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Post by kuroitheblack on May 8, 2016 18:49:14 GMT
While I was thinking about Arya's list for the spoilers topic I realized something that worried me. It's something that was probably pointed out already, but I'd like to ask for some second opinions here.
I was thinking about Sophie and Maisie's "two truths and a lie" game:
Sophie: - LSH is in S5 - Ramsay dies - Arya crosses three names off her list
Maisie: - Arya gets back to Westeros - Arya appears in the trailer while in disguise - Arya doesn't cross anyone from her list
Now, Ramsay probably dies in 609 or 610 (I'd say there's a high chance of this being a truth). Arya appearing in the trailers with another face is something so specific it's probably also true, as for Arya getting back to Westeros (since it's been heavily rumored), so we basically know that she does cross someone off her list. This means that only one of the remaining two sentences is tue: either Arya crosses 3 names off her list (then LSH is out), or she crosses any different amount of names off her list (resulting in Sophie and Maisie both lying about Arya's list, and thus making LSH appear in the show).
If Arya's list in the Show is retconned to include all the names she mentioned in 405, but were left out in 502, that means she could just kill even one among Cersei, Walder Frey, the Mountain, Thoros of Myr or the Red Woman (we'll live Ilyn Payne out since he's not part of the show anymore) to make both Sophie and Maisie's sentences about her list false, thus giving us Stoneheart. My money, in this case, would be on Thoros.
If the list (as rumored) is still the shortened-down one from 502, it means Arya has to kill at least one between Walder Frey, the Mountain and Cersei, but not all three of them (which is implausible anyway), for our Lady to be in the show! In this case, my money would be on Walder Frey, who could die in the rumored Red Wedding 2.0. Note that they mentioned Arya "crossing names off her list" and not strictly being the one who kill them.
We could also be wrong since Ramsay could survive this season, but that would mean that three people on Arya's list would have to die this season (and she should know about their death), which is totally not gonna happen if you ask me. Or Maisie could have lied about Arya in Westeros and Arya face-changing, but those two things seem really probable.
In short, if the list is made of just three names tonight, then it's plausible that either Arya kills/knows of the death of Walder Frey/Cersei/the Mountain, or LSH isn't in the show.
What do you guys think?
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 8, 2016 18:13:49 GMT
leaving out Ilyn Payne (likely because he's been written out of the show due to Wilko Johnson's incurable cancer), Wilko Johnson is still alive and the claim is that he is cured , but he still is recovering don't expect to see him back. In the books Arya , at their parting, had a chance to kill the hound but did not. She was later troubled by leaving him out of her litany , and I can't remember if that comes up again in the books. The show kept that narrative , to point of not killing him , but leaving him to die (leaving him to die was in the books too). I wonder if book wise and show wise it points to her meeting him again? Yeah I heard he allegedly was cured with experimental treatment, which of course would be really nice for him At the time though, rumor had it that he had something like 9-12 months to live, and quit acting in order to cure himself and spend time with his family. Even if he's cured, I still doubt they'll bring Ser Ilyn back into the show at this point. I think that if the rumors are true and Arya does come back to Westeros this year, it's highly plausible that she could meet the barely-survived Hound in the Riverlands.
