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Post by Admin on May 4, 2015 11:08:49 GMT
You could have Littlefinger say a lot of things to Sansa. The fact that they took a crucial goodbye scene between them and had LF use it to tell her (and the audience) the Tourney of Harrenhal story is a huge deal. There's no other narrative use of that story other than to hammer the point home that Rhaegar was really into Lyanna. And did you SEE that odd look he gave Sansa after she said "Yes, then he kidnapped her and raped her..." ?! I mean, maybe we're really grasping at straws here, but I could have sworn he was about to say something and then thought better of it and said "Come, lets talk where the dead can't hear us ..." and led her out of the crypt which even that was pretty freaking suggestive! When I saw the ep I panicked because it occurred to me they are setting LF as the one who knows the truth and will reveal him in his Dark Knight voice
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 11:59:00 GMT
I know that there are some people within the fandom who think that Jon isn't the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, but Daenerys is. I do not subscribe to this in any capacity, but... did this scene from 401(?) send those theorists into a craze? Dat blue winter rose. Hehe - it's D&D's way of getting the "blue flower grew out of a chink of ice and filled the air with sweetness" bit from the HOTU into the show.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 8, 2015 7:11:48 GMT
And did you SEE that odd look he gave Sansa after she said "Yes, then he kidnapped her and raped her..." ?! I mean, maybe we're really grasping at straws here, but I could have sworn he was about to say something and then thought better of it and said "Come, lets talk where the dead can't hear us ..." and led her out of the crypt which even that was pretty freaking suggestive! When I saw the ep I panicked because it occurred to me they are setting LF as the one who knows the truth and will reveal him in his Dark Knight voice Seven save us. The Sansan shippers have been bitching for years about him telling her Sandor's backstory, but I'm more annoyed he got to deliver Ned's memory. It's annoying he even got to be in that crypt. One of those restless spirits should have attacked the intruder.
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2015 8:11:16 GMT
When I saw the ep I panicked because it occurred to me they are setting LF as the one who knows the truth and will reveal him in his Dark Knight voice Seven save us. The Sansan shippers have been bitching for years about him telling her Sandor's backstory, but I'm more annoyed he got to deliver Ned's memory. It's annoying he even got to be in that crypt. One of those restless spirits should have attacked the intruder. LF is like some sort supernatural entity that knows everyone's secrets except for intel on the guy who runs around flaying people and cutting their dicks off
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 8, 2015 10:01:08 GMT
Seven save us. The Sansan shippers have been bitching for years about him telling her Sandor's backstory, but I'm more annoyed he got to deliver Ned's memory. It's annoying he even got to be in that crypt. One of those restless spirits should have attacked the intruder. LF is like some sort supernatural entity that knows everyone's secrets except for intel on the guy who runs around flaying people and cutting their dicks off That is the dumbest thing about this, he doesn't even have to know anything about Ramsay's hunts, Roose is a flayer and Stark betrayer so why should his son be any better? And Ramsay's public flayings should be easy enough to find out about anyway. LF is all about knowing what people want and not trusting people and now suddenly he's more trusting than Ned Stark was with him.
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2015 10:09:41 GMT
LF is like some sort supernatural entity that knows everyone's secrets except for intel on the guy who runs around flaying people and cutting their dicks off That is the dumbest thing about this, he doesn't even have to know anything about Ramsay's hunts, Roose is a flayer and Stark betrayer so why should his son be any better? And Ramsay's public flayings should be easy enough to find out about anyway. LF is all about knowing what people want and not trusting people and now suddenly he's more trusting than Ned Stark was with him. If he outmaneuvers Olenna that's gonna be so dumb. Thank God at least the writers didn't have Roose fooled by him.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 11:18:13 GMT
Seven save us. The Sansan shippers have been bitching for years about him telling her Sandor's backstory, but I'm more annoyed he got to deliver Ned's memory. It's annoying he even got to be in that crypt. One of those restless spirits should have attacked the intruder. LF is like some sort supernatural entity that knows everyone's secrets except for intel on the guy who runs around flaying people and cutting their dicks off Knows the secrets of everyone except Ramsay Bolton
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Post by Admin on May 8, 2015 11:20:43 GMT
LF is like some sort supernatural entity that knows everyone's secrets except for intel on the guy who runs around flaying people and cutting their dicks off Knows the secrets of everyone except Ramsay Bolton I especially love how the ONE person who is hidden from LF's radar is the dude who has a chick eaten by the dogs out in the open But I do hope L+R is hidden from he too, he doesn't deserve to be the one to reveal it
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Post by day dreamer on May 8, 2015 18:48:11 GMT
