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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 9:07:41 GMT
Well, he'll certainly never have more motivation to finish than he does right now. You would think he would want to capitalize on the mega success of the show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 9:15:34 GMT
And that's if he has the motivation to finish the series when the show is done. Though I think HBO seemed interested in Dunk and Egg and Aegon's Conquest so they really could just continue adapting his universe while he's writing ADOS. I don't understand how he wouldn't? I dunno it just seems like a long road ahead for him to finish it. He's made the story way too massive by introducing more characters, plotlines, and ridiculous subplots that just made it seem difficult to untangle and wrap up carefully. Now maybe I'll be wrong and he'll write at a faster pace and finish the series in 5-10 years, but who really knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 9:27:06 GMT
Well, he'll certainly never have more motivation to finish than he does right now. You would think he would want to capitalize on the mega success of the show. He probably has enough money not to care too much about it  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 9:29:23 GMT
Well, he'll certainly never have more motivation to finish than he does right now. You would think he would want to capitalize on the mega success of the show. He probably has enough money not to care too much about it People can never have too much money, but you're probably right. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 12:52:39 GMT
And that's if he has the motivation to finish the series when the show is done. Though I think HBO seemed interested in Dunk and Egg and Aegon's Conquest so they really could just continue adapting his universe while he's writing ADOS. I don't understand how he wouldn't? ASOIAF is his magnum opus and he's been telling this story for 20 years. And now some TV show will spoil every secret and final plottwist. For a professional writer this is humiliating. He barely has any motivation to finish the books as it is. I don't think that that will improve when HBO spoils the ending . I know I would lose all motivation if a TV show spoiled my life's work. I love and respect GRRM but he clearly suffers from writer's block and the show has worsened it. I would be extremely surprised if ADOS ever came out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 12:58:38 GMT
As a writer myself I can't help but look at George through my own writerly foibles. I write to find out what is going to happen in my own stories, so if I already know how a story will end for a long time before I'm able to finish it, I lose interest. Just imagine if he has lost interest in writing this to its completion, because he's already figured out the parts that interest him and now he is no longer excited about it, but he has thousands of pages to slog through. UGH! There is also the crushing pressure of fans and the show coming up on him like a freight train. That much pressure would freeze me up. I'd probably hide in a well. And then there's regret. I bet he regrets giving his story away to HBO before it was done. As far as I know, this is an unprecedented move. Now it's not just his. Now they've done things that are different than what he did, and his fans are torn about it.
I don't think George owes us anything at all. I think he owes it to himself to finish the series, but I bet he isn't able to focus on it until the HBO show is done and gone. And then he'll have to look within himself and see if he still cares enough to finish his opus or if he'd rather just dabble in stories in other parts of his world...he does stay in the world of ASoIaF for the most part, even on other projects.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 12:59:12 GMT
I don't understand how he wouldn't? ASOIAF is his magnus opus and he's been telling this story for 20 years. And now some TV show will spoil every secret and final plottwist. For a professional writer this is humiliating. He barely has any motivation to finish the books as it is. I don't think that that will improve when HBO spoils the ending . I know I would lose all motivation if a TV show spoiled my life's work. I love and respect GRRM but he clearly suffers from writer's block and the show has worsened it. I would be extremely surprised if ADOS ever came out. Dude, get out of my head! You wrote this while I was writing mine! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:02:51 GMT
ASOIAF is his magnum opus and he's been telling this story for 20 years. And now some TV show will spoil every secret and final plottwist. For a professional writer this is humiliating. He barely has any motivation to finish the books as it is. I don't think that that will improve when HBO spoils the ending . I know I would lose all motivation if a TV show spoiled my life's work. I love and respect GRRM but he clearly suffers from writer's block and the show has worsened it. I would be extremely surprised if ADOS ever came out. Dude, get out of my head! You wrote this while I was writing mine! Thanks for quoting me. I just noticed the typo. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:10:53 GMT
But what I find really sad is all the times GRRM deluded himself into thinking he could still finish it before the show catches up. "Books 4 and 5 are huge, I still have a lot of time etc." He did the same when he thought ADwD would come out shortly after AFFC. He's like me when I have to write term papers. I always think I have more time than I have. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I'm not expecting WoW anytime soon either.  However, I do agree with @witchy. He doesn't owe us anything. But you know what? I don't owe him anything either. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:19:25 GMT
I think we owe him the respect of a human being though. I think some of you were being overly harsh on the old man.
