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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2015 21:29:37 GMT
Erm well I for one am very glad that a character I like and relate to a hell of a lot didn't rape someone, but then that's just me. You didn't hear many Jaime fans telling D&D how great a job they did of adding immense depth of character after he raped Cersei. And he's a much much more conflicting character. Anyhow another thing I liked: how sweet memories of Arya's time with the Hound could be so finely summarised in one word. To be fair Jaime didn't rape anyone in the books |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:32:19 GMT
Jaime didn't rape anyone in the books. Sati was faster. Tyrion is not such a good guy in the books. On the show, wow, he's purely good. They even tried to justify him murdering Shae. (Killing Tywin was kinda justified)
Sophie Turner was sooo great.
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Post by boojam on Apr 27, 2015 21:32:38 GMT
Interesting bit of obscure implication.
Tyrion understands Valyrian.
Varys should speak it.
Something in the books the show has never used , I think?
A lot of Westerosi aristocracy , bookwise, spoke and understood Valyrian.
Seems to me Jorah did in the books, some other instances.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:34:58 GMT
Interesting bit of obscure implication. Tyrion understands Valyrian. Varys should speak it. Something in the books the show has never used , I think? A lot of Westerosi aristocracy , bookwise, spoke and understood Valyrian. Seems to me Jorah did in the books, some other instances. This bothered me as well. D&D are bad when it comes to little details like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:35:29 GMT
Interesting bit of obscure implication. Tyrion understands Valyrian. Varys should speak it. Something in the books the show has never used , I think? A lot of Westerosi aristocracy , bookwise, spoke and understood Valyrian. Seems to me Jorah did in the books, some other instances. I agree, and nice catch on that. It wasn't until I watched the episode a second time I realized he was making commentary in common to the woman speaking Valyrian which should clue people in to the fact Tyrion knows the language. He knows quite a few if I remember from the books. Not that it's a terribly important detail other than being a big help to Dany eventually. Maybe the way they kept her knowledge of the language a secret until she needed to speak it for impact, they'll wait to have Tyrion speak it when he needs to for Daenarys. THAT will rock my world. |
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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2015 21:37:22 GMT
Erm well I for one am very glad that a character I like and relate to a hell of a lot didn't rape someone, but then that's just me. You didn't hear many Jaime fans telling D&D how great a job they did of adding immense depth of character after he raped Cersei. And he's a much much more conflicting character. Anyhow another thing I liked: how sweet memories of Arya's time with the Hound could be so finely summarised in one word. To be fair Jaime didn't rape anyone in the books But that's kind of my point. It seems to be a case of disliking it solely because it's a change. I could understand people criticising when they began to remove some of the shades from Tyrion's character, but can you imagine if they kept the rape scene in the show? It could just never happen, the uproar would make septgate look like minor tremors of controversy. As an aside, I hated that in the books. I know Tyrion is a much darker character there and it makes sense with his loss of political and sexual power in a very much patriarchal society, but that was when a lot of the sympathy I had for him just faded away. Edit: Sorry, Diablotion, I seem to have misconstrued you a bit. Thought you were suggesting they should have kept the rape scene in but looks like you didn't at all, my bad. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2015 21:39:57 GMT
To be fair Jaime didn't rape anyone in the books But that's kind of my point. It seems to be a case of disliking it solely because it's a change. I could understand people criticising when they began to remove some of the shades from Tyrion's character, but can you imagine if they kept the rape scene in the show? It could just never happen, the uproar would make septgate look like minor tremors of controversy. As an aside, I hated that in the books. I know Tyrion is a much darker character there and it makes sense with his loss of political and sexual power in a very much patriarchal society, but that was when a lot of the sympathy I had for him just faded away. I think both instances were out of character - for Tyrion to do that in the books and for Jaime to do that on the show. Really didn't add anything and with Jaime especially, his character is going back and forth so much it is mind-numbing |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:41:10 GMT
To be fair Jaime didn't rape anyone in the books But that's kind of my point. It seems to be a case of disliking it solely because it's a change. I could understand people criticising when they began to remove some of the shades from Tyrion's character, but can you imagine if they kept the rape scene in the show? It could just never happen, the uproar would make septgate look like minor tremors of controversy. As an aside, I hated that in the books. I know Tyrion is a much darker character there and it makes sense with his loss of political and sexual power in a very much patriarchal society, but that was when a lot of the sympathy I had for him just faded away. We're disliking it, because it removes Tyrion's "darker side". On the show Tyrion is not controversial or anything, he's just a top bloke. Most likely we're going to have a rape scene any way. Controversy incoming. Instead of him raping someone, they could make him do something less nasty. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2015 21:43:18 GMT
