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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2015 8:45:00 GMT
That was absolutely intentional, was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Absolutely loved this episode, probably surpasses Two Swords as my favourite early season one. And not just for a few of the amazing individual scenes (Boltons, Jon, High Sparrow, Tyrion) but the whole Starky feel of it. It felt great to finally see that the flames of the family are still burning throughout an episode. Also the mentor/apprentice relationships were noticeable, with slightly different dynamics for all of them. Brienne and Pod's scene was comfortably their best together and it makes Pod's future development specifically a real point of interest. I was surprised at how much I coped with the heavy deviations, quite a lot of the time I didn't even flinch at them, which shows that they've been dealt with pretty naturally IMO. And don't even get me started on Janos' execution, what a brilliantly executed scene that was. I think the lack of mourning for 'Edd fetch me a block' (that I've seen anyway) is the best testament to that.
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2015 8:52:57 GMT
That was absolutely intentional, was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Absolutely loved this episode, probably surpasses Two Swords as my favourite early season one. And not just for a few of the amazing individual scenes (Boltons, Jon, High Sparrow, Tyrion) but the whole Starky feel of it. It felt great to finally see that the flames of the family are still burning throughout an episode. Also the mentor/apprentice relationships were noticeable, with slightly different dynamics for all of them. Brienne and Pod's scene was comfortably their best together and it makes Pod's future development specifically a real point of interest. I was surprised at how much I coped with the heavy deviations, quite a lot of the time I didn't even flinch at them, which shows that they've been dealt with pretty naturally IMO. And don't even get me started on Janos' execution, what a brilliantly executed scene that was. I think the lack of mourning for 'Edd fetch me a block' (that I've seen anyway) is the best testament to that. Oh there is plenty of that on other boards :/
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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2015 9:11:10 GMT
Ah okay. :/
Only really looked on the subreddits and a couple of others. Can only imagine what westeros.org is like.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:12:17 GMT
And don't even get me started on Janos' execution, what a brilliantly executed scene that was. I think the lack of mourning for 'Edd fetch me a block' (that I've seen anyway) is the best testament to that. Oh there is plenty of that on other boards :/ Which is funny because the function of the "fetch" line within the scene was completely changed anyways. The reason "fetch me a block" worked so well in ADWD was because it quickly made it apparent that Jon wouldn't spare Slynt. In the show, without the threat of hanging Janos and with Jon's wordless pause before killing Slynt instead of it, that line was unnecessary during that part of the scene, which is why we got it earlier.
I'd have liked for Jon to have been reminded of the part Janos played in Ned's downfall in either 501 or 502, since that's the sort of thing Slynt would brag about and it would give his execution even more weight...but the scene still worked really well as it was, despite that lines' alteration and different placement in the scene. The direction was lovely and Kit, Dominic Carter, Owen Teale, Ben Crompton and Stevey Dillane were all on-point.
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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2015 9:25:22 GMT
Anyone else actually feel a little but sorry for Janos when he was squealing for mercy? I mean I know he's a scumbag and he's a coward but we are very quick to wish death upon characters we dislike, but when it really comes to it I can't help but feel pity. Kind of like with Joffrey. I thought Carter's performance went a long way towards feeling like this - didn't realise he'd be capable of really powerful dramatic acting.
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2015 9:26:11 GMT
Oh there is plenty of that on other boards :/ Which is funny because the function of the "fetch" line within the scene was completely changed anyways. The reason "fetch me a block" worked so well in ADWD was because it quickly made it apparent that Jon wouldn't spare Slynt. In the show, without the threat of hanging Janos and with Jon's wordless pause before killing Slynt instead of it, that line was unnecessary during that part of the scene, which is why we got it earlier.
I'd have liked for Jon to have been reminded of the part Janos played in Ned's downfall in either 501 or 502, since that's the sort of thing Slynt would brag about and it would give his execution even more weight...but the scene still worked really well as it was, despite that lines' alteration and different placement in the scene. The direction was lovely and Kit, Dominic Carter, Owen Teale, Ben Crompton and Stevey Dillane were all on-point.
