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Post by day dreamer on Feb 2, 2016 15:19:44 GMT
I'm still trying to be optimistic about Winds of Winter, but yeah, we're never seeing a Dream of Spring.
Can someone give this guy some speed or something?
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Feb 2, 2016 15:29:55 GMT
I'm still trying to be optimistic about Winds of Winter, but yeah, we're never seeing a Dream of Spring. Can someone give this guy some speed or something? Sometimes I wonder if he really enjoy writing this series anymore... I mean, yeah, he wants to finish, because of his fans and editors and publishers. I'm sure he doesn't want to disappoint them. But I don't think he feels the need to tell this story anymore. When I read his posts about the upcoming book, or when he talks about it, he seems tired to me, like someone who is working in something that bored him. I hope I'm wrong, because I love the books... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 15:34:19 GMT
The story just got too big. He should have stayed with the original plan of only using the pov characters from AGoT. Sure, we would have been deprived some great pov's like Jaime and Theon, but we would probably also have the entire story done in 3-5 books.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 18:49:51 GMT
The story just got too big. He should have stayed with the original plan of only using the pov characters from AGoT. Sure, we would have been deprived some great pov's like Jaime and Theon, but we would probably also have the entire story done in 3-5 books. Agree. It shows in how bloated some of the storylines are, it's a typical missing the forest from the trees. He's so hyper-focused on all these small details, that I don't think truly contribute to the story, which then bog him down and he gets exasperated and tire (I imagine) trying to create a cohesive story. It's grown too much, to big to fail, is failing. |
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Post by mattpeto on Feb 2, 2016 19:37:49 GMT
The story just got too big. He should have stayed with the original plan of only using the pov characters from AGoT. Sure, we would have been deprived some great pov's like Jaime and Theon, but we would probably also have the entire story done in 3-5 books. Agree. It shows in how bloated some of the storylines are, it's a typical missing the forest from the trees. He's so hyper-focused on all these small details, that I don't think truly contribute to the story, which then bog him down and he gets exasperated and tire (I imagine) trying to create a cohesive story. It's grown too much, to big to fail, is failing. I think he's paralyzed by it all. #1 - His age (which he states is a hindrance) #2 - His hobbies (he read a dozen books last month!) #3 - His fear (trying to make the book great) and live up to ASOS. #4 - The bridge to the end (TWOW should be harder to write then the ADOS since the ending has been delivered to HBO showrunners) I'm guessing he spends a few hours per month on it max. |
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Post by mattpeto on Feb 2, 2016 19:39:21 GMT
Also: I love GRRM but I'm real tired of his sheep. He totally fucking blew it. And the sheep won't realize it until it's too late.
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Post by day dreamer on Feb 2, 2016 19:42:45 GMT
His editor (or whoever) shouldn't have let him get so carried away with FfC and DwD. Did we need all those Greyjoys? All those different people in Dorne? No. It's just sad. If I were him, I'd be bothered if a TV show was going to finish my novels for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 19:45:47 GMT
His editor (or whoever) shouldn't have let him get so carried away with FfC and DwD. Did we need all those Greyjoys? All those different people in Dorne? No. It's just sad. If I were him, I'd be bothered if a TV show was going to finish my novels for me. I think this has been one of the major issues, he's obviously non existing editors. It is up to the editor to cut the unnecessary fat from a story as well as managing the writer. If he needed information from those chapter to come through to the reader, he could have found a more efficient way. Now, he's stuck with all these POV's which he has to find a way to condense in the next two books. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Feb 2, 2016 19:48:35 GMT
If I had been GRRM's editor, I would:
* Combined AFFC/ADWD in a single book.
* Removed Quentyn, Arys, Damphair and Jon Con POV chapters completely.
* Cut half of the POV chapters for Sam, Brienne and Jaime.
* Cut a third of the POV chapters for Tyrion, Cersei, Jon and Dany.
* Added the Battles of Ice and Fire and a proper ending for the Brienne/Jaime/Stoneheart arc.
