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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 13, 2015 17:26:23 GMT
Just for the fun of it, this is how I would do the different storylines of the episode. It is obviously missing some fine-tuning. But here is my rough outline: Wall (2 scenes): - At the Wall, Jon talks with Sam and says he has to leave with Gilly and little Sam to Oldtown, because of the White Walker threat. Sam has to find new information on them. They bid farewell when Davos arrives. Davos talks with Jon but they are interrupted because there is a raven for Davos from Selyse explaining what happened with Shireen. Davos is beside himself with rage and leaves the Wall. - The second scene is For The Watch. Olly comes in to talk to the Lord Commander. He is seemingly upset about something. Jon doesn't realize the threat, goes to him in order to calm him down and gets stabbed. Other men join the stabbing. Meereen (2 scenes):
- In Meereen, Daario, Tyrion and Jorah talk about what has happened and what's next. Missandei and Grey Worm come into the throne room and say "we have to find her". - Daenerys flies with Drogon to a seemingly abandoned area. She takes care of his wounds, when suddenly she sees a Khalasaar approaching. Braavos (2 scenes):
- Arya tells Jaqen she is going to kill the Thin Man. She goes and retrieves Needle and looks for Meryn Trant. She finds him, tells him she knows what he wants and goes with him into a dark alley. There, she kills him with Needle. - Arya goes back to the House of Black and White and is confronted by Jaqen and the Waif. Arya goes blind. Dorne (2 scenes):
- Doran reveals his plan to Ellaria that he is a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen. Varys appears. - The Sand Snakes attack Jaime, Myrcella, Trystane and Bronn. Bronn is killed in the attack, but the fight is stopped (by Sunspear forces) before the Sand Snakes can kill Myrcella. King's Landing:
- Cersei confesses to the High Sparrow and then has to do her walk. - After the walk, Cersei meets Robert Strong. - Olyvar has disappeared (Littlefinger's gift to Olenna) and thus the Tyrells are free to go. Margaery swears revenge. Stannis/Winterfell:
- Opens with Team Stannis. Melisandre sees that sacrificing Shireen has worked, because the ice is melting. She goes to Stannis to tell him, but on the way she notices some Baratheon soldiers around a tree. Selyse has hanged herself. - Ramsay arrives at Winterfell and proudly tells everyone that he single-handedly destroyed the Baratheon army. Sansa is devastated, because LF's plan didn't work. She goes to her room and takes the corkscrew from under the bed, prepared to use it the next time Ramsay wants to rape her. - The Boltons, Sansa and Walda are eating together and Roose seems to be proud of his son. Then suddenly Reek comes in, obviously upset. He tells the others that there is an army outside of Winterfell. Ramsay says it is impossible, but Roose says he shouldn't have trusted his son to do the job. He commands his soldiers to prepare for the siege and a possible battle. - Outside of Winterfell, Brienne and Pod see the approaching army and say that this may be their chance to rescue Sansa. - Sansa decides to open the gate so that Stannis's army can attack. On her way, she meets Myranda who instantly knows what Sansa's up to. They fight and Sansa kills her with the corkscrew. Sansa opens the gate. The battle begins. - Boltons vs. Baratheons - Brienne looks for Sansa and sees her fleeing with Reek. She goes after her but then notices Stannis. She commands Pod to go after Sansa and confronts Stannis. She may or may not kill Stannis. I can't decide what I think is better. - Reek and Sansa argue whether they should flee or not. Sansa manages to convince Reek and together they jump from the walls of Winterfell. Pod wants to go after them, but is stopped and possibly even killed by Ramsay. - The Baratheon army clearly has the upper hand. Roose flees towards south. - At the end of the episode, Roose is captured by some men. It is not clear who they are at first. Then Thoros of Myr comes forward and commands the others to put a noose on Roose's neck. Roose demands an explanation. Thoros says: "you were at the Red Wedding, you killed Robb Stark" Roose: "No, I wasn't. There is no proof. I demand a fair trial." Thoros: "Oh I think you will find that there is." Lady Stoneheart comes forward. "“She don’t speak. You bloody bastards cut her throat too deep for that. But she remembers. What do you say, m’lady? Was he part of it?” Stoneheart nods and Roose gets hanged. End of the episode and end of the season. Some minor details aside, mainly Roose's behavior (I don't think he would let his guard down just cause Ramsay said he took care of things, he is too smart for that) and Sansa + Reek "jumping from the walls" (I hope you meant figuratively, cause there's no way they can actually jump down walls which are meant to withstand a siege), I have to say... If this stuff all happens, I'm probably gonna die happily immediatly after the credits. Cause this finale would be perfect. Still, what do you think would be a good sequence for these scenes? FTW clearly would have to happen immediately before Roose's fate, to pack up the final minutes of the season... So, Battle of Ice-FTW-LS?