Yep! I wish the non book readers were specifically reminded of Slynt's participation in all the hideous things that happened in King's Landing. I really liked the scene, though, particularly how dynamic it was, loved the shot of Jon descending and taking the sword from Olly
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 27, 2015 9:37:45 GMT
I loved how Jon didn't leave the mess hall until he finished his drink
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2015 9:56:31 GMT
I loved how Jon didn't leave the mess hall until he finished his drink That was badass
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 27, 2015 10:52:51 GMT
I loved how Jon didn't leave the mess hall until he finished his drink I took that as Jon building up his courage. I did not mourn "Edd, fetch me a block." That's really the point where Jon remembers Ned's lessons and decides to do the deed himself, rather than hang the guy. I did kind of feel bad for Janos (I know, I Know. He betrayed Ned!) but if Jon spared him (much like if Robb had spared Karstark) he would have continued to defy Jon's orders and weakened his authority. It will be interesting to see if the rest of the NW will agree with Jon's quick execution of the guy or how they feel about Jon seeming to want Stannis's approval. I will say and I have said in the past that I am not a fan of Kit Harington's acting, but this episode was his best work since season 1. Although having Olly as a squire makes me say, run, Jon, run. Listen to Davos! This episode has been the best for me of the season 5 ones. I hate Sansa's storyline. I loathe the Boltons and Sansa's part in this makes no sense. I'll save it for later when I can post in the Sansa thread. Arya's was kind of slow but I got a little choked up when she burying Needle in the rocks. Nice introduction to the "High Sparrow". Nice back and forth between Cersei and Margarey as well. Hated Tommen and Margarey, glad the spoilers prepared me for that. Tommen, not such a good actor in this episode. I guess Bryan Cogman is trying to undo the damage they've done to Brienne by having her recognize that she has not been nice to Pod, although Pod totally blows it off as no big deal. I wish they had him tell her, 'Yeah, you've been a jerk to me for no reason." The scene where she talks about Renly to him was a nice one. I hope they get to Winterfell soon. Sansa's going to need them. I wish the show would not hit us over the head with how special Jon and Tyrion are though. We have Varys doing that for Tyrion and now Davos doing that for Jon (although Davos is right, Jon needs to go to Winterfell. He doesn't have to be Lord. He just has to kill some Boltons).
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Post by boojam on Apr 27, 2015 11:31:34 GMT
What was with that girl hitting Arya? In the books The Waif is the only other FP (Faceless Person) Arya speaks to besides the Kindly Man (except for the FM council way much later in the story). The Kindly Man and The Waif never have names , I can't remember if Arya ever address them with some identifier ? When the KM and Waif are together I guess they know who she's speaking to? The Waif is , as far as we know, a full fledged Faceless (Person) having been at the HoBaW since she was a child. They sort of gave The Waif some the KM's actions of pestering Arya about being No One. The character appears in the book as a strange looking child but is actually a woman of 36. This would have been hard to cast ... Faye Marsay is creepy enough so it's ok. They use the language angle sparingly in GoT tho they don't exclude it, which is good. Arya , book wise, spends a lot of time with the Waif learning Braavosi Valyrian, I don't see um doing that, but I hope they don't drop the language deal in Braavos. Arya and the Waif spend almost as much time together as Arya does with the KM. They even seem to become friends , as much as the FM have friends.
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Post by boojam on Apr 27, 2015 12:04:39 GMT
Thought Qyburn's quip to ol zom-Gregor was funny, but too much time spent of that scene that could have been used elsewhere.
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Post by boojam on Apr 27, 2015 12:17:21 GMT
I loved how Jon didn't leave the mess hall until he finished his drink That was badass In the book it did not surprise that Jon wasn't taking any of Slynt's lip, but it did surprise me when he RIGHT NOW! no fooking around gave Slynt the Big Haircut. Happened that way on the show!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 12:20:42 GMT
One thing I did notice very strongly tonight was how...claustrophobic many of the scenes were. Maybe because I'm claustrophobic myself--my greatest terror is to find myself confined into a small space where I can hardly move. (I'm hyper-ventilating just writing this!!) Scene after scene--Tyrion in the wheelhouse saying 'I have to get out of here.' (Me, too!) Tyrion and Varys jostling their way through the crowded market, hemmed in, barely able to move, the brothel jam-packed, and Arya in the HoBaW--a big space, huge, but...closed in, huge doors closing and no way out. eeek! Not a criticism at all, I loved this episode, but all that had to be deliberate, everybody hemmed in, closed in, surrounded, can't get free. And then of course, Jorah had to bind heavy ropes around Tyrion and stuff a gag in his mouth. *faints* Bump. I'm bumping this only because I'm curious to hear if anyone else felt that same sense of our characters being hemmed in, closed in and unable to break free. It has to have been a deliberate decision on the director's part, I think.
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Post by boojam on Apr 27, 2015 12:34:24 GMT
One thing I did notice very strongly tonight was how...claustrophobic many of the scenes were. Maybe because I'm claustrophobic myself--my greatest terror is to find myself confined into a small space where I can hardly move. (I'm hyper-ventilating just writing this!!) Scene after scene--Tyrion in the wheelhouse saying 'I have to get out of here.' (Me, too!) Tyrion and Varys jostling their way through the crowded market, hemmed in, barely able to move, the brothel jam-packed, and Arya in the HoBaW--a big space, huge, but...closed in, huge doors closing and no way out. eeek! Not a criticism at all, I loved this episode, but all that had to be deliberate, everybody hemmed in, closed in, surrounded, can't get free. And then of course, Jorah had to bind heavy ropes around Tyrion and stuff a gag in his mouth. *faints* Bump. I'm bumping this only because I'm curious to hear if anyone else felt that same sense of our characters being hemmed in, closed in and unable to break free. It has to have been a deliberate decision on the director's part, I think. Well I think that was on purpose but then I am not claustrophobic.