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 8, 2016 17:50:46 GMT
Bringing the Hound's death back up makes me hope for his return with Meribald later this season. Also, show!Arya's list supposedly should still include Ilynn Payne, the Red Woman, Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion in addition to Cersei, the Mountain and Walder Frey. It's quite possible that the leaker and/or the spanish guy and/or the translator just omitted the full list, i highly doubt they're gonna retcon them out of Arya's murderplans. Plus, Thoros is gonna reappear this season, so this would be a good chance for reminding viewers of his name (Melisandre already mentioned him but just as "a Priest" if i remember correctly). And, if I'm mistaken and they truly made Arya forget the fact that she hated the guts of 4 MORE PEOPLE, then: A) This show would just reach a new level of dumbness and audience-underestimation. and B) that would resolve the "2 truths and a lie" thing, since there's no way Cersei, the Mountain AND Walder Frey die this season. I think Arya's list changed in the show before :/ It was definitely different in s2 and in s3, from what I recall. I actually did some fast rewatch and research on Arya's list in the show, and it definitely shows several inconsistencies: - She starts to recite her list in 204 ( Garden of Bones), while in Harrenhal. At first she includes Joffrey, Cersei and Ilyn Payne for his father's death, and The Hound for Micah the butcher's boy. Later in the episode she adds Polliver for killing Lommy and The Mountain for his cruelty against Harrenhal prisoners. - In 305 ( Kissed by Fire) she recites the list again while she's by the fire with Thoros of Myr, and here the problems begin. While Arya obviously mentions Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, and The Hound, she skips Polliver and The Mountain, probably because the writers just forgot they were added to the original list. The sad part is that both characters end up being mentioned again as part of her list later on (when she meets Polliver again in S4, she is firmly convinced he's on her list, and the Mountain pops up again in 405), so this is definitely on the writers. She also adds Ser Meryn Trant to her list for the (probable) death of Syrio Forel in S1. - She recites her list once more in 405 ( First of His Name), while camping with Sandor, and here it looks like she added quite a few names to it: she mentions Joffrey, Cersei, Meryn Trant, Ilyn Payne, The Mountain (who returns on the list), and The Hound (Polliver is dropped due to Arya killing him in 401). She also mentions for the first time on-screen Tywin Lannister and Walder Frey (for the Red Wedding), the Red Woman (for taking Gendry), Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr (for selling Gendry to Melisandre and letting the Hound go free). Given the way she recites the names, it's implied she's had these new names on her list for quite some time already, and this is only the first time we hear her listing them on-screen. This is the longest the list has ever been (and will ever be) in the show. - Finally, she lists her enemies once again in 502 ( The House of Black and White), with some major cuts. She only mentions Cersei, Walder Frey, The Mountain and Meryn Trant, leaving out Ilyn Payne (likely because he's been written out of the show due to Wilko Johnson's incurable cancer), Tywin Lannister (who died, obviously, but whose death cannot be known to Arya. This was probably done to save the dumb american viewers some confusion), Beric and Thoros (who were probably written out of the show at the time, along with the whole LSH storyline. Thinking about this after one year really made me smirk, I have to say!), and most notably the Red Woman (without any reason whatsoever except trying to make the viewers forget about their encounter, since it would have also reminded them of Thoros and Beric... yeah, this is lame). She also drops Joffrey and The Hound since she knows (or believes ) both are dead. This bring us to tonight. One could argue that the most recent list is to be considered the valid one; that would mean that, with Arya killing off Ser Meryn in 510, the list would consequently count just three names: Cersei, Walder Frey and the Mountain. However, I really hope they retcon this to S4 (hell, it's not the first time anyway) and mention Beric, Thoros and Mel (I think we can all live with Ser Ilyn being cut from the show), even just to continue the mentions to the Brotherhood and fuel our hope for LSH's storyline to make its debut. This being said, even if she doesn't mention them, I would just take it as sloppy writing and not as any kind of confirmation. EDIT: sorry for the long post everyone
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 8, 2016 12:52:34 GMT
Bringing the Hound's death back up makes me hope for his return with Meribald later this season.
Also, show!Arya's list supposedly should still include Ilynn Payne, the Red Woman, Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion in addition to Cersei, the Mountain and Walder Frey.
It's quite possible that the leaker and/or the spanish guy and/or the translator just omitted the full list, i highly doubt they're gonna retcon them out of Arya's murderplans. Plus, Thoros is gonna reappear this season, so this would be a good chance for reminding viewers of his name (Melisandre already mentioned him but just as "a Priest" if i remember correctly).
And, if I'm mistaken and they truly made Arya forget the fact that she hated the guts of 4 MORE PEOPLE, then:
A) This show would just reach a new level of dumbness and audience-underestimation. and B) that would resolve the "2 truths and a lie" thing, since there's no way Cersei, the Mountain AND Walder Frey die this season.
