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Post by day dreamer on May 20, 2019 15:22:34 GMT
Oh, one bit of fan service I did really like - Davos correcting Bronn's grammar. Stannis would be so proud.
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Post by kingeomer on May 20, 2019 15:49:38 GMT
I'm probably taking all the criticism over King Bran way too personally because he's one of my favorites, but I hate that D&D never did more with him. Aside from rushing, D&D's biggest flaw was picking favorites and unfortunately one of their least favorite characters ended up King and they never allowed him to do anything cool with his powers outside of trolling Jaime. I would not have had an issue with King Bran (Bran is one of my favorites as well) if the show did something with Bran. D&D did not know how to handle the more magical aspects of the story. Sidelining Bran for a season was a mistake. The ability to see the past, present and I presume future but not be able to change it, is his power (on the show). Bran would make a good king in this world because he has left (in a sense) the world behind. He can look at the families and the kingdom with an objective eye. He needed better storylines on the show. Just like I would not have had such a major issue with Mad Queen Dany if it had been better developed and seemed less abrupt. Another thing that annoyed me, having Edmure come back as a bumbling idiot. Granted he shot his shot when no one was standing to be king...but wouldn't this guy who had survived two wars---seen his lands and people starved out by the Lannisters and his marriage night was marred (to put it lightly) by the slaughter of his oldest sister, nephew, and their soldiers---have some more seasoned input than that???? |
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Post by Singer of Death on May 20, 2019 16:09:06 GMT
Remember when we all thought R+L=J actually mattered and Dany and Jon would rule together. HAHAHAHAHA. Those Jonerys threads certainly aged well... |
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Post by Enid on May 20, 2019 16:23:09 GMT
Is not the fans fault D&D went against their own foreshadowing.
Season 6 finale had Dany saying she was willing to marry in Westeros and they had a cut to Jon being named king. They mentioned a marriage again in the season 7 finale and in the season 8 premiere. Jon and Dany had a chat about her being barren and Jon mentioned witches being unreliable.
They set up Jon and Dany as a marriage. IMO they just threw it out of the window to have a quicker and more surprising ending
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Post by day dreamer on May 20, 2019 16:41:02 GMT
They beat us over the head with Jonerys in S7 which makes the outcome even more annoying, they even foreshadowed pregnancy so heavily. It felt like they only laid it on so thick to subvert expectations.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 20, 2019 17:39:11 GMT
Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 20, 2019 17:57:58 GMT
I wonder if they've watched the show Hannibal: |
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Post by Enid on May 20, 2019 17:59:40 GMT
Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city. Her crown looks a lot like Cersei's. IDK how to feel about her ending. Fanservice aside, Sansa betrayed Jon by telling his secret and in exchange she gets what she wanted, to be QITN. The only consequence for her actions seems to be Jon not saying he forgives her during their goodbye, otherwise nothing else changes because Bran and Arya were not going back north anyway. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 20, 2019 18:10:13 GMT
Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city. what's wrong with that |
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Post by Singer of Death on May 20, 2019 18:11:21 GMT
Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city. Her crown looks a lot like Cersei's. IDK how to feel about her ending. Fanservice aside, Sansa betrayed Jon by telling his secret and in exchange she gets what she wanted, to be QITN. The only consequence for her actions seems to be Jon not saying he forgives her during their goodbye, otherwise nothing else changes because Bran and Arya were not going back north anyway. I feel like this is the only price that Sansa has to pay for betraying Jon and some of the stuff she done in the past seasons. She gets to be QtTN, but her family members were off doing their own things, she doesn’t have anyone close by personally. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 20, 2019 18:26:58 GMT
Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city. what's wrong with that The death of thousands of innocent people. I was hoping that as a Stark, she could have used her developed wit for altruistic purposes. Imagine someone with the political savvy of Littlefinger but the honor of Need Stark... |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 20, 2019 18:30:08 GMT
The death of thousands of innocent people. I was hoping that as a Stark, she could have used her developed wit for altruistic purposes. Imagine someone with the political savvy of Littlefinger but the honor of Need Stark... i was kidding, bud But yes I do believe Sansa is isn’t necessarily as morally upright as Jon, but she isn’t nearly as self serving as Cersei and Petyr. She might be the best thing for the North tbh. Not an honor-bound dummy like Ned, but not a scheming lunatic like Cersei. A happy medium between good person and smart person. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 20, 2019 18:35:45 GMT
The death of thousands of innocent people. I was hoping that as a Stark, she could have used her developed wit for altruistic purposes. Imagine someone with the political savvy of Littlefinger but the honor of Need Stark... i was kidding, bud But yes I do believe Sansa is isn’t necessarily as morally upright as Jon, but she isn’t nearly as self serving as Cersei and Petyr. She might be the best thing for the North tbh. Not an honor-bound dummy like Ned, but not a scheming lunatic like Cersei. A happy medium between good person and smart person. Sorry, I'm a little defensive, I've spent my morning discussing the show online, and I keep getting called dumb or a man baby. I haven't insulted anyone that disagrees with me and it's quite sad that some people think it's okay or even empowering to talk to others that way. Anyway I would have like more screentime with Sansa in latter seasons to help flesh out her moral compass and why she dislikes Dany so much. It's hard for me to suss out with what little they gave us. |
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Post by Basil on May 20, 2019 18:38:01 GMT
Here some ideas on how they could do a sequel.
