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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 7, 2015 15:15:29 GMT
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 7, 2015 14:33:42 GMT
Yeah, could be denial, but I'm not buying this shit.
Setting up the whole "you are princess Shereen of house Baratheon and you are my daughter", just to make him watch impassibly? No way. Shereen volunteering for the sacrifice? She's freaking ten! No 10 years old character has ever shown such a devotion to a cause in this or any other show I can remember! Kids simply don't reason this way!
Besides, the whole point of burning a royalblood is that it should cause an event that favors Stannis' claim to the throne, but with only the final episode remaining, and "not enough food to reach Winterfell or to go back to Castle Black", how are they gonna resolve the storyline to set up for next season? With a big bunch of "so, I burned my daughter, let's wait next season to find out what happens"?
If to this you add the whole Dorne mumbo-jumbo (Did someone get what the hell is supposed to happen with Bronn and the sankes in prison?) and Trant's death offscreen, for me it's a big pyle of "nope, not gonna believe this stuff"
Again, could be denial... But what the hell, this is beyond stupid.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 7, 2015 0:38:11 GMT
I think she'll fly away next episode and land in the Dothraki sea in 510. With all the cliffhangers we're (supposedly) gonna get this season, I think Dany's is gonna have a "quieter" tone, with her landing, hopefully not eating those damn berries (with all that comes after them), and meeting her former Khalasar.
I think that's an appropriate ending for her storyline this season: you get the "what's gonna happen next?" vibe without the need of another high-tension cliffhanger.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 6, 2015 16:37:58 GMT
That would be awesome but it would never happen. Yeah I know Still, it came back to me some time ago and made me shiver at the thought
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 6, 2015 16:31:52 GMT
Since we're talking about this, I'd like to bring up something.
I don't remember exaclty where does this come from, I'm almost sure I read something similar in some other novel and I'm just replacing the OC with Jon. So don't take it as serious speculation. However. Imagine this:
FTW happens. Jon wargs into Ghost and struggles to retain his mind. Stannis loses Winterfell and regroups at Castle Black with Melisandre.
Mel goes on with the ritual and everything leads to believe that she's gonna revive Jon. We see the whole scene from Jon's POV, inside Ghost. He's ready to warg back inside his revived body.
But then, something happens. Jon tries to warg back, but he can't. He witnesses his body rise back to life, stand, talk. Except he's not in there. And as Jon's body turns to Ghost and smiles, Jon realise something else is. Something Evil.
(seriously speaking, I just hope Martin's big idea is not just Jon warging in Ghost and that's it. If he has to warg, which I hope he doesn't, let it be for a comeback later on)
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 6, 2015 14:44:31 GMT
Okay, I finally had a lunch break long enough to watch the video and look up some trusted places for speculation and opinions... and I can safely say that I'm on board for the skepticism. Some of the screens look a bit fake to me. The HUD is basically a slightly reworked version of the fisrt Dark Souls one, and some people analized the textures and found out that some are strikingly similar to Bloodborne ones. So... maybe this is DS3. Maybe it's Bloodborne DLC. Maybe it's neither, and just a good fake. Either way, I'm thrilled now I'm not skeptical at all. I know these guys are goofballs, but they take the journalism part of their job very seriously and wouldn't leak this stuff if they didn't know it was legit. They made a video last week about a rumor from a trusted source about Silent Hills being revived and bought by Microsoft, which turned out to be apparently wrong and they caught A LOT of (unnecessary) heat for it, so if they felt certain enough to release this after that little incident, then I definitely think its all legit. I hope you are right, cause there's no stopping the hype train now
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 6, 2015 14:16:17 GMT
Hi everyone, I was looking for an introductions topic, and looks like I finally found it! So, here comes the newbie. Name's Ivan, 23, from the glorious land of Pizza, uh, i meant Milano, Italy. I've been following Sati's recaps for almost two solid years after stumbling upon them, so that's where the knowledge of this board existence comes from. I lurked a bit before posting my first message here and this seems like my dream community, so Read the books, following the show, loving both of them. I like them movies, but that's not really interesting since I guess everyone does (rofl) Also videogames, good quality animation and of course reading like there's no tomorrow. In my spare time from all these fundamental activities, I'm trying to get through my Psychology studies while working part time in a library owned by a Roose lookalike, so working is pretty stressful, yeah. I share my apartment with three really fat cats and an Unsullied girlfriend. I am one of those fools who still believes LS will appear in 2 weeks. [insert "f*uck me, right?" meme here]
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 6, 2015 12:44:43 GMT
Okay, I finally had a lunch break long enough to watch the video and look up some trusted places for speculation and opinions... and I can safely say that I'm on board for the skepticism. Some of the screens look a bit fake to me. The HUD is basically a slightly reworked version of the fisrt Dark Souls one, and some people analized the textures and found out that some are strikingly similar to Bloodborne ones. So... maybe this is DS3. Maybe it's Bloodborne DLC. Maybe it's neither, and just a good fake. Either way, I'm thrilled now
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 23:55:58 GMT
After Platinum-ing Demon's Souls and both DS and DS2, one would probably get tired... Yeah, as if.