The show is completely different to the book in my mind anyway. Im sure the main plot points going forward will be similar, but the journey is going to be different. And thats what im here for, the journey and getting to know the twoiaf. Probably why i enjoyed affc and adwd so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:23:29 GMT
I think we owe him the respect of a human being though. I think some of you were being overly harsh on the old man. The show is completely different to the book in my mind anyway. Im sure the main plot points going forward will be simikar, but the journey is going to be different. And tbats what im here for, the journey and grtting to know the twoiaf. Probavbly why i enjoyed affc and adwd so much. I can understand why people are disappointed, and it's not like George is here reading (as far as we know) but in general, I agree. He is a human being, and he gave us this story. So, we do owe him some respect. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:24:09 GMT
I think we owe him the respect of a human being though. I think some of you were being overly harsh on the old man. The show is completely different to the book in my mind anyway. Im sure the main plot points going forward will be simikar, but the journey is going to be different. And tbats what im here for, the journey and grtting to know the twoiaf. Probavbly why i enjoyed affc and adwd so much. And he has that. I only remember one person saying something disrespectful. But my criticism is not about GRRM the human being. My criticism is about GRRM the professional writer. These are two different things. And I don't see where the problem is if we say that he royally fucked up his magnum opus by having a TV show spoil his ending. It's the truth. I don't see how anyone is disrespecting him as a human being by saying that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:32:33 GMT
I think we owe him the respect of a human being though. I think some of you were being overly harsh on the old man. The show is completely different to the book in my mind anyway. Im sure the main plot points going forward will be simikar, but the journey is going to be different. And tbats what im here for, the journey and grtting to know the twoiaf. Probavbly why i enjoyed affc and adwd so much. I can understand why people are disappointed, and it's not like George is here reading (as far as we know) but in general, I agree. He is a human being, and he gave us this story. So, we do owe him some respect. Tbh, I'm not even disappointed, because I no longer care about the books. But I like George and I wanted to see him succeed. And again, I hope no one is attacking him as a human being. That would be awful and unethical. It goes without saying that he deserves respect as a human being. However, I do think a lot of his fans are overly sensitive when it comes to that. I'm criticising GRRM the public persona who is a professional writer. I have every right to do that. And yes, he gave us this story, but we also gave him a shitload of money. I think we are even. And no, this is not disrespecting him either. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:36:50 GMT
I think we owe him the respect of a human being though. I think some of you were being overly harsh on the old man. The show is completely different to the book in my mind anyway. Im sure the main plot points going forward will be simikar, but the journey is going to be different. And tbats what im here for, the journey and grtting to know the twoiaf. Probavbly why i enjoyed affc and adwd so much. And he has that. I only remember one person saying something disrespectful. But my criticism is not about GRRM the human being. My criticism is about GRRM the professional writer. These are two different things. And I don't see where the problem is if we say that he royally fucked up his magnum opus by having a TV show spoil his ending. It's the truth. I don't see how anyone is disrespecting him as a human being by saying that. Thats why i didnt quote you my darling. I dont find anything wrong with saying that. Although i kind of disagree. I mean sure, he should have realised that the show was becoming big and maybe he should hurry up. But he decided to take his time. Maybe take a break. I dont think he intentionally wanted the show to spoil the ending, theres nothing we can do about that now. But focusing on one story for so long must fuck with your head. I also just dont have a problem with the show overrunning the books so i dont agree that he royally fucked up. I read agot after watching season 1, even though s1 wss a very faithful adaption, reading the book was still an exciting experience. Im sure it will be much the same when i read TWOW. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:43:21 GMT
And he has that. I only remember one person saying something disrespectful. But my criticism is not about GRRM the human being. My criticism is about GRRM the professional writer. These are two different things. And I don't see where the problem is if we say that he royally fucked up his magnum opus by having a TV show spoil his ending. It's the truth. I don't see how anyone is disrespecting him as a human being by saying that. Thats why i didnt quote you my darling. I dont find anything wrong with saying that. Although i kind of disagree. I mean sure, he should have realised that the show was becoming big and maybe he should hurry up. But he decided to take his time. Maybe take a break. I dont think he intentionally wanted the show to spoil the ending, theres nothing we can do about that now. But focusing on one story for so long must fuck with your head. I also just dont have a problem with the show overrunning the books so i dont agree that he royally fucked up. I read agot after watching season 1, even though s1 wss a very faithful adaption, reading the book was still an exciting experience. Im sure it will be much the same when i read TWOW. No, I don't think he intentionally wanted the show to spoil the ending, quite the contrary actually. He just misjudged how fast he could write the books. You may have no problem with the show overrunning the books. I don't have a problem with that either. I'm a fan of the show first and foremost anyway. But what I was saying is that GEORGE has a problem with that. Of course he has. It's his life's work and legacy. What kind of writer wouldn't have a problem with someone else telling their story before them? And yes, the show and the books are different experiences, but the big plot points will be largely the same. Now the show will get to reveal Jon's parentage before him. This would be a disaster for every writer. He fucked up, but I don't respect him any less for that. People do fuck up. It's tragic, really. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Feb 3, 2016 19:49:35 GMT
A good part of George's problems now could have been avoided with a strong, judicious and firm editing work 10 years ago. AFFC/ADWD should have never been published as they did, and I'm telling this as someone who enjoyed both books. Now the story is bloated, with every important character hundred of miles away each other. George surely knows the ending of the major characters, but I suspect he doesn't know how to get there anymore.
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Post by kingeomer on Feb 3, 2016 21:18:54 GMT
I have to agree with @kairos here, in terms of that there is no way that GRRM wanted the show to bypass him and reveal major plot points before he did (i,e, Jon's parentage, how he gets out of his predicament, basically how the story ends). I am sure his publishers didn't want that either. I am guessing at this point, he is really going to underscore the books are the books and the show is the show-because he has no other choice. I still will read the books, no matter how long the show has been off the air by the time at that point. I am curious to read GRRM's ending and how he got there.
I just hope he can find the motivation and finish it up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 18:44:08 GMT
The immense pessimism within the fandom RE: the possibility of ever seeing the final book is depressing as hell. Stop being so gloomy!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 20:04:07 GMT
George is just a fucking slow writer.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Feb 4, 2016 20:39:11 GMT
Well, he'll certainly never have more motivation to finish than he does right now. You would think he would want to capitalize on the mega success of the show. He probably has enough money not to care too much about it This is an interesting point, though it's not really applicable to GRRM. But I was reading a piece from another author, regarding their series fact it was, for the time being, discontinued. They mentioned how being paid a lump sum in advance for the first 3 instalments regardless of how well they sold was a godsend in terms of writing, because it gave a bit more freedom in their non-writing career. Obviously this sort of concern doesn't apply to GRRM given he was already a prolific author and presumably well-off(ish), but it's an interesting point all the same that I thought I would share. |
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However, I do agree with @witchy. He doesn't owe us anything. But you know what? I don't owe him anything either. 
