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Post by mandzipop on Apr 20, 2016 23:41:45 GMT
All I took from that interview is that all of the actors wanted a very expensive CGI death. Only CGI can pay for my death.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 20, 2016 11:35:17 GMT
The initial thought would be LSH, however they made Michael Jackson's Thriller in the early 80's and that was good enough to have make up that passes for LSH.
It must be something more complex. It could be a vision of Bran's which is a large scale production of VFX prosthetics. Hardhome was a huge challenge for them, I'm assuming that this is going to be a bigger challenge specifically due to scale.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 20, 2016 1:56:29 GMT
I'm in 2 minds with LSH. There is that niggling doubt that they might not be able to pull her off properly. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept her face completely hidden and had another actress play her for the majority of any screen time, and then a reveal of her face in episode 10. I'm thinking this way due to "Michelle watch." They would have had to really minimise her filming to throw the scent off from fans. So if they do it, they would have had to run a military style operation to keep her appearance a secret.
Damn, I wasn't going to get on the hype train.
Must...resist...to...avoid...disappointment!
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 20, 2016 1:07:35 GMT
I expect the book reader reaction to the TOJ scene to largely be a textbook example of missing the forest for the trees. I would love to be wrong. From everything we've seen in the trailers, they did a fantastic job on the fight scene portion so I have faith they'll portray the dialogue and story in a way that will make sense to viewers. Making it part of Bran's vision will certainly help establish it as a past event of importance during Robert's Rebellion at least. It is obvious that they have gone to great lengths to ensure the fight sequence is fantastic. I'm expecting Bran and Bloodraven to turn up, Bran ask him where he is, Bloodraven to point out Ned and tell them they are in Dorne. Then maybe he says "We watch, we listen." Then some version of the dialogue which makes sense to the general masses and annoys a lot of book purists (George never said that it went down exactly as Ned dreamed it) because the dialogue is not exactly the same as in the book. The issue is that there is not enough dialogue for that scene to work on screen. Needs to be less prose heavy and to be fleshed out a bit. Just had a thought, they might have to include Dawn because then Bran might recognise Ser Arthur Dayne just by the sight of the sword with a combination of the Targaryan armour.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 19, 2016 22:59:47 GMT
After watching the ToJ fan made version, it occurred to me that there could be a problem if the scene is replicated perfectly. It won't work as well on screen as in the books. The dialogue between Ned and the Kingsguard doesn't work on screen. The language is a bit too Shakespeare to work. It feels out of place.
I know that was only a fan piece, but it was quite good. However it highlights that the dialogue won't work in the show.
I'm guessing that they are going to have to flesh it out a bit. To anyone who hasn't read the books or has never heard of Tower of Joy, that scene would make no sense at all, no matter how good the acting, action, production etc... it won't make that dialogue any easier to understand.
Probably not a popular opinion, but they are going to have to make changes to the dialogue for it to have the full effect on screen. So I'm preparing myself for the ToJ scene to be very different from the books. I'm not even expecting Dawn to appear. I mean, what would they do? Arthur Dayne give a quick history lesson on his sword? Do the unsullied know or even care? No. The only reason to put it in there is as a nod to the readers, and it is only possible if it is essential to the plot. It is in the books, not sure it is now in the show considering the way the scene has been introduced.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 19, 2016 1:22:21 GMT
During the scene when Jon orders Slynt outside to kill him, Jon was different. It felt, to me, in the way he acted it out, like a totally different character. He came across calm, cold and ruthless. His voice was really soft, but his eyes were quite sweet but sinister. That is more of what I'm expecting.
Not sure if I was alone in picking up on this visual change in his on-screen character in this scene.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 19, 2016 1:09:27 GMT
If Jon is Azor Ahai, he shouldn't need any help. However, I am in the Mel resurrection camp.
On a humorous level, she found out from Thoros that he gave Beric the kiss of life. If she tries to give Jon the "kiss" of life and it doesn't work, what does she do then? Go to the next base? She does get naked with a worried look in the trailer. I do think that is going one stage too far for GoT.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 16, 2016 5:44:51 GMT
Home could mean reunion. When I've been away from my family, home often means to me seeing my family again as opposed to the place where I'm seeing them. That might be a dialect thing, I don't know.
It can also mean being sent away, eg Trystane being sent home to Dorne. That would be more in line with an instruction version of the word. Theon could be sent home back to the Iron Islands.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 15, 2016 22:04:44 GMT
I think 20 episodes might be too much, but I'm not sure if 13 is enough. It might feel too rushed.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 15, 2016 18:24:21 GMT
Isaac said he would be playing Kingmaker. I can't remember where I read it.
If that is the case then a vision of the death of King Aerys would make sense. Bran (and the viewer) getting bits of information from Roberts Rebellion and the lead up to it and what implications it is still having on the realm. That would explain why there is the ToJ flashback.
Just a guess on my part.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 15, 2016 1:09:17 GMT
Well Ramsey does say in recent trailer "Do you like games little man?" I wonder if it is to an Umber hostage.