I loved Bloodborne and I got the Platinum on that too. I think it had what I felt lacked in DS2: a solid artistic direction.
Of course I'm excited about DS3, mandatory day-one for me too... I just hope Miyazaki directs it, so we don't end up with the cool (how could it be not?) but kinda sloppy execution that led DS2 to be the black sheep of the Souls family.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 16:46:33 GMT
@sj4dy Never said they should. But the very meaning behind "for the watch" has nothing to do with Olly or the Wildlings. Please don't take me for a purist, I myself have loved some of the changes the show made. I'm just trying to explain why the whole rush towards FTW doesn't sound right to me
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 16:37:53 GMT
Yeah, but my point was: I don't see all the screentime given to Olly being the reason for this "version" of FTW to happen. If he's not alone, it'even worse: it's "Olly, a 13 year old kid, matures hatred towards Jon's decision and convinces other Sworn Brothers to kill their freaking Lord Commander". That sounds ridiculous, but moreover completely disintegrates the whole meaning behind "For the Watch": they don't decide to protect the Watch from the decisions of a Lord Commander who breaks his vows, stabbing him in tears, they decide that Jon is to be killed becasue... Olly says so?Sorry, but I don't see this happen.. And i don't understand why would people prefere this over a well executed version of the whole thing °_° I haven't seen anyone say that. It just looks like this is the direction they'll go with it. Maybe we should wait for the episode to air before we say that whatever they end up doing isn't well-executed. Judging it now is juuuuust a bit unfair. You're right, my bad on the judgement. but it's an argument I've seen discussed in other places: there are people convinced that FTW is such a good cliffhanger that it must be season 5 ending, no matter how simplified or changed it might come out to be
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 16:27:32 GMT
The scene is from the books. Doesn't mean the stabbers need to be the same. And I doubt it would be Olly alone... Yeah, but my point was: I don't see all the screentime given to Olly being the reason for this "version" of FTW to happen. If he's not alone, it'even worse: it's "Olly, a 13 year old kid, matures hatred towards Jon's decision and convinces other Sworn Brothers to kill their freaking Lord Commander". That sounds ridiculous, but moreover completely disintegrates the whole meaning behind "For the Watch": they don't decide to protect the Watch from the decisions of a Lord Commander who breaks his vows, stabbing him in tears, they decide that Jon is to be killed becasue... Olly says so?Sorry, but I don't see this happen.. And i don't understand why would people prefere this over a well executed version of the whole thing °_°
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 16:12:37 GMT
Probably. This is D&D, they do stupid stuff all the time. Who knows, maybe Jon finds out about Sansa and a version of the pink letter is in and he wants to go rescue her. Yeah, I don't know. I understand the diffidence towards D&D, they have done stupid stuff in the past, after all. But just because it happened in the past it doesn't mean it's meant to happen everytime. To me it doesn't sound hard to believe that they would alter the reasons behind Jon's stabbing... but it's really hard to believe they'd change the dynamic of such a pivotal scene. They know the reaction of the fans very well by now. FTW is powerful because of the crying and the emotional impact of the scene. Olly stabbing Jon alone is freaking ridiculous, underwhelming and, most importantly, not what happens in the books. And they said clearly that the last scene was gonna be from them..
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 15:53:36 GMT
FTW has been too heavily foreshadowed, hinted at and set up for it to be left off until next season. It's happening in 510. Yes, I understand. Still, what about the motivations behind it? Are you saying they're gonna change "FTW 'cause of broken vows" into some "Olly decides to kill Jon 'cause Wildlings killed mom"? I don't know if I'm ok with that... I believe we'll see FTW in 5.10. However, the #1 reason why FTW wouldn't happen in 5.10, is because it would be tough to hide Kit Harington from returning in season 6. I know Charles Dance showed up for one scene playing a corpse, but the spoiler-detectives out there would figure out if he has a heavy role or not. This. FTW as a season finale makes it absolutely impossible to maintain the cliffhanger up until next year.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 15:30:06 GMT
Yes, yes they do.
To think they managed to make me think (hope?) that FTW is not gonna be in but LS is. Damn me, I wanna believe!