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 6, 2016 13:34:09 GMT
I think the series biggest issue is bad planning. Her showing up this late may work considering she will now have stuff do to/episodes left ratio that wont be disapoitting or make people say she is underutilized ( hopefully). BUT stuff like bringing RW vengence and North Remembers stiorylines 3 seasons after the deed when they didnt set it up at all other than various Catelyn mentions, mention of Lyanna Mormont and one old lady aid to Sansa is poor planning Agree with this. And to be honest unless the Northerners are pulling a fast one on the Boltons hard, I don't think the show is doing a great job with the North Remembers story line at this point (maybe because it's my favorite part of A Dance with Dragons). Poor planning might work in their favor with this one because for the unsullied, when she does appear, it will feel like out of nowhere and shocking. This will be a much bigger shock than Jon.I think, as someone else already pointed out, that this is the biggest strenght point in terms of surprise for the unsullied audience: just as people were all over the place with the whole "Lady Stoneheart would deminish Jon's resurrection" nonsense, now I have the feeling we will deal with something along the rails but absolutely different (and better): nobody is expecting to see another resurrection this year (or ever), for Jon Snow's case is a special one and was so heavily anticipated that it would be absurd for anyone to expect something like this to happen again for another major character this season. Cat's reappearence will (would?) come completely unexpected, and will have a major shocking value for the viewers, for her resurrected looks will be completely different from what the resurrected Jon looks like. Everybody thinks they have already witnessed the major character's resurrection for the season, so they'll not expect Cat to return. And, moreover, not like this.
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 6, 2016 11:32:53 GMT
This hurts, sati In my defense you werent here for a long time Yeah It's understandable, I was making a scene To get back on track (ba-dum tss), I have to say I am actually kinda glad our lady shows up in this season and not in the fifth one. It feels like her role is gonna have much better presentation and anticipation. Plus Riverlands are back, Freys are back... everything seems to point in a better presentation that just some 2 minutes cliffhanger at the end of season 4/5. Now, if she's really in, it looks like she's gonna be properly introduced, at least, and that's only because she's introduced this season. Does anyone feel the same about this?
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 6, 2016 10:27:09 GMT
If I'm holding anyone it's Basil, Archie or Carol. The only ones who never left the train Why are people abandoning the train on the last minute? Is the train about to crash? fuck it, I ain't quitting. WE'RE NOT LEAVING YOU CAPTAIN ALL HAIL THE LADY'S HYPE TRAIN This hurts, sati
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 6, 2016 0:30:38 GMT
I'm so on this train I even forgot what the meaning of the word "brakes" is.
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 3, 2016 11:04:14 GMT
I know Oathbreaker is supposed to be be this big tease for her, but I see no way she can show up yet. Bri is still with Sansa. Jaime is still with Cersei. Maybe she'll just be on her own, hanging someone. I thought Oathbreaker was referred to Jon, actually. As in: Jon is called an Oathbreaker by Thorne or Olly or whatever for defying the Watch's traditions, and he (or Davos, what the hell) answers something on the lines of "an oath ends with someone's death, and I/he died" so Jon is now free to raid the Wildlings and his allies against Ramsey to retake Winterfell. Honestly, as much as I STILL BELIEVE we're getting the "second unexpected resurrection" plot-twist (as others have explained in detail), I don't see it coming before the second half of the season, given that Jaimie and Brienne both still have to even mention the Riverlands, where all of that hopefully will take place. That's just my two cents though
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 2, 2016 8:16:04 GMT
And kudos to Alexander Siddig for... well, you know. Absolutely, but at least he was in 510. We didn't see Balon for 21 episodes straight, that's something. by the way I love how shockingly underwhelming the War of the Five Kings' conclusion turned out to be: not a huge-ass battle for the crown, but a systematic murdering of all the pretenders. The only one who got to die in battle was Stannis. And that says something about his claims to the throne, i think: wasn't he misguided by his faith in the Red God, he truly would have been the rightful king (or so I like to think)
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 2, 2016 7:59:29 GMT
I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but kudos to Patrick Malahide for returning as Balon after three seasons only to die five minutes later.
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 1, 2016 22:59:45 GMT
Well I think it's reasonable. I'm kinda used to this since my gf has been working shifts since forever.
