the hosts escaped ‘Westworld’ into a virtual reality Ford created for them, the ‘Sublime.’ They left their bodies behind and so physically yes they ‘died’ but their bodies are just artificial constructs anyway, the important part is their consciousness and sentience. Clementine was weaponised to make the hosts destroy each other via the Mesh network. Maeve, Armistice and Hector sacrificed themselves to allow the other hosts to be truly free. Bernard killed Dolores, then took her brain sphere from her body. After seeing Charlotte kill Elsie ( my girl! ) he decided he had made a mistake and fashioned a Charlotte body, which he put Dolores’ consciousness into. Dolores then killed Charlotte and took her place. To protect this secret, Bernard scrambled/erased his own memories. Arriving back at the valley beyond after the host massacre, Halores reveals the tru5 and shoots Inspector Clueso (or whatever he’s called, don’t care). She and Bernard ensured the Hosts were safely in the Sublime, then she changed the coordinates of where it would be beamed to in order to ensure its continued safety. Halores then shoots Bernard and takes his consciousness in the form of the brain orb. She also has some other unknown orbs with her. Stubbs realises this is not Charlotte but actually a host. But PLOT TWIST because Stubbs is a host and is tasked with protecting g the hosts inside the park. Since Dolores is leaving, she is not his responsibility. *wink* William somehow survived his many injuries. Out in the real world, in Arnold’s old home, Dolores has reconstructed her own body, and Bernard’s. She knows they will likely be adversaries and may even kill each other, but they are both essential to the survival of their kind. Post credits scene, in the distant future, William p, much like Delos before him, walks into a room and is great by a host in the appearance of Emily. He has just relived the experience we saw across season 2 of Westworld. The host, for whatever reason, is conducting tests for fidelity. Unclear what exactly is going on here as of yet Great summary! To be honest the idea that Dolores rebuilt Bernard knowing he'll likely oppose all her plans just seems like a convoluted way to keep Jeffrey Wright in the show. I mean I'm not complaining, cause he's a great actor and I'd love to see more Bernard, but I just can't understand the logic behind her decision. Speaking of great actors, hats off to Zahn McClarnon for making me care about Akecheta more than anyone else after only 2 episodes. When all the hosts were slaughtering each other I was worried for him most of all, and I'm so glad he got a happy ending unlike basically everyone else. Shame we probably won't see more of him. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 25, 2018 19:52:22 GMT
So all those hosts that ran off into the sunset basically got their consciences uploaded to iCloud?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 25, 2018 23:58:58 GMT
Fuck me. Anyone confused, I heartily recommend looking up the interviews with the showrunners online. They make things, if not clearer, clear enough that they make sense. FYI, the post-credits scene is a flash forward. In summation - Many of the hosts escaped ‘Westworld’ into a virtual reality Ford created for them, the ‘Sublime.’ They left their bodies behind and so physically yes they ‘died’ but their bodies are just artificial constructs anyway, the important part is their consciousness and sentience. Clementine was weaponised to make the hosts destroy each other via the Mesh network. Maeve, Armistice and Hector sacrificed themselves to allow the other hosts to be truly free. Bernard killed Dolores, then took her brain sphere from her body. After seeing Charlotte kill Elsie ( my girl! ) he decided he had made a mistake and fashioned a Charlotte body, which he put Dolores’ consciousness into. Dolores then killed Charlotte and took her place. To protect this secret, Bernard scrambled/erased his own memories. Arriving back at the valley beyond after the host massacre, Halores reveals the tru5 and shoots Inspector Clueso (or whatever he’s called, don’t care). She and Bernard ensured the Hosts were safely in the Sublime, then she changed the coordinates of where it would be beamed to in order to ensure its continued safety. Halores then shoots Bernard and takes his consciousness in the form of the brain orb. She also has some other unknown orbs with her. Stubbs realises this is not Charlotte but actually a host. But PLOT TWIST because Stubbs is a host and is tasked with protecting g the hosts inside the park. Since Dolores is leaving, she is not his responsibility. *wink* William somehow survived his many injuries. Out in the real world, in Arnold’s old home, Dolores has reconstructed her own body, and Bernard’s. She knows they will likely be adversaries and may even kill each other, but they are both essential to the survival of their kind. Post credits scene, in the distant future, William p, much like Delos before him, walks into a room and is great by a host in the appearance of Emily. He has just relived the experience we saw across season 2 of Westworld. The host, for whatever reason, is conducting tests for fidelity. Unclear what exactly is going on here as of yet Great summary! To be honest the idea that Dolores rebuilt Bernard knowing he'll likely oppose all her plans just seems like a convoluted way to keep Jeffrey Wright in the show. I mean I'm not complaining, cause he's a great actor and I'd love to see more Bernard, but I just can't understand the logic behind her decision. Speaking of great actors, hats off to Zahn McClarnon for making me care about Akecheta more than