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 15:27:37 GMT
Sorry, I have no desktop for weeks and with my mobile I cannot analyse the image very well. Could you describe sati? Sorry I am not trolling, I really can't see it It's official 2015 GoT calendar. The month of June is dedicated to House Tully and shows Catelyn in Riverrun, in a nice big picture from what appears to be season 3. The caption that was used on Reddit was "masterful trolling or confirmation?" EDIT: worth mentioning, the main color for the page is a dense tone of red.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 14:24:02 GMT
It'll be a huge curveball if they don't do FTW in 510. Honestly they hinted to it but it could just as well be all setup for it to happen next season. Jon already had his massive moment in Hardhome, plus pretty much everyone expects FTW, so I don't see it "break the internet" as it was hinted. As I said, making Alliser challenge Jon would add the drama and conclusion needed for the storyline this season with a solid yet not jaw-breaking moment, while building towards FTW when Jon breaks his vows in season 6.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 11:53:39 GMT
There's nothing really to suggest Sam won't leave for the Citadel in the finale, though. I expect they've held it off because nothing that happens there would be really relevant until early S6 and they didn't want to have Sam and Gilly on a boat for an entire season (thank the gods). He can leave in 510 but he doesn't have to get there until 601 or 602. How do you see the rest of his arc playing out this season? I'm not sure. I know that if they plan to leave Jon's death ambiguous, they can't just drop the bomb in, say, ep.604 and ignore the storyline for the rest of the season, so if that's the case, the only two options are this or next year's season finale. It's also hard to picture the Bolton-Stannis-Jon storyline running for another entire season, though. To me, it's hard to accept that they would skip the entire "Jon breaks his vows" thing to just make the Brothers kill him because of the Wildlings. As I said, I think that line-crossing decision is pivotal and necessary for the whole FTW event. I'm not saying that the authors 100% won't do it, I'm saying that if they do, it means that Jon "dies" before Stannis attacks Winterfell, and before Sam departs for the Citadel (which is Jon's doing in the books). Jon could send Sam to the Citadel before FTW, it's true, but there have been no hints toward it besides Maester Aemon's death, which to me did't look like a set-up for this, but more like an emotional moment for Sam. They could make Sam and Gilly run away from the Wall as a conseguence of this event, sure, but at this point we are entering pure speculation territory, where all theories are legit. It'd also mean that the Brothers would then proceed to slaughter the Wildlings Jon brought from Hardhome... And I honestly don't see yet another big battle involving them for three seasons in a row, also considering that the Battle of Winterfell is already set to happen next year, and the fact that the Crows are something like 50 people against hundreds of Wildlings, and this time without a 700 feet wall between them. To sum up my thoughts: imho, it's possible FTW doesn't happen this season. Stannis could fight Ramsey, to deliver some sort of half-closure for his storyline, waiting for the big battle next year. Jon could face some sort of challenge for his authority after his return, maybe with a much-awaited confrontation with ser Alliser, also delivering the anticipated fourth unexpected death in the season and adding more hate to the ranks of the Crows in anticipation for next year's FTW. Next year, Jon struggles to decide wether or not to march on Winterfell after Stannis' defeat early in 602 or 603, and FTW happens. After all, D&D worked with GRRM and already know if Jon survives FTW. Martin said his intentions are to publish TWoW before season 6 airs (good luck with that...). If this id the case, by then Jon's fate will be known to the pubblic too, and D&D would be free to make it a end-of-episode cliffhanger rather than a end-of-season one.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 5, 2015 10:10:16 GMT
Hey everyone, new guy here.
I was wondering: if the location reveals and casting calls suggest that Sam is gonna leave for the Citadel next season, how is it possible that FTW is gonna happen in this one? Also, it's pretty much clear we won't be having the battle of Winterfell in this season but we'll get some kind of Ramsay+20 men (sic) against Stannis fight, which will lead up to the final confrontation early next season. If you add the fact that it's unlikely they'll use the Pink Letter in the show, then how is it possible that FTW is gonna happen this season?
Sure, we have Jon raising the hate with the whole Wildling thing, but is it enough to set up for the big scene? I mean, aside from Olly the little sh*t, Bowen and March (who I honestly don't see doing it themselves), we have just a bunch of generic grumbling crows. Will the Wildlings provide sufficient reason to murder the damn Lord Commander? I don't think so. The whole point in the books was that Jon was hated, but crossed the line when he broke his vows to fight the Boltons.
And with only two episodes left, considering the amount of jaw-breaking events they're gonna show, and considering that Jon was already the main character of the big battle in hardhome... I just started thining that maybe FTW is not gonna show up this season.
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