Game of Thrones 2: Electric Boogaloo
- Drogon carries Dany's body to Volantis where she is resurrected by a Red Priestess. UnDany is pissed off as fuck and flies back to Westeros to exact bloody vengeance.
- Meanwhile, it turns out Bran was the Night King the entire time, everything happened exactly according to his plan to seize power. Slowly, he begins to corrupt the nobility from within.
- Arya accidentally awakens an ancient evil in the far west. The fate of humanity, once again, hangs by a thread.
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Post by Basil on May 20, 2019 18:46:18 GMT
also ... what happened to Ellaria Sand?  |
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Post by Singer of Death on May 20, 2019 19:03:08 GMT
i was kidding, bud But yes I do believe Sansa is isn’t necessarily as morally upright as Jon, but she isn’t nearly as self serving as Cersei and Petyr. She might be the best thing for the North tbh. Not an honor-bound dummy like Ned, but not a scheming lunatic like Cersei. A happy medium between good person and smart person. Sorry, I'm a little defensive, I've spent my morning discussing the show online, and I keep getting called dumb or a man baby. I haven't insulted anyone that disagrees with me and it's quite sad that some people think it's okay or even empowering to talk to others that way. Anyway I would have like more screentime with Sansa in latter seasons to help flesh out her moral compass and why she dislikes Dany so much. It's hard for me to suss out with what little they gave us. As much as I like Sansa, I agreed. I don’t like the way they handled Sansa’s reasons and actions ever since season 6. In this season, Sansa wanted the North’s independence, but here there’s no particular reason as to why she has to be hostile toward Dany. |
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Post by day dreamer on May 20, 2019 21:20:16 GMT
also ... what happened to Ellaria Sand? Cersei starved her ass in the dungeons slowly. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on May 20, 2019 21:35:14 GMT
At least good boy Ghost got what he deserved.
The rest of it was "good" but required more context. This episode felt super rushed, like they were desperate to get everyone shipped off to where they had to be.
I hate the Sansa/independent north nonsense, it makes 0 sense. Why are all the other kingdoms ok with this? Why has the north suffered more than any other Kingdom? The Riverlands got the worst by far, do they get to claim independence? Again, needs more context.
I also like the idea of King Bran, but show Bran is not book Bran and that will never not annoy me.
I don't know. I didn't enjoy this at all, aside from Ghost pats.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on May 20, 2019 21:54:04 GMT
Proposed alternative ending to that "Kingsmoot".
Davos: "Ser Brienne gave me this several years ago..."
Davos pulls out a jar with a well preserved head inside. He turns to Bran and asks
Davos "You can bring the dead back to life?"
Bran: "I can..."
Davos: "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
Bran: "He'll need a body..."
Bran looks at the melted remains of the Iron Throne.
Bran: "We can rebuild him. We have the technology."
From the melted remains of the iron throne they created a new king: Mecha-Stannis.
Mecha-Stannis: "I am the Iron Throne. All those that deny that are my foes."
If D&D can write bad fan fiction, so can I.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 20, 2019 21:54:58 GMT
Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city. Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city. Her crown looks a lot like Cersei's. IDK how to feel about her ending. Fanservice aside, Sansa betrayed Jon by telling his secret and in exchange she gets what she wanted, to be QITN. The only consequence for her actions seems to be Jon not saying he forgives her during their goodbye, otherwise nothing else changes because Bran and Arya were not going back north anyway. This is why inhate the ending, i can’t feel good about the Stark kids getting happy endings when they have all behaved so horribly all season. Guess its okay to be awful when your name is Stark, there shall be no repercussions. i know it was intended as humour but i hated sansa humiliating her uncle in front of all of the lords |
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