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2015 12:45:27 GMT
One thing I did notice very strongly tonight was how...claustrophobic many of the scenes were. Maybe because I'm claustrophobic myself--my greatest terror is to find myself confined into a small space where I can hardly move. (I'm hyper-ventilating just writing this!!) Scene after scene--Tyrion in the wheelhouse saying 'I have to get out of here.' (Me, too!) Tyrion and Varys jostling their way through the crowded market, hemmed in, barely able to move, the brothel jam-packed, and Arya in the HoBaW--a big space, huge, but...closed in, huge doors closing and no way out. eeek! Not a criticism at all, I loved this episode, but all that had to be deliberate, everybody hemmed in, closed in, surrounded, can't get free. And then of course, Jorah had to bind heavy ropes around Tyrion and stuff a gag in his mouth. *faints* Bump. I'm bumping this only because I'm curious to hear if anyone else felt that same sense of our characters being hemmed in, closed in and unable to break free. It has to have been a deliberate decision on the director's part, I think. Also Jon's chamber looked awfully small.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 12:54:18 GMT
One bit I'm not clear about--when Tyrion and Varys were in the brothel and Tyrion was about to go off with that woman, he suddenly stopped and backed out of the deal. I get that he's undergoing some realization of change/growth within himself. But he seemed to be staring at her hand or arm, was he seeing something and I missed it? I don't know, a bracelet that reminded him of Shae or something like that? I found that whole bit confusing, just from the angle of the filming--was he supposed to be looking at something? Or just looking into himself, his thoughts? Didn't Shae use to take Tyrion by the hand...? It was a very good episode, pretty tight storytelling although they pent too much time in the Qyburn it, they could have done it quicker. Agree, that the Sparrow is doing the wolf in sheep's clothing bit, it's all about having your enemies underestimate you. Jon's bits were all good and of course they are so setting up Olly as the betrayer because you know, drama. I know this is sacrilegious for some but I'm really intrigued with where they are going wit the Sansa bit. I think it'll be a combination of fArya and Lord Manderly.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 27, 2015 13:55:57 GMT
There was a very quick shot of a block being placed on the ground and we couldn't tell who placed it there.
But I think we know...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 15:00:07 GMT
Easily the best episode of the three I've seen. The folks at Westeros are rating this episode 3 just because no "Edd fetch me a block", Sansa in Winterfell etc. By changing the storylines from the books the Children is easily the worst episode, but I gave it a 10. I don't rate episodes judging by how they deviate from the books. I rate them judging by how good they are. And that's it.
Loved every minute of Roose, him snarking at Ramsay and Littlefinger was pure gold. I also enjoyed Lancel's performance when they captured the Tyrion's High Septon. Then there was the Nod, Edd, fetch me a block Olly, bring my sword, Reek, Arya's Needle scene and the list goes one. And also the whore dressed as Daenerys.
Seems like Tyrion hasn't heard about Mel.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Apr 27, 2015 15:15:47 GMT
Overall I didn't like it. Even though the actors performances were as great as ever, and some scenes (Janos' death, the High Sparrow, Arya's scenes) were very good IMO, I just can't get over how Margaery has been acting this season, as well as the Littlefinger/Sansa plot. I'm actually pretty divided while watching, it's been like that since this season's ep 1. Some arcs are very good (specially the Wall), others just make me want to turn off my tv (not because it is different, but because I'm not liking so far at all. I'll still keep trying, though).
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Post by breakfest on Apr 27, 2015 15:54:03 GMT
Easily the best episode of the three I've seen. The folks at Westeros are rating this episode 3 just because no "Edd fetch me a block", Sansa in Winterfell etc. By changing the storylines from the books the Children is easily the worst episode, but I gave it a 10. I don't rate episodes judging by how they deviate from the books. I rate them judging by how good they are. And that's it. Loved every minute of Roose, him snarking at Ramsay and Littlefinger was pure gold. I also enjoyed Lancel's performance when they captured the Tyrion's High Septon. Then there was the Nod, Edd, fetch me a block Olly, bring my sword, Reek, Arya's Needle scene and the list goes one. And also the whore dressed as Daenerys. Seems like Tyrion hasn't heard about Mel.Said King's Landing tbf.
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