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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:43:27 GMT
No Jon, no Stannis and no Dany apparently. All in all it looks like a great episode. Westeros.org is going to explode!  |
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Post by day dreamer on May 12, 2015 12:58:21 GMT
I'm glad Sansa is losing the hair dye tbh. She should've had it immediately after leaving KL, it just seemed silly afterwards.
I think Dany's wigs are excellent too, the only time they were iffy was in the pilot and in her bedroom scene with Daario this season. Otherwise all the wigs on this show look great.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 16:01:07 GMT
No Jon, no Stannis and no Dany apparently. All in all it looks like a great episode. Westeros.org is going to explode! I think Dany might actually be in this episode. We still didn't see the Meereenese Peddler and his wife. They are credited for a Podeswa episode and interact with a main character, so it's likely Dany will still be in this. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 16:04:44 GMT
I think Dany might actually be in this episode. We still didn't see the Meereenese Peddler and his wife. They are credited for a Podeswa episode and interact with a main character, so it's likely Dany will still be in this. That would be nice. Maybe we get Dany having that conversation with Daario about not wanting to be a butcher queen. Or maybe that's for 507. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 16:07:29 GMT
I think Dany might actually be in this episode. We still didn't see the Meereenese Peddler and his wife. They are credited for a Podeswa episode and interact with a main character, so it's likely Dany will still be in this. That would be nice. Maybe we get Dany having that conversation with Daario about not wanting to be a butcher queen. Or maybe that's for 507. Yeah their bed scene would be in 507 if recapped.com is correct. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 19:49:38 GMT
That would be nice. Maybe we get Dany having that conversation with Daario about not wanting to be a butcher queen. Or maybe that's for 507. Yeah their bed scene would be in 507 if recapped.com is correct. To paraphrase what Ned said to Barry in ep. 105 and make it about that perv-site, "I never knew Recapped to be wrong about matters of TV nudity." At least they haven't been yet in the two years I've seen people post their scoops on show-forums. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 2:42:02 GMT
So does anyone have any guesses as to the order of the KL scenes in this episode? It seems there'll be quite a few. I'd guess LF's meeting with Cersei and with Olenna occurs before Loras's trial but beyond that, I really dunno. What do you all think?
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Post by King Tommen on May 13, 2015 3:00:31 GMT
I kind of think that the LF arrival/confrontation with Lancel and subsequent conversation with Cersei happens ahead of all the Tyrell/Cersei business. It seems like Cersei wants to have LF's confirmation of Vale support whenever her plans for the Tyrell split come to fruition.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 3:12:27 GMT
I kind of think that the LF arrival/confrontation with Lancel and subsequent conversation with Cersei happens ahead of all the Tyrell/Cersei business. It seems like Cersei wants to have LF's confirmation of Vale support whenever her plans for the Tyrell split come to fruition. According to TristanSnow the LF/Faith Militant run-in happens nearby his brothel (IIRC at least, the search function on AFOIAF doesn't seem to be working so I can't double-check his OP at the moment), SO either on the way to or from his Olenna meeting, I'd say. I don't know if all of that will be before or after he meets with Cersei though. If he's the one who provides Cersei with Olyvar's testimony (which I think is likely) that might be a hint that he goes to his trashed brothel and meets up with Olenna before seeing Cersei (that is if Olyvar is still there, which isn't necessarily a given).
BTW, King Tommen, do you think that Olyvar will implicate Marge in his charges against Loras and she'll be arrested as well in 506? I imagine that would incite Loras to try and attack him more than Olyvar simply testifying against him alone, which I'm sure he wouldn't be QUITE as pissed off about (that is, unless he thought Olyvar wasn't potentially treacherous).
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Post by King Tommen on May 13, 2015 3:24:01 GMT
I kind of think that the LF arrival/confrontation with Lancel and subsequent conversation with Cersei happens ahead of all the Tyrell/Cersei business. It seems like Cersei wants to have LF's confirmation of Vale support whenever her plans for the Tyrell split come to fruition. According to TristanSnow the LF/Faith Militant run-in happens nearby his brothel (IIRC at least, the search function on AFOIAF doesn't seem to be working so I can't double-check his OP at the moment), SO either on the way to or from his Olenna meeting, I'd say. I don't know if all of that will be before or after he meets with Cersei though. If he's the one who provides Cersei with Olyvar's testimony (which I think is likely) that might be a hint that he goes to his trashed brothel and meets up with Olenna before seeing Cersei (that is if Olyvar is still there, which isn't necessarily a given).