anyone else after only 2 episodes. When all the hosts were slaughtering each other I was worried for him most of all, and I'm so glad he got a happy ending unlike basically everyone else. Shame we probably won't see more of him. Dolores for most of this season would never have rebuilt Bernard. But like she said, she realised she can change her mind. She realised her rigid thinking and single-minded pursuit of her goals was turning her to the very acts she so loathed in humanity. So, while she still wishes to take that path, she recognised that others would choose different paths, and she respected that choice. So she will let Bernard do his thing, because she has stepped away from the dictatorial/authoritarian rule she was leaning towards most of this season. Also, I think one of those brain orbs she took was Teddy. But not all of him. Her monologue says they left the best parts of themselves behind and cuts to an image of smiling Teddy...so I think she uploaded that part of him to the Sublime, and brought what was left into the real world. The more I think over it the more I loved this finale. Really think it lifted the whole season up and tied everything together into a cohesive narrative in a way I couldn’t see when I was waiting each week for the next instalment. I think this season works better as a whole than as individual episodes |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 26, 2018 19:03:10 GMT
Have to revised my thoughts toward Tessa Thompson because damn she did a great job mimicking ERW's performance as Dolores.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 26, 2018 19:37:41 GMT
Have to revised my thoughts toward Tessa Thompson because damn she did a great job mimicking ERW's performance as Dolores. yeah Tessa was a lot better towards the second half of this season. I have absolutely no idea what the post credits scene was about. Was William a clone this whole time? Also what was the deal with logan. That was just a computer thing, I guess just represented as Logan for the audience? Idk. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jun 26, 2018 19:52:42 GMT
Have to revised my thoughts toward Tessa Thompson because damn she did a great job mimicking ERW's performance as Dolores. yeah Tessa was a lot better towards the second half of this season. I have absolutely no idea what the post credits scene was about. Was William a clone this whole time? Also what was the deal with logan. That was just a computer thing, I guess just represented as Logan for the audience? Idk. The producers confirmed in the BTS and interview that the post credit scene sets in the far future and that William in it including Emily are hosts. William in season 1 and 2 was still a human and that he did indeed killed Emily, the real one. As for Logan, It was an AI that's taking his form (with the data copied off from him). Why the AI take Logan's form of all the guests to Dolores and Bernand, idk. Interesting the others sees this parallel between William and James Delos: both of them neglected their child, was responsible for their death (James indirectly pushed Logan to overdose), and was punished by being trap in a fidelity loop where they have to repeatedly suffer for their sins (as one for the producers stated). |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 28, 2018 3:32:41 GMT
I’m still not exactly sure what the whole secret project was tbh.
I’m still confused. Figuring out how to download human consciousness into an android body? To create immortality?
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 28, 2018 10:55:11 GMT
I’m still not exactly sure what the whole secret project was tbh. I’m still confused. Figuring out how to download human consciousness into an android body? To create immortality? Yeah that's basically it. I think the idea is that Papa Delos needed reason to invest in Westworld, because he wasn't interested in the future or other people's fantasies. He only cared about himself and he knew he was dying, so there wasn't much point in investing in a project which would only please other people. So William came up with the idea to prolong Delos' life by taking his mind and uploading it into a host's body. The way they did that was to allow him to explore the park and be "his true self", so that the mind which went into the new body would be as accurate and as true to his character as possible. They recorded his every movement via the hosts (and the hats?) to make sure they got everything. They seemed to be able to recreate the mind well enough, but the problem came when they tried to insert that mind into a host, for whatever reason.* Which is why William gave up on the project, because he'd been going to see the new HostDelos for decades with no success. But I think the people in charge at Delos' company - Hale and the rest of "the board" - wanted the project to continue, and they got especially worried when Theresa was killed, so they tried to smuggle the data out of the park in order to restart the project elsewhere in case Ford decided to shut the whole thing down. Presumably by then the project had expanded to recreate not only Papa Delos' mind but all the guests as well (although I don't think the guests knew about it). *As a side note: I think it was only when the mind was put into a fresh, empty body that it failed. Ford's own mind was intact in the Cradle, and was also fine when he uploaded himself into Bernard. Basically it started as an attempt to prolong Papa Delos' life, but that eventually grew to include every guest who entered the park. Does that sound about right stoneheartsrevenge ? |
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