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Post by Basil on Oct 29, 2016 13:37:05 GMT
I've been re-reading these books recently, and I have to vent..I hate Steve Kloves. I always have, he's a shit screen writer, but I'm on Chamber of Secrets now and I completely forgot it was Ron who explained what a Mudblood was to Harry and Hermione, and in the movie Hermione explained it herself. Why did Kloves give so many of Ron's great lines to Hermione?!  It's bad enough "If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too" went to her in Azkaban. Yeah, and the worst thing is, Cursed Child seems to embrace Ron being nothing but a useless comic relief character, he's basically the Jar Jar Binks of the Harry Potter universe at this point. |
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 29, 2016 14:13:50 GMT
I've been re-reading these books recently, and I have to vent..I hate Steve Kloves. I always have, he's a shit screen writer, but I'm on Chamber of Secrets now and I completely forgot it was Ron who explained what a Mudblood was to Harry and Hermione, and in the movie Hermione explained it herself. Why did Kloves give so many of Ron's great lines to Hermione?! It's bad enough "If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too" went to her in Azkaban. Yeah, and the worst thing is, Cursed Child seems to embrace Ron being nothing but a useless comic relief character, he's basically the Jar Jar Binks of the Harry Potter universe at this point. Which is grade A bullshit because Ron was always my favorite. He was always so complex. I think Jo was a bit too hard on him at times too, but the movies made it worse. They had him looking terrified in all the posters until GoF when they finally wised up. The Cursed Child spoilers were all terrible, but I noticed that about Ron too. Then you've got Jo saying she shouldn't have put Ron and Hermione together (more bullshit) and Emma Watson changed her tune about it too after she practically squeed about it on her website when DH came out. Ron deserves better. |
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Post by kingeomer on Oct 29, 2016 17:08:44 GMT
I've been re-reading these books recently, and I have to vent..I hate Steve Kloves. I always have, he's a shit screen writer, but I'm on Chamber of Secrets now and I completely forgot it was Ron who explained what a Mudblood was to Harry and Hermione, and in the movie Hermione explained it herself. Why did Kloves give so many of Ron's great lines to Hermione?! It's bad enough "If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too" went to her in Azkaban. It's why the 5th movie, to me was the best movie for Ron, because he was written more in character and it was a Kloves free one. Steve Kloves had some irrational crush on Emma Watson/Hermione. When there was discussion that Watson might not return to the role of Hermione, he supposedly said if that happens, I'll quit. I hated that they did not let Ron explain why a mudblood was so offensive, it didn't make sense to have Hermione do it. Also it really rankled me that they gave Hermione the"if you want to kill Harry, you have to kill us too!" Ron stands up on a broken leg and delivers that line in the books. The other thing I hated (I think it was book/movie 6) was when Snape was giving Hermione a hard time about being a know it all and in the books Ron sticks up for her and in the movies, he agrees with Snape. Like what??? Rupert Grint was way too talented to be just comic relief and Ron deserved better than to just be comic relief. Another huge Ron fan here! But then again, these are the same people who totally massacred movie Ginny too. |
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 29, 2016 17:45:37 GMT
I've been re-reading these books recently, and I have to vent..I hate Steve Kloves. I always have, he's a shit screen writer, but I'm on Chamber of Secrets now and I completely forgot it was Ron who explained what a Mudblood was to Harry and Hermione, and in the movie Hermione explained it herself. Why did Kloves give so many of Ron's great lines to Hermione?! It's bad enough "If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too" went to her in Azkaban. It's why the 5th movie, to me was the best movie for Ron, because he was written more in character and it was a Kloves free one. Steve Kloves had some irrational crush on Emma Watson/Hermione. When there was discussion that Watson might not return to the role of Hermione, he supposedly said if that happens, I'll quit. I hated that they did not let Ron explain why a mudblood was so offensive, it didn't make sense to have Hermione do it. Also it really rankled me that they gave Hermione the"if you want to kill Harry, you have to kill us too!" Ron stands up on a broken leg and delivers that line in the books. The other thing I hated (I think it was book/movie 6) was when Snape was giving Hermione a hard time about being a know it all and in the books Ron sticks up for her and in the movies, he agrees with Snape. Like what??? Rupert Grint was way too talented to be just comic relief and Ron deserved better than to just be comic relief. Another huge Ron fan here! But then again, these are the same people who totally massacred movie Ginny too. I hated Kloves' Hermione boner. Cauron also had one, which is yet another reason why I think PoA is one of the worst directed Potter movies out there. He gets too much credit for giving the films a "darker tone" He got so much else wrong. Ginny was pretty boring to me in both books and show. It didn't help the actress playing her was pretty terrible, but HBP Ginny in the movie was unbearable. |
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Post by Basil on Oct 29, 2016 18:00:54 GMT
Hermione from the books is my favourite character in Harry Potter by far (actually she's one of my favourite characters in all of fiction) but I wasn't completely sold on Emma Watson's portrayal, especally in the later movies. I do think she's probably the best actress of the bunch, but I simply didn't recognize the character that I love so much in the way she played her. I think PoA is the best Potter movie. Obviously it leaves out a lot of stuff from the books, they all do (I'm still salty that they didn't include the Marauders story at all  ), but overall, the things it did right, it did perfectly and this is the only movie I can rewatch without feeling completely underwhelmed by it. I can't stress enough though how much I love the books and how little I care for the movies.  |
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Post by Enid on Oct 29, 2016 18:08:13 GMT
Oh yes, poor Ron was treated like shit in the movies and is a shame because both the character and the actor deserved better. Every great Ron moment was either cut or given to Hermione, and that's a shame, because Ron is a great character on his own right. The shitty treatment started way back in the first movie, when they had Hermione getting through the Devil's Snare on her own while Ron freaked out when in the books Ron had to remind Hermione she is a freaking witch after she complains she doesn't have a lighter to attack the plant with fire. Then the mudblood moment in the second movie (which made no sense at all) and yeah, then the third movie came out and Ron became the comic relief.