I didn't believe the leaks until I saw the trailer.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 13, 2016 2:06:42 GMT
Just been looking at the map and I don't think the Sansa rallying the north journey is odd. In fact it is the only route they can go if they discover early on that the Karstarks and Umbers are siding with the Bolton's. Head south west and you have Bear Island. Not quite sure what the situation is at Deepwood Motte is right now in the show, but that would work to either get the Glover's on side or send Theon back to Yara. I can't remember the details. Then head to Castle Cerwyn, then to Hornwood. There Sansa splits off to White Harbor to meet Littlefinger and Davos heads back to Jon for the battle. If my memory serves me right, they are the houses who are fighting with the Starks. There might be early season communications between the Umbers and Castle Black about the wildlings which means that it becomes quickly obvious that the Umbers will side with the Bolton's. Sansa may send Brienne south to get revenge on the Freys. I wouldn't be surprised if, after discovering what Littlefinger has done, Sansa decides to marry him and do to him what he instructed her to do to Ramsey. Then she kills him after she's taken everything from him. I think they should impale Ramsey. My theory before Bear Island was shown in the trailer was that after Brienne saves Sansa and Theon in the wolfswood, they would go to Deepwood Motte. From the casting calls, there was a haggard lord and in the books Robett Glover is described as "haggard." From there, I thought the Glovers could help Sansa get to Castle Black and then Brienne and Pod could go south from there after Sansa sends her on a mission to the Riverlands and then Theon would eventually run into Yara or travel back to Pyke on his own. I'm not sure if Brienne would go all the way to Castle Black because if she's in the Riverlands by mid-season, she would have to leave The Wall by 6x03 and I think Sansa arrives there in 6x04. In the promo photo of Davos from 6x04, that could be him potentially looking at Sansa arriving, which would be a nod to Mel's prophecy from the books about seeing a girl on a dying horse. I assume now that from Castle Black in 6x05, Sansa and Davos will go to Bear Island and then Jon and Mel will go to The Gift. I was also thinking that Jon and Mel may head towards the Gift, maybe a rescue mission for Rickon, however I'm not sure if they'll find out that he is there. They might not even see him until the battle. The splitting of duties for gathering the bannermen makes sense. I was torn as to whether Sansa and Theon would go to Deepwood Motte first, and Theon then head off to the Iron Islands. The problem is that if she stops off anywhere, she is likely to hear about Jon which means she won't go to Castle Black. The fact that she is with Ser Davos, suggests she does go to Castle Black. We'll find out in less than 2 weeks.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 13, 2016 1:13:00 GMT
Just been looking at the map and I don't think the Sansa rallying the north journey is odd. In fact it is the only route they can go if they discover early on that the Karstarks and Umbers are siding with the Bolton's.
Head south west and you have Bear Island. Not quite sure what the situation is at Deepwood Motte is right now in the show, but that would work to either get the Glover's on side or send Theon back to Yara. I can't remember the details. Then head to Castle Cerwyn, then to Hornwood. There Sansa splits off to White Harbor to meet Littlefinger and Davos heads back to Jon for the battle. If my memory serves me right, they are the houses who are fighting with the Starks.
There might be early season communications between the Umbers and Castle Black about the wildlings which means that it becomes quickly obvious that the Umbers will side with the Bolton's. Sansa may send Brienne south to get revenge on the Freys.
I wouldn't be surprised if, after discovering what Littlefinger has done, Sansa decides to marry him and do to him what he instructed her to do to Ramsey. Then she kills him after she's taken everything from him.
I think they should impale Ramsey.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 12, 2016 23:11:37 GMT
I think his post is legit and has seen the pre CGI battle, which will look slightly different as they multiply the cast in blocks, so it would have been difficult to discern the true numbers. It might be closer to the truth in horses though.
I'm hyped.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 12, 2016 17:04:32 GMT
I think it is about multiple characters.
I think the set up for the Riverrun seige will start in episode 3. This may involve Jamie breaking struggling to keep to his vows.
It also might be related to Brienne possibly leaving Sansa. Although it might be on a mission for Sansa, she would be breaking her oath as she wouldn't be technically protecting her.
Also Jon, if this is the episode he comes back. He may decide to tell the Nights Watch where to stick it, especially if this is when he finds out about what happened to Sansa.
Arya might disobey the FM.
Maybe a shot of Jamie stabbing King Aerys.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 12, 2016 1:11:52 GMT
Could the riders in the back be Sansa, LF, and the KotV coming to save the exhausted Stark force? If the Redditer is to be believed, and it now seems very credible, it is most likely Sansa and the Vale army in the background.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 11, 2016 22:52:42 GMT
I'm glad that Sansa and Ser Davos have met. She needs a genuinely good person in her life. And Davos needs someone like Sansa. He's comfortable in the fatherly role type figure.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 11, 2016 16:37:53 GMT
SANSA AND DAVOS AT WHITE HARBOR OR SOME NORTHERN HALL!!! GEEET HYPEEE!! House Mormont. There is a bear sigil on the wall.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 10, 2016 17:51:02 GMT
I'm going to say 4 Bolton soldiers. Probably some Bolton dogs too.
I'm undecided about the Nights Watch. It depends on whether the clip of Ser Davos, Jon's mates and Ghost is from episode one or two.
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Post by mandzipop on Apr 10, 2016 2:46:57 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me at all if both of them bend over backwards to make Tommen happy since he's the only one left now. If I remember correctly he had barricaded himself in his quarters, would not see anyone and was refusing to eat, right? There were tons of leaked photos we had from filming in Spain that confirms at least Jaime is there and they also had a shot in the trailer of Jaime on a horse by the Tyrell army at the steps of the Sept. Yeah I had kind of assumed the whole Marg prison break was done without Cersei's consent/knowledge. But now it appears she was in on it. Maybe Cersei is getting smarter after all. Making nice with Margaery before "strangling her in her sleep". I think the Kings Landing plot is one of the hardest to predict this season. We know of some things, but this makes no sense. Unless they are building the break up of Jamie and Cersei to be more dramatic. He might not find out about Lancel until episode 6. Cersei will have an ulterior motive.
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