My only problem with whitewashing on the show is Cersei, they are seriously making her reasonable this season  |
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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2015 21:43:54 GMT
But that's kind of my point. It seems to be a case of disliking it solely because it's a change. I could understand people criticising when they began to remove some of the shades from Tyrion's character, but can you imagine if they kept the rape scene in the show? It could just never happen, the uproar would make septgate look like minor tremors of controversy. As an aside, I hated that in the books. I know Tyrion is a much darker character there and it makes sense with his loss of political and sexual power in a very much patriarchal society, but that was when a lot of the sympathy I had for him just faded away. We're disliking it, because it removes Tyrion's "darker side". On the show Tyrion is not controversial or anything, he's just a top bloke. Most likely we're going to have a rape scene any way. Controversy incoming. Instead of him raping someone, they could make him do something less nasty. Yeah I do agree actually. I kind of hope he becomes more dickish as the season goes on, but equally I won't be surprised if he doesn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:44:19 GMT
My only problem with whitewashing on the show is Cersei, they are seriously making her reasonable this season She even acts nice. That's so out of character! Well, this should change in the next episode. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:45:20 GMT
We're disliking it, because it removes Tyrion's "darker side". On the show Tyrion is not controversial or anything, he's just a top bloke. Most likely we're going to have a rape scene any way. Controversy incoming. Instead of him raping someone, they could make him do something less nasty. Yeah I do agree actually. I kind of hope he becomes more dickish as the season goes on, but equally I won't be surprised if he doesn't. The books dragged on depressed Tyrion for too long and it became boring. The chance for D&D was to make him a total cunt in the first episodes and then slowly "recover" back to normality. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:45:37 GMT
To be fair Jaime didn't rape anyone in the books But that's kind of my point. It seems to be a case of disliking it solely because it's a change. I could understand people criticising when they began to remove some of the shades from Tyrion's character, but can you imagine if they kept the rape scene in the show? It could just never happen, the uproar would make septgate look like minor tremors of controversy. I don't think it's that people dislike it because it's a change necessarily, it's just something else to add to the long list of ways the show have whitewashed Tyrion. They've removed so much of Tyrion's darker side at various different points and it's just getting a bit ridiculous. |
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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2015 21:48:26 GMT
But that's kind of my point. It seems to be a case of disliking it solely because it's a change. I could understand people criticising when they began to remove some of the shades from Tyrion's character, but can you imagine if they kept the rape scene in the show? It could just never happen, the uproar would make septgate look like minor tremors of controversy. I don't think it's that people dislike it because it's a change necessarily, it's just something else to add to the long list of ways the show have whitewashed Tyrion. They've removed so much of Tyrion's darker side at various different points and it's just getting a bit ridiculous. Yeah and I can understand people feeling like that in general, just not with the omission of a rape scene. Although it seems I was wrong about that ever being suggested. |
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Post by boojam on Apr 27, 2015 22:00:02 GMT
Interesting bit of obscure implication. Tyrion understands Valyrian. Varys should speak it. Something in the books the show has never used , I think? A lot of Westerosi aristocracy , bookwise, spoke and understood Valyrian. Seems to me Jorah did in the books, some other instances. This bothered me as well. D&D are bad when it comes to little details like this. Well , I mean, the show is being subtle in showing that Tyrion understands Valyrian and apparently Varys too, when the brothel guard speaks to him he understands what is being said, not sure the guard understands his Common Tongue answer. |
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Post by sj4iy on Apr 27, 2015 22:01:36 GMT
My only problem with whitewashing on the show is Cersei, they are seriously making her reasonable this season I absolutely loathe her in AFFC, so I have to admit that show-Cersei's reasonableness is a breath of fresh air to me. |
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Post by vantinejefferson on Apr 27, 2015 23:17:23 GMT
I agree, that with the lighting and general cinematography it was a dark episode period, which probably added to that. It seemed like an incredibly 'muted' color palatte.
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