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 13, 2015 13:34:54 GMT
Coldhands is more important than zombie Cat. Agree to disagree
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 13, 2015 10:53:26 GMT
I wouldn't be inclined to suggest that Nutter saying that made him a jackass. There are tons of other characters that could make an appearance in 510 who haven't been seen for a few episodes that he's much more likely talking about. BriPod for instance who we know will be in the ep. after something of a long hiatus. Or the Tyrell siblinds for instance. The Greyjoys are another option, though less likely than those I mentioned previously. All of them are more likely than LSH though. Nothing he said screams LSH to me and as I've said previously, y'all would be better-served by preparing for her exclusion yet again rather than hyping for her inclusion. It would be better to appreciate 510 for what it will be, rather than for what it wasn't. I agree partially, but hear me on this: This guy directed 309. He directed Red Wedding. There's no way he is not aware of LS. And to have an interview and say stuff like "yeah characters you've not seen for a while returning" and "you'll feel like you won't miss anything in the episode" with that awareness... is either foreshadowing, or a big dick move, imho. EDIT: ninja'd xD
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 13, 2015 10:06:25 GMT
Guys on IMDB someone pointed out this: Nutter is either completely unaware of Stoneheart.. Or perfect in the arts of trolling. If she's not in this guy's a jackass Yes he'd definitely be a jackass. Also, Nutter directed the RW. He cannot be unaware, for Christ's sake.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 13, 2015 9:39:54 GMT
Guys on IMDB someone pointed out this:
Nutter is either completely unaware of Stoneheart.. Or perfect in the arts of trolling.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 12, 2015 17:50:46 GMT
Sorry guys, I know this is too soon.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 12, 2015 11:45:26 GMT
The last time I refreshed a page so often was when I was waiting for the results of my admission to uni. That, and when I was waiting for the amazingly disappointing Dexter series finale to appear online.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 12, 2015 11:20:48 GMT
Guys, why are we obsessing over Tyrion's "you betrayed her"? It's likely just him talking to Jorah about what happened in the past.
And the guy who wrote that clearly got his infos from someone else, he didn't watch the episode in person, so details like Robert Strong missing or no mentions to Selyse are not so determining imho.
It's still probably a fake, but those things don't prove it.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 12, 2015 10:59:03 GMT
The guy is likely reporting infos stated by someone who accessed the leak. So yeah, third hand spoilers. Take them with a grain of salt, no metter how awesome they sound.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 12, 2015 10:54:50 GMT
MAJOR SPOILER ALERT:- SUMMARY OF EPISOD 10 *Open with Volonqar prophesy. *Cut to Cersei losing her resolve in the black cells. *Three bros scene with Jorah/Tyrion/Daario on the stairs in front of Danny's throne, wondering wtf to do. *Braavos scene with Arya looking at faces, heading out to kill the thin man. She instead heads to the brothel to deal with Trant. This scene may be split into two parts, with the actual kill occurring later. Not sure how the time will allow in the episode. Either way, Arya's list gets shorter this episode. *Wall scene with Jon discussing wildling issues with Sam, possibly intervening between some altercation between Alliser and Tormund. Davos shows up and requests support for Stannis. Obligatory Olly hate-stare. *Stannis camp wakes to melting snow. Mel thanks the Lol and they march on Winterfell. *Winterfell scene with Ramsay's return, bragging to Roose. Sansa attempts to break down Theon. She still has that corkscrew, maybe she finds a way to use it on Ramsay? *Dorne scene with Jaime leaving for KL with Bronn, Trystane, and Myrcella. Slight chance of Doran's reveal speech given to Ellaria and Snakes. *King's Landing scene with Cersei confessing to HS. Not to everything, maybe just infidelity and perjury? Walk of Shame scene immediately follows to much critical acclaim. *Dany with Drogon meeting the khalasar. Back to Winterfell. Stannis' army has arrived, and there is lots of commotion inside WF. This might be the actual moment Sansa uses the corkscrew, in the chaos. Brienne finds herself innthe midst of the battle, trying to save Sansa, but instead encounters Stannis. Epic fight which ends in Stannis' death. Theon rescues Sansa and flees the battle. *The Wall. It's time. A raven arrives with news of Shireen's sacrifice. This news drives Davos crazy, but more importantly it sets the NW off. That's the king they assisted and that Jon wants to send support for? Last straw. Olly stabs Jon, followed by others. *Outside Winterfell. Brienne talks with Pod about what she should do next. She learns of Sansa's escape with the betrayer Theon, and heads off in pursuit. Very quickly, she encounters a group of men who have captured Roose Bolton. They have him in a noose. The leader of the men turn to a hooded figure asking what to do. Close up of a very decayed but still identifiable Catelyn Stark who whispers, "death." Cut to black. This was posted into the FB spoiler group. This sounds too generic and vague to be legit... Still, I'd probably love it so I'm very conflicted right now. Roose hanged by LS? Gimme that shit right now
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 12, 2015 10:30:58 GMT
That's one of the most inaccurate parallels I've ever seen xD
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 23:51:18 GMT
Jesus Christ Superstar.