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 29, 2016 18:12:03 GMT
I somewhat blame the original test audiences for SS. They all liked Ron more than Harry, so I feel like they had to try extra hard to make Ron "The dumb one." so he didn't take away from the lead.
Which is stupid, because Ron is amazing.
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Post by lordcarson on Oct 29, 2016 18:41:13 GMT
It's why the 5th movie, to me was the best movie for Ron, because he was written more in character and it was a Kloves free one. Steve Kloves had some irrational crush on Emma Watson/Hermione. When there was discussion that Watson might not return to the role of Hermione, he supposedly said if that happens, I'll quit. I hated that they did not let Ron explain why a mudblood was so offensive, it didn't make sense to have Hermione do it. Also it really rankled me that they gave Hermione the"if you want to kill Harry, you have to kill us too!" Ron stands up on a broken leg and delivers that line in the books. The other thing I hated (I think it was book/movie 6) was when Snape was giving Hermione a hard time about being a know it all and in the books Ron sticks up for her and in the movies, he agrees with Snape. Like what??? Rupert Grint was way too talented to be just comic relief and Ron deserved better than to just be comic relief. Another huge Ron fan here! But then again, these are the same people who totally massacred movie Ginny too. I hated Kloves' Hermione boner. Cauron also had one, which is yet another reason why I think PoA is one of the worst directed Potter movies out there. He gets too much credit for giving the films a "darker tone" He got so much else wrong. Ginny was pretty boring to me in both books and show. It didn't help the actress playing her was pretty terrible, but HBP Ginny in the movie was unbearable.  |
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Post by Enid on Oct 29, 2016 18:46:18 GMT
UHHH DRAMA  By the way movie Ginny sucked, book Ginny was cool. |
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Post by Basil on Oct 29, 2016 18:51:07 GMT
Book Ginny was all kinds of awesome.
In the movies she was basically a background character who was played by an incredibly bland actress.
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 29, 2016 18:55:41 GMT
Ginny felt so shoehorned in the plot to me. Like she was supposed to be a clear representation of Harry's mommy issues. She was exactly like Lily and that was her only purpose. Beautiful red head? Check. Strong witch? Check. Feisty? Check.
Though I will say book Ginny was far better than movie Ginny.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Oct 29, 2016 18:56:58 GMT
One of the weirdest and funniest moments from the movies was Harry spending two years obsessing about Cho, but then as soon as HBP came round, he just completely forgot about her and got a really weird Ginny-boner. Especially that first moment where he creepily watches her through her window |
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Post by Basil on Oct 29, 2016 18:58:50 GMT
The romance between the two of them definitely felt forced in the books as well. It came out of nowhere, Harry never expressed any romantic interest towards Ginny until Book 6, when suddenly he was obsessed with her.
I still like Ginny as a character, though.