BTW, King Tommen, do you think that Olyvar will implicate Marge in his charges against Loras and she'll be arrested as well in 506? I imagine that would incite Loras to try and attack him more than Olyvar simply testifying against him alone, which I'm sure he wouldn't be QUITE as pissed off about (that is, unless he thought Olyvar wasn't potentially treacherous).
I suppose it's possible but I'm still not certain that Margaery gets implicated at all (at least not here). I guess it more or less has to happen but the show hasn't really foreshadowed that happening at all. I know that Finn Jones has said that there's a scene soon where Loras talks about Renly so I wonder if maybe Olyvar reveals that Loras told stories about the Renly pair up and how Marge was complicit in the arrangement and perhaps up for a three-way. That would be something that would get Loras upset enough to go after Olyvar I would guess. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 3:32:21 GMT
^ I wonder if that (I thought) odd scene where Margaery wandered into the bedroom while Loras and Olyvar were in bed, might now be used against her, with Olyvar saying she liked to come in and watch. Otherwise, to me there seemed little sense to that scene. Margaery wandered in, sat there, just to... tell Loras he was late for dinner? I think that scene will indeed be exaggerated by Olyvar and used to accuse her.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 3:36:48 GMT
^ I wonder if that (I thought) odd scene where Margaery wandered into the bedroom while Loras and Olyvar were in bed, might now be used against her, with Olyvar saying she liked to come in and watch. Otherwise, to me there seemed little sense to that scene. Margaery wandered in, sat there, just to... tell Loras he was late for dinner? I think that scene will indeed be exaggerated by Olyvar and used to accuse her. That's what I think they were going for with that too. |
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Post by King Tommen on May 13, 2015 3:42:37 GMT
I thought the scene was to highlight the fact that Margaery was warning Loras that he was not being discreet when it came to his bedroom affairs and this was going to bite him in the ass eventually once too many people were aware of what he did in his spare time.
But I suppose Olyvar could try and exaggerate her presence, it only really works though if it's also with a callback to the Renly/Loras/Margaery arrangement which basically puts Margaery's whole reputation on the line when it comes to her level of complicity in the Renly marriage farce.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 3:48:25 GMT
this was going to bite him in the ass 
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Post by King Tommen on May 13, 2015 4:03:12 GMT
Pun was definitely intended.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 8:23:04 GMT
I thought the scene was to highlight the fact that Margaery was warning Loras that he was not being discreet when it came to his bedroom affairs and this was going to bite him in the ass eventually once too many people were aware of what he did in his spare time. But I suppose Olyvar could try and exaggerate her presence, it only really works though if it's also with a callback to the Renly/Loras/Margaery arrangement which basically puts Margaery's whole reputation on the line when it comes to her level of complicity in the Renly marriage farce. This seems like the most plausible explanation for that scene. The audience will remember that Margaery warned Loras he was being too open with his private affairs. It could also have been a setup for future trial evidence of some sort including past relations with Renly which Margaery not only knew about but was willing to go along with and encourage in order to consummate the marriage. It still feels a little flimsy to me for enough to arrest Margaery on compared to how it went down in the book - but they've really done nothing to make adultery work in the show. |
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Post by day dreamer on May 13, 2015 18:59:35 GMT
I assumed Margaery will get arrested on something, and Olyvar will probably exaggerate that encounter to make it happen. It's added drama having both Cersei and Marg on trial eventually, and since they can't do the virgin thing, this is all they have.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 11:40:40 GMT
Do you think Loras gets beheaded for his homosexuality?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 11:43:52 GMT
Do you think Loras gets beheaded for his homosexuality? I hope not  That would make me very sad indeed. |
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Post by boojam on May 14, 2015 23:34:03 GMT
This episode seems great, especially the Arya stuff! Am one of those who read Arya's 7 chapters first when I got Feast and Dance. It's not a lot of pages but Arya's story was colorful and oddball. I loved the portrait of Braavos that she experiences. ... and the goofy House of Black and White story. Alas the 10E compactification falls on the elaboration of this story, I don't know how it will play. |
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That would make me very sad indeed. 