This stuff is heavy. I hope the text part is fake, though. FTW is definitely happening, apparently, but I really don't like Brienne killing Stannis and both the Boltons. If it gets confirmed, this finale looks grim as hell.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 16:55:30 GMT
So... Wildlings present during FTW? I am confused. Unless...
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 16:48:36 GMT
My original line "HBO is going to force..." meant that D&D only want 7 seasons and HBO will step up and make it worth their while to tell an additional half of season or full season. That's where I was coming from. HBO won't want this series to finish. But if they are smart, they start working on another series from ASOIAF World (another time setting) and I believe they will. Too much cash to not to keep making episodes. But D&D are done at 7 or 8 seasons. Well this is embarassing then xD I intended it as a "HBO will force D&D to wrap it up in season 8 tops". I apologize, I wrote half a book of useless explanations because of a misunderstanding xD I don't think anyone thinks they have to finish in 3 seasons for any reason other than the fact that D&D have said that's how long it will take. Of course it could go longer, but there's no real reason to assume it will. That is clear to me now xD Please forgive the Pasta eater xD Unsullied don't expect it. Exactly: they don't but book-readers do. That's why I believe that to "break the internet", this finale has to show something unexpected by everyone, to shock unsullied and book-readers both. That, or D&D are underestimating the audience again, which is entirely possible. Are those Wildlings or Night Watchers in the background? They look like Wildlings to me but I might be wrong °_°
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 15:30:38 GMT
10 seasons is not happening. 10 seasons is what GRRM and HBO would like, but pretty much everything D&D have said has made it abundantly clear that the series will end with 8 seasons, max. I am aware of that. Again, my point was just that D&D have no restraints whatsoever regarding le lenght of the show. If they wanted to do 10 seasons they could. So the whole "they have to finish in three seasons" is not a thing, period. Sorry if I expressed myself in a misleading way, I'm pretty good with the english lenguage but I come from Pizza Country after all XD I don't think we spend this much time with Thorne telling Jon that he's making a mistake with the Wildlings, emphasizing his lack of support within the NW and having both he and Sam give Olly the "sometimes we have to do things that are unpopular for the greater good" speech to not follow through on FTW this season. They even let Jon get back to the Wall an episode early (which they could have easily delayed until the finale if that's where they wanted to end things for him this season. Just too many dirty looks, cryptic comments and foreshadowing for this to not be depicted this season. My only concern is if the plan is to have the finale end exactly where Jon's last ADwD ends (with him seemingly dead). That's a pretty crushing blow to deliver to the fanbase in a season where they've had to watch a fair amount of misery. I don't think he'll necessarily be resurrected on the spot per se, but I wonder if they'll imply something ambiguous that will lead the audience to believe he will be resurrected. I know it's pretty much confirmed, and that's why I am not 100% convinced. I am convinced that, to "break the internet", they can't just show something we all expect to see. I think that if we see FTW next sunfay, it will have something unexpected added to it (like, as you said, a hint on Jon's fate that goes beyond ADWD and makes Linda lose her shit again xD). And if we don't see FTW, then something else will happen. Something other than FTW that is gonna shock all of the audience, not only the Unsullied.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 15:06:53 GMT
D&D have stated time and time again that the story they are telling will not need 10 or 9 seasons to end, they've been working toward 7 seasons for quite some time. That's how they've structured the story out. Could there be some wiggle room for an extended 7th season that has say 15-16 episodes that get split up? Sure. But that's it. Of course HBO would love to have GoT run much longer than that because it's a huge cash cow but they have gone on the record (before this season) that they will adhere to whatever the wishes are for D&D in terms of the amount of time they need to tell the story. Sure, I am aware of what their intentions are/were. My point was: HBO is not going to impose any kind of episode limit on D&D's writing. Their goal was to make seven seasons, and might as well still be, but should their planning create the need for a season 8 or season 9, they'll do it with no pressure from the network. My argument was to negate the "they have to finish in 7-8 seasons" idea, which does not exist. Perhaps I should have written "10 seasons (wich imho is more likely)", I apologize for that. But I really think we won't see an ending in two years with season 7... And my bets aren't on season 8 either. If the current seasons does not end with FTW but postpones it to season 6, that is. And I am getting a no-FTW vibe from this season finale, so I guess we'll see
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 14:34:12 GMT