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Post by Enid on Oct 29, 2016 19:06:47 GMT
Ginny felt so shoehorned in the plot to me. Like she was supposed to be a clear representation of Harry's mommy issues. She was exactly like Lily and that was her only purpose. Beautiful red head? Check. Strong witch? Check. Feisty? Check. Though I will say book Ginny was far better than movie Ginny. I respectfully disagree. Ginny had a great evolution in the books, from a girl with such a huge crush on Harry she couldn't even talk to him to a strong and confident young woman who didn't just sit and wait for Harry to notice her, she took charge of her own life and had other relationships and became friends with the guy she couldn't even look at when she was younger. Yes, JK was really obvious when she made Ginny a red head and from the little we saw it does look like she had some things in common with Lily, but I don't see them as copies. I like the character in the books and is a shame the movies didn't give her a bigger role after re-casting with a better actress. But that's just my opinion. Let's agree to disagree on this. |
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Post by Enid on Oct 29, 2016 19:09:36 GMT
The romance between the two of them definitely felt forced in the books as well. It came out of nowhere, Harry never expressed any romantic interest towards Ginny until Book 6, when suddenly he was obsessed with her. I still like Ginny as a character, though. In the books defense, Harry and Ginny become friends once she is capable of actually talking to him and Harry slowly falls in love but tries to ignore his feelings because he is afraid of Ron's reaction. It didn't feel forced to me. |
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Post by Basil on Oct 29, 2016 19:29:56 GMT
The romance between the two of them definitely felt forced in the books as well. It came out of nowhere, Harry never expressed any romantic interest towards Ginny until Book 6, when suddenly he was obsessed with her. I still like Ginny as a character, though. In the books defense, Harry and Ginny become friends once she is capable of actually talking to him and Harry slowly falls in love but tries to ignore his feelings because he is afraid of Ron's reaction. It didn't feel forced to me. Sure, but I don't quite agree on the slowly part. Harry never had any romantic feelings towards Ginny up until Book 6, even when they fought side by side in the Department of Mysteries, he didn't feel more protective of her than he felt of Luna or Neville. But when they met again in the Burrow at the beginning of Half-Blood Prince, he was infatuated with her for some reason ... and to me that came out of nowhere. I even think it would have been more believeable if Harry had fallen for Luna instead. At least those two shared a few intimate moments during Order of the Phoenix. Harry and Ginny never did until they became a couple. It did not feel believe to me in the slightest, it felt rushed. I think their romance could have worked if Rowling had started planting the seeds for it earlier. As it is, it felt like she decided that they should get together as she was writing Book 6. |
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Post by lordcarson on Oct 29, 2016 19:31:08 GMT
ginny is my fav character fkn fight me
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 29, 2016 19:37:00 GMT
In the books defense, Harry and Ginny become friends once she is capable of actually talking to him and Harry slowly falls in love but tries to ignore his feelings because he is afraid of Ron's reaction. It didn't feel forced to me. Sure, but I don't quite agree on the slowly part. Harry never had any romantic feelings towards Ginny up until Book 6, even when they fought side by side in the Department of Mysteries, he didn't feel more protective of her than he felt of Luna or Neville. But when they met again in the Burrow at the beginning of Half-Blood Prince, he was infatuated with her for some reason ... and to me that came out of nowhere. I even think it would have been more believeable if Harry had fallen for Luna instead. At least those two shared a few intimate moments during Order of the Phoenix. Harry and Ginny never did until they became a couple. It did not feel believe to me in the slightest, it felt rushed. I think their romance could have worked if Rowling had started planting the seeds for it earlier. As it is, it felt like she decided that they should get together as she was writing Book 6. I agree with this, and that's another reason I used the word "shoehorned." I believed before HBP that Harry, if he ended up with someone from school, it would probably be Luna just from their scenes. But all of a sudden he's infatuated with her when he never had so much of a crush on her before? No. It was rushed and didn't feel organic at all. |
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Post by kingeomer on Oct 30, 2016 12:46:28 GMT
I quite liked Ginny in the books. JK did her a disservice with the Harry romance plot though because while it was nice to see Ginny evolve from an awkward young pre-teen with a crush to a confident young woman, where she could finally meet Harry on a level playing field-it does come out of nowhere. I think considering how long Harry had been such a good friend to Ron, wouldn't there had been awkwardness on her part with feelings for him. I know he had some concerns about how Ron would feel about it. I think if she developed it better, Ginny and Harry would have made more sense to me. I felt like Harry and Luna had way more in common, particularly with the loss of a parent, she was one of the very few that could understand that. To me it felt JK wanted to make one big Happy Weasley family ending and did the Harry and Ginny romance-where as we all know, Harry was family to them no matter what and still would have been even if he did not marry Ginny. day dreamer, I had no idea test audiences were to blame for the changes in Ron because they liked him more than Harry. I always liked Ron more than Harry.  |
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Post by day dreamer on Oct 30, 2016 13:53:23 GMT
Harry and Luna always made more sense to me as a couple. *sigh* |
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), but overall, the things it did right, it did perfectly and this is the only movie I can rewatch without feeling completely underwhelmed by it. 