LF is like some sort supernatural entity that knows everyone's secrets except for intel on the guy who runs around flaying people and cutting their dicks off That is the dumbest thing about this, he doesn't even have to know anything about Ramsay's hunts, Roose is a flayer and Stark betrayer so why should his son be any better? And Ramsay's public flayings should be easy enough to find out about anyway. LF is all about knowing what people want and not trusting people and now suddenly he's more trusting than Ned Stark was with him. Plus you'd think Ramsay doing something as insane as cutting off Theon's dick and sending it to Balon Greyjoy would be something that probably gets around pretty fast. Especially if Yara rallied men to go get him after that.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 21:10:03 GMT
That is the dumbest thing about this, he doesn't even have to know anything about Ramsay's hunts, Roose is a flayer and Stark betrayer so why should his son be any better? And Ramsay's public flayings should be easy enough to find out about anyway. LF is all about knowing what people want and not trusting people and now suddenly he's more trusting than Ned Stark was with him. Plus you'd think Ramsay doing something as insane as cutting off Theon's dick and sending it to Balon Greyjoy would be something that probably gets around pretty fast. Especially if Yara rallied men to go get him after that. I guess that Balon and Yara didn't spread the information when they got the package. Yara told to those 50 "best killers" (absolute joke) and no one else. She p robably didn't even tell them about the dick. Balon told no one. I can't imagine him shouting around "MY SON HAS NO DICK ANYMORE, THAT BASTARD CUT IT OFF", Euron would piss himself laughing if he heard about that.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 21:25:32 GMT
Knows the secrets of everyone except Ramsay Bolton I especially love how the ONE person who is hidden from LF's radar is the dude who has a chick eaten by the dogs out in the open But I do hope L+R is hidden from he too, he doesn't deserve to be the one to reveal it This is one of the beefs I've had with the show as well. Ramsay's reputation was well known in the books, even without Littlefinger's spies. They missed a good opportunity for exposition on this in the show is my opinion. Word could have gotten back about Roose legitimizing his bastard son and how bad that is for the north considering how insane the man is - would have been a nice setup but I guess they're just going for the reality we know from him having already done quite a bit on screen that he never did directly in the books, we only read about it from others talking about it. Again, as others have said, maybe it's implicitly known Ramsay is a monster, even by Littlefinger and he's willing to risk leaving Sansa with him. Sad but true - after his ladder speech we have to suspect Littlefinger has no real feelings and everything's part of the act to climb the ladder.
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Post by day dreamer on May 9, 2015 12:07:14 GMT
Plus you'd think Ramsay doing something as insane as cutting off Theon's dick and sending it to Balon Greyjoy would be something that probably gets around pretty fast. Especially if Yara rallied men to go get him after that. I guess that Balon and Yara didn't spread the information when they got the package. Yara told to those 50 "best killers" (absolute joke) and no one else. She p robably didn't even tell them about the dick. Balon told no one. I can't imagine him shouting around "MY SON HAS NO DICK ANYMORE, THAT BASTARD CUT IT OFF", Euron would piss himself laughing if he heard about that. I'm assuming one of Ramsay's men delivered it and probably knew what it was. He could've run his mouth too. I just don't buy Showfinger not knowing ANYTHING about Ramsay. It's ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 12:14:17 GMT
I guess that Balon and Yara didn't spread the information when they got the package. Yara told to those 50 "best killers" (absolute joke) and no one else. She p robably didn't even tell them about the dick. Balon told no one. I can't imagine him shouting around "MY SON HAS NO DICK ANYMORE, THAT BASTARD CUT IT OFF", Euron would piss himself laughing if he heard about that. I'm assuming one of Ramsay's men delivered it and probably knew what it was. He could've run his mouth too. I just don't buy Showfinger not knowing ANYTHING about Ramsay. It's ridiculous. He MUST know about Ramsay. He just lies about it. Sansa wouldn't be encouraged by the fact that she's marrying the worst monster Westeros has ever seen.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:43:46 GMT
I will be unhappy to see either Mel or LF reveal Jon's parentage, but I'm realistic enough to know that doesn't mean it won't happen. If it's LF to Sansa, though, I'm not sure how that will go over with her (tv only, wouldn't be Martin's way). She's the one who had the least affection for Jon and is embarrassed that their family would include a bastard.
We haven't seen Bran for quite some time, not since he arrived at BR's, and I'd love it if Bran were the one to make the discovery, but then I'm not sure how he'd be able to communicate it to Jon or anyone else. Neither Meera nor Hodor is going anywhere anytime soon. No time in tvland to introduce Howland Reed. I think best bet is via a dream when Jon is unconscious, as igrewupinkl posted, but then how will he convince anyone else?
So, in other words, I have no clue. But it's absolutely the #1 thing I'm looking forward to, and I will be completely beside myself when we finally get it.