They definitely put a large dent into the last two books this season, no question about it. I think HBO will really force D&D into an 8th season (or 8th year calling it Season 7 Part 2). 75-80 episodes will be wrap. That still gives them about 25-30 episodes to work with. Plenty of time to iron out the end game IMO. Uh, I think you have a bit of confusion regarding how tv shows and renewals work. Usually, a show gets renewed for the next season at the end of the previous one, depending on the scores and the number of viewers the show has. Usually the big series like Breaking Bad practically have an assured renewal waiting for them at the end of the season, so it's more of a formality in most cases. There are some exceptions, and Game of Thrones is one of them, in which the series gets renewed for more than just one season, because the viewers and the scores are so high that the network (in this case, HBO) wants to work ahead and plan the contracts with actors, location providers and crews with a two year-margin. When a series goes very well, the network puts more money in its making, in order to make even more money. Game of Thrones saw its viewers grow of an astonishing 400% from season 1 to season 4, so last year HBO renewed GoT for season 5 and 6 instead of just season 6, and started investing and planning the whole thing. It's not impossible that already this year we'll get notice of a renewal for season 7 and 8. Now, all of this explanation is to clear the road for what I'm about to say: There is no such thing as an episode limit. There's no "season 8 will be called season 7 part 2" or "they'll have 25 episodes to end the series" or "they'll have one season to adapt book 7" or anything even remotely similar to that. As long as the network is gonna fund the series (and they are basically printing money thanks to GoT, so that's assured) and the actors are gonna accept the larger and larger amounts of money they will be offered to reprise their roles, the series will go on for all the time that it needs. D&D and expecially HBO are gonna take their time with this series, I guarantee it. It is a gold mine for them, as well for the actors. Proof is theyy are sticking to the 10-episodes a year formula: it costs them a certain amount of money and time, it repays them fifteen times over, and grants that the series will be longer than with 13 episodes a year. So, making predictions based on "but then they'll only have one season to adapt this and that" is a bit silly. If GoT will need eight seasons to end, it will have 8 seasons. If it will need 10 seasons (which is more likely), it will definitely have 10 seasons. And that's something we can be sure of.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 13:52:45 GMT
. The only thing is that the writers said the last scene of the season is from the published book, so that montage can be penultimate scene. The last scene of the season is either FTW or book 3 epilogue imho and given how depressing this season was I think it's a bad idea to end with FTW Absolutely yes. I have the feeling we'll get the montage cliffhanger between the Walk and the final scene, wich I hope will be LS but not exactly as in book 3 epilogue, because I think they'll show us LS though another character's meeting her. I have the feeling this season will live the Siege of Winterfell to next season, along with some other storyline from AFFC/ADWD. Next season I think we'll have: - Jon's storyline at the Wall and FTW (which I think will not happen this sunday)
- Stannis's storyline and Siege of Winterfell
- Original material/TWOW material for Tyrion, Cersei, Sansa and Dany
- AFFC/ADWD storylines and beyond for the Riverlands (Jaimie, Brienne and hopefully LS), Sam's journey and the Greyjoys, which will take Dorne's and Winterfell's place (as the northern storylines of Winterfell and Stannis will probably unite with the ending of the Siege).
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 12:06:52 GMT
Here is my speculation guess or something like that. Sansa and Theon escape and Sansa kills Myranda. They jump from the walls and meet BriPod. BriPod get them to safety (i.e. STANNIS THE MANNIS), but Pod dies because of Rams. Ramsay attack Stannis and gets captured. Stannis orders Roose to surrender, or he shall kill his bastard. Roose says I give no fucks. Sorry man, but there's a problem in your prediction: Brienne freaking hates Stannis and wanna kill the hell outta him xD I do like the "Stannis captures Ramsay but Bolton gives no fucks" though. A bit classic but would set up nicely for Ramsay next season. My predictions is that finale ends on cliffhangers regarding everyone in Northern storyline I fear your predictions are right, Sati. There is way too much stuff in this episode to feature full-scale siege/battle. Imho we'll get Stannis facing Ramsay and maybe capturing him, but not engaging Winterfell until next season. We'll probably get Sansa escaping (with or without Theon) and meeting Brienne (and possibly LS). I really feel like the "final montage" idea could be a thing. "The wars to come" would serve the purpose well. ... I am still skeptical about FTW. Something in my guts tells me we're not gonna see what we expect to see. FTW sounds too obvious to break the internet at this point
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 11, 2015 10:39:36 GMT
Interesting, how dragonflies have different reputations in different cultures. Dragonflies also share the element of water with the Tully trouts. Guys, you're really looking too much into this thing xD
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