I guess I'll play some Dark Souls while I wait
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 1, 2016 22:50:31 GMT
So how're you guys prepping up for the episode? I've got myself some sushi takeout from the restaurant two blocks away and now I'm just sitting here waiting for the girl to come home from the shift to eat it
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Post by kuroitheblack on May 1, 2016 22:05:39 GMT
Nezzer and @rooseisazorhai , I'm surprised both of you guys aren't in pre-game mourning for Roose. I know for a fact that I quite am.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Apr 24, 2016 15:57:17 GMT
I can't open that link for some reason. Anyone want to give the Sparknotes version? Anything interesting? Well, Brienne pledges to Sansa the same way she did to Cat so there will be a shitload of heartbreaking parallel gifs on tumblr tomorrow I know for a thing I'll contribute to that firsthand XD ps: hey everyone, i'm back after a while. ready for another season together
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 22, 2015 21:43:53 GMT
So then I says, *hiccup* I says, "fewer!" Is that Carice wearing cat ears? I think it's one of the waitresses, but I can't realy tell :/ What I know for sure is that Kristofer's beard is always awesome
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 22, 2015 15:00:13 GMT
That moment when, to convince Jon to lend him men, Stannis got totally wasted with the NW.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 21, 2015 15:30:10 GMT
I like what this audition implies: bringing Dany's storyline into the whole "chosen one" scheme might suggest thet Azor Ahai might (finally) be a central theme in season 6.
If it is, it's easy to add this to the other details we have about season 6 and speculate a little further about what's gonna happen. For instance, if the One Who Was Promised and the Lord of Light were to be central themes of next season, it's gonna be very interesting to see how this might impact on Melisandre's role in Jon's storyline after she (presumably) revives him. Also, Riverlands are coming back, and (hopefully) the Brotherhood Without Banners with them, so Thoros of Myr might be explored a little more. It's a little early to jump on yet another LS hype train, but who knows.
With this new priestess in Mereen, we might end up having three Lord of Light-connected characters to bring the Red God's involvement in the plot to the next level: let's not forget that Azor Ahai is not even mentioned with this name in the tv series, and is mentioned as the Lord's Chosen only in relation to Stannis, so it would be a very nice thing to start hearing his name (or title, whatever) mentioned by other people around the world, in relation to Dany, Jon and whoever the hell Thoros thinks Azor Ahai'll be.
I know it's a bit early and vague, my point is that it'd be nice to see R'hllor and the Chosen One start being prominent next season in anticipation for the Great War against the WW.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 20, 2015 0:54:35 GMT
This is very reminiscent of that scene from Deathly Hallows in the snowy woods, with the (doe, not Stag mind you) patronus leading Harry to the sword I love this, in so many ways. The ghostly stag and doe don't just symbolise the deaths of Stannis and Selyse, but the complete extinction of House Baratheon. Oh and I just spotted a third doe in the background that looks young, so that is probably Shireen. Heartbreaking piece. And I guess this also seals the deal, if there was ever any doubt. Beautiful Death is official HBO, yes? Right, I didn't spot the third deer in the far background, and assumed the older Stag and the younger fawn were Robert and Renly. But now that you pointed out the third one (and the fact that it's a stag and two does, one of them a very young one)... it's definitely Stannis, Selyse and Shireen. And I'm definitely in pain. Also, it's very nice to see Shireen appear (albeit allegorically) in this, after many complained about last week's BeautifulDeath was dedicated to Daznak Pit instead. Robert Ball delivers no matter what. Btw yes, it's official HBO material on commission, so this pretty much settles the question on both Stannis' and Jon's fate I guess.
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Post by kuroitheblack on Jun 19, 2015 23:14:13 GMT
I'm not. You know, considering. Me too. I was really afraid they might do one for Jon and that would have everyone freaking out more about the implications. I'm also glad they gave a tribute to Stannis. Preach. Btw I love the iconicity of this art: he doesn't show us the body, just the scar the sword left on the tree. And the two deers: the older stag and the younger fawn, waiting for their brother to join them... That's a huge amount of dirt in my eyes, dammit.
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