PS - I just thought about the theory that Tyrion is also a Targ. I really like the idea that Jon, Tyrion, and Dany will be the three dragon riders. Anybody else think that's a foregone conclusion?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 1:00:49 GMT
I will be unhappy to see either Mel or LF reveal Jon's parentage, but I'm realistic enough to know that doesn't mean it won't happen. If it's LF to Sansa, though, I'm not sure how that will go over with her (tv only, wouldn't be Martin's way). She's the one who had the least affection for Jon and is embarrassed that their family would include a bastard. We haven't seen Bran for quite some time, not since he arrived at BR's, and I'd love it if Bran were the one to make the discovery, but then I'm not sure how he'd be able to communicate it to Jon or anyone else. Neither Meera nor Hodor is going anywhere anytime soon. No time in tvland to introduce Howland Reed. I think best bet is via a dream when Jon is unconscious, as igrewupinkl posted, but then how will he convince anyone else? So, in other words, I have no clue. But it's absolutely the #1 thing I'm looking forward to, and I will be completely beside myself when we finally get it. PS - I just thought about the theory that Tyrion is also a Targ. I really like the idea that Jon, Tyrion, and Dany will be the three dragon riders. Anybody else think that's a foregone conclusion? I never really got on board with any of the secret Targ theories for Tyrion. I don't find the evidence anywhere near as believable or numerous as the wealth of clues indicating Jon's parentage. I also don't find it nearly as interesting an idea even as much as I like Tyrion and the fact he's dreamed of riding dragons as a boy. I think I like him being an important factor in the success of Dany and Jon for the future but not necessarily one of the three dragon riders. As for who will tell Jon - still anyone's guess at this point. If I had to lay money on one, it would probably be Melisandre but that doesn't make me happy.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 3:28:36 GMT
I think hope it will be Bran who makes the reveal about Jon's parentage. It could be quite eerie, haunting, if they handle it right. Jon, kneeling under a heart tree (heh, see the title of this board), lost, utterly defeated and at the end of his strength after some something-something terrible, and then the echoing, familiar voice--not just a few words, but a story. He listens, not moving, head bowed, perhaps mist and fog swirling about. And after the story is done, after a long time of Jon still and unmoving, he rises... Please, show, don't give that to Melissandre! It feels right to me that after all the 'rise of R'hollor' evidence we're seeing, that in the end, for the Starks, the Old Gods are still there for them.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:49:02 GMT
I will be unhappy to see either Mel or LF reveal Jon's parentage, but I'm realistic enough to know that doesn't mean it won't happen. If it's LF to Sansa, though, I'm not sure how that will go over with her (tv only, wouldn't be Martin's way). She's the one who had the least affection for Jon and is embarrassed that their family would include a bastard. We haven't seen Bran for quite some time, not since he arrived at BR's, and I'd love it if Bran were the one to make the discovery, but then I'm not sure how he'd be able to communicate it to Jon or anyone else. Neither Meera nor Hodor is going anywhere anytime soon. No time in tvland to introduce Howland Reed. I think best bet is via a dream when Jon is unconscious, as igrewupinkl posted, but then how will he convince anyone else? So, in other words, I have no clue. But it's absolutely the #1 thing I'm looking forward to, and I will be completely beside myself when we finally get it. PS - I just thought about the theory that Tyrion is also a Targ. I really like the idea that Jon, Tyrion, and Dany will be the three dragon riders. Anybody else think that's a foregone conclusion? I never really got on board with any of the secret Targ theories for Tyrion. I don't find the evidence anywhere near as believable or numerous as the wealth of clues indicating Jon's parentage. I also don't find it nearly as interesting an idea even as much as I like Tyrion and the fact he's dreamed of riding dragons as a boy. I think I like him being an important factor in the success of Dany and Jon for the future but not necessarily one of the three dragon riders. As for who will tell Jon - still anyone's guess at this point. If I had to lay money on one, it would probably be Melisandre but that doesn't make me happy. You're probably right. Mel and her damn fire visions!
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Post by serpounce on May 13, 2015 21:36:33 GMT
I think hope it will be Bran who makes the reveal about Jon's parentage. It could be quite eerie, haunting, if they handle it right. Jon, kneeling under a heart tree (heh, see the title of this board), lost, utterly defeated and at the end of his strength after some something-something terrible, and then the echoing, familiar voice--not just a few words, but a story. He listens, not moving, head bowed, perhaps mist and fog swirling about. And after the story is done, after a long time of Jon still and unmoving, he rises... Please, show, don't give that to Melissandre! It feels right to me that after all the 'rise of R'hollor' evidence we're seeing, that in the end, for the Starks, the Old Gods are still there for them. Interesting. I never for a second doubted the Old Gods would always be there but now you've got me thinking. Maybe when magic leaves Planetos, the gods will as well. As for who makes the reveal, I'm hoping it's Bran as well. Many have speculated it will be while Jon's in his ice coma which sits well with me. Then he makes a quick trip to the crypts after disposing of the Boltons and finds something cool there. What might be there is interesting. I'm convinced Lyanna and Rhaegar were married but I don't know how that would be shown. Has to be a vision but what if there's a Targaryen cloak draped over Lyanna...
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 0:31:00 GMT
It also states we'll see a "darker side of him" (Ghost) so I'm anticipating a nice go-for-the-jugular scene - yay! Go Ghost! First reply in comments: "I hope he eats Ramsay Bolton."
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