Now you have a really single stand out novel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 19:49:03 GMT
I'm still trying to be optimistic about Winds of Winter, but yeah, we're never seeing a Dream of Spring. Can someone give this guy some speed or something? ... I mean, yeah, he wants to finish, because of his fans and editors and publishers. I'm sure he doesn't want to disappoint them. But I don't think he feels the need to tell this story anymore. When I read his posts about the upcoming book, or when he talks about it, he seems tired to me, like someone who is working in something that bored him. I hope I'm wrong, because I love the books... I could be wrong, but I don't think he does. That's why I've always said he should just get involved in the writing process of the show instead. This way he could still tell the ending of his story, at least to some capacity. I'm sure D&D would understand that.  But instead he stopped writing scripts altogether... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 19:50:01 GMT
If I had been GRRM's editor, I would: * Combined AFFC/ADWD in a single book. * Removed Quentyn, Arys, Damphair and Jon Con POV chapters completely. * Cut half of the POV chapters for Sam, Brienne and Jaime. * Cut a third of the POV chapters for Tyrion, Cersei, Jon and Dany. * Added the Battles of Ice and Fire and a proper ending for the Brienne/Jaime/Stoneheart arc. Now you have a really single stand out novel. Seriously, THIS SOOOO freaking much. |
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Post by mattpeto on Feb 2, 2016 20:34:34 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if he really enjoy writing this series anymore... I mean, yeah, he wants to finish, because of his fans and editors and publishers. I'm sure he doesn't want to disappoint them. But I don't think he feels the need to tell this story anymore. When I read his posts about the upcoming book, or when he talks about it, he seems tired to me, like someone who is working in something that bored him. I hope I'm wrong, because I love the books... I could be wrong, but I don't think he does. That's why I've always said he should just get involved in the writing process of the show instead. This way he could still tell the ending of his story, at least to some capacity. I'm sure D&D would understand that. But instead he stopped writing scripts altogether... I actually think IF GRRM finished Winds, he would write a script or two in seasons 7 or 8, but you're right - not sure about that now either. |
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Post by hairgrowsback on Feb 2, 2016 21:37:21 GMT
I don't think he doesn't want to write anymore, but I feel like the pressure to write something satisfying is so strong that he's afraid to write and thus distracts himself with side-project.
I can't really blame him, as I have the same way of writing things, and they are nowhere near as important as what he does.
He'll come around, eventually (please ??).
Finally, I hope he does NOT write for the show anymore : there's no salvaging it anymore. I'd rather he focuses on finishing the series, or even write in-universe stories if he likes.
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Post by freeparking on Feb 3, 2016 8:12:57 GMT
I'm still trying to be optimistic about Winds of Winter, but yeah, we're never seeing a Dream of Spring. Can someone give this guy some speed or something? Sometimes I wonder if he really enjoy writing this series anymore... I mean, yeah, he wants to finish, because of his fans and editors and publishers. I'm sure he doesn't want to disappoint them. But I don't think he feels the need to tell this story anymore. When I read his posts about the upcoming book, or when he talks about it, he seems tired to me, like someone who is working in something that bored him. I hope I'm wrong, because I love the books... I think GRRM loves writing about stuff in the ASOIAF world but not the ASOIAF story itself. Hence we get things like the D&E short stories and TWOIAF. AFFC and ADWD show this as well. He wants to explore the Iron Islands so we get three POVs there. Same thing Dorne. He makes sure we see every place Tyrion goes by on his way to Meereen. But Sansa and Bran get hardly any chapters. Half of Arya's chapters are just describing Braavos. I think we will get TWOW at some point, but I am not expecting it any time soon. There is no way we ever see ADOS and whatever the inevitable eighth book would be called. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 8:41:30 GMT
I'm honestly surprised most of you think we won't see ADOS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 8:46:09 GMT
I'm honestly surprised most of you think we won't see ADOS I mean there's a possibility we might, but I'll probably be in my mid 30's.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 8:48:48 GMT
I'm going to prepare for the worst (never getting ADoS), and just be pleasantly surprised if he does finish it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 8:51:08 GMT
I'm honestly surprised most of you think we won't see ADOS I mean there's a possibility we might, but I'll probably be in my mid 30's. Well TWOW is probably end of this year/start of next year. I'd say ADOS in another 4-6 years. mid-30's is a bit of an exaggeration. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 8:54:16 GMT
I mean there's a possibility we might, but I'll probably be in my mid 30's. Well TWOW is probably end of this year/start of next year. I'd say ADOS in another 4-6 years. mid-30's is a bit of an exaggeration. And that's if he has the motivation to finish the series when the show is done. Though I think HBO seemed interested in Dunk and Egg and Aegon's Conquest so they really could just continue adapting his universe while he's writing ADOS. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 9:02:06 GMT
Well TWOW is probably end of this year/start of next year. I'd say ADOS in another 4-6 years. mid-30's is a bit of an exaggeration. Though I think HBO seemed interested in Dunk and Egg and Aegon's Conquest so they really could just continue adapting his universe while he's writing ADOS. I don't understand how he wouldn't? |
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But instead he stopped writing scripts altogether... 
