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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 20, 2019 21:56:42 GMT
I loved seeing Brienne write Jaime’s KG entry. But it makes no sense that she is staying with Bran and not Sansa
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on May 20, 2019 22:31:49 GMT
Is Sansa going independent supposed to be a win? She's basically more Cersei/Littlefinger than Stark. Her scheming kind of led to the destruction of a city. Her crown looks a lot like Cersei's. IDK how to feel about her ending. Fanservice aside, Sansa betrayed Jon by telling his secret and in exchange she gets what she wanted, to be QITN. The only consequence for her actions seems to be Jon not saying he forgives her during their goodbye, otherwise nothing else changes because Bran and Arya were not going back north anyway. This is why inhate the ending, i can’t feel good about the Stark kids getting happy endings when they have all behaved so horribly all season. Guess its okay to be awful when your name is Stark, there shall be no repercussions. i know it was intended as humour but i hated sansa humiliating her uncle in front of all of the lords I watched this episode with a room full of casuals and the only thing anyone said about that scene was "who the fuck is that?" |
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 20, 2019 22:32:12 GMT
"I'm sorry Lady Catelyn, this promotion is too good to pass up. I'm sure your daughters will be safe."
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 20, 2019 22:57:58 GMT
"I'm sorry Lady Catelyn, this promotion is too good to pass up. I'm sure your daughters will be safe." Well to be fair its still Cat’s son she is protecting. But the show has clearly established her as Sansa’s protector so suddenly shoving her over to Bran. Meh. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 20, 2019 23:10:50 GMT
I'm trying to imagine telling me back in 2015, just after S5 ended, that by the end not only would I consider Brienne's ending to be the most satisfying, but that she would also probably my favourite character, I don't think I would ever take myself seriously ever again.
Like yeah it's weird she's now effectively left the Starks, but I just can't help but be happy that not only was she knighted, but now she's the knight that generations will aspire to be.
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Post by day dreamer on May 21, 2019 0:43:04 GMT
I loved seeing Brienne write Jaime’s KG entry. But it makes no sense that she is staying with Bran and not Sansa This made sense to me logistically. She's still protecting a Stark child but now she's closer to Tarth too in case she wants to visit and/or enjoy her preferred climate after so long up north.  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 21, 2019 1:27:28 GMT
I think it's just awkward because Sansa seems to have no protector. I assume Lord Royce will go back to the Vale so the only other character we know in Winterfell is Maester Wolken. It would help if they introduced a new Master of Arms in Winterfell.
That's an area where the show really suffered in later seasons, the world and cities feel so small now. Like the major characters are the only ones living there. They stopped developing new characters or even doing transition shots featuring The cities/commoners.
King's Landing is the worst offender. Cersei, Qyburn and Mountain are literally the only characters in KL for seasons 7-8. They should've introduced more conflict because it really just amounted to Cersei waiting around d for the story to catch up.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 21, 2019 1:31:40 GMT
Sansa might not need a protector anymore. She’s a Queen and all the people she needed protection from are dead.
I loved her ending so much. I would watch a spin-off about her reign in the North.
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 21, 2019 1:43:43 GMT
Sansa might not need a protector anymore. She’s a Queen and all the people she needed protection from are dead. I loved her ending so much. I would watch a spin-off about her reign in the North. So she should have a Queensguard. I'm just saying it'd be nice if there was a figurehead character for that role, like Mountain/Barristan etc. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 21, 2019 1:51:36 GMT
Sansa might not need a protector anymore. She’s a Queen and all the people she needed protection from are dead. I loved her ending so much. I would watch a spin-off about her reign in the North. So she should have a Queensguard. I'm just saying it'd be nice if there was a figurehead character for that role, like Mountain/Barristan etc. Queensguard is a 7K tradition, the North isn’t in the 7K anymore. The North isn’t just Kings Landing with snow, it’s its whole own thing. The Kings of Winter were a whole lineage of Northern monarchs with their own customs. Robb never had a Hand or a Kingsguard either, IIRC. But maybe they should have had someone with her. Idk who since everyone was pretty much occupied. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 21, 2019 2:16:34 GMT
So she should have a Queensguard. I'm just saying it'd be nice if there was a figurehead character for that role, like Mountain/Barristan etc. Queensguard is a 7K tradition, the North isn’t in the 7K anymore. The North isn’t just Kings Landing with snow, it’s its whole own thing. The Kings of Winter were a whole lineage of Northern monarchs with their own customs. Robb never had a Hand or a Kingsguard either, IIRC. But maybe they should have had someone with her. Idk who since everyone was pretty much occupied. Yeah you're right. I can't remember what Robb had set up, I was thinking of Catelyn having Ser Rodrick follow her around for protection. |
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Post by Basil on May 21, 2019 4:56:49 GMT
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 21, 2019 10:20:48 GMT
I think it's just awkward because Sansa seems to have no protector. I assume Lord Royce will go back to the Vale so the only other character we know in Winterfell is Maester Wolken. It would help if they introduced a new Master of Arms in Winterfell. That's an area where the show really suffered in later seasons, the world and cities feel so small now. Like the major characters are the only ones living there. They stopped developing new characters or even doing transition shots featuring The cities/commoners. King's Landing is the worst offender. Cersei, Qyburn and Mountain are literally the only characters in KL for seasons 7-8. They should've introduced more conflict because it really just amounted to Cersei waiting around d for the story to catch up. This was something i hated too, Westeros just felt so small. Dorne was a garden and a beach front, populated by a wheelchair bound man, his carer and some wimpy ass poorly written femme fatales. The Vale was basically Lord Royce and Robert Arryn and two token others who were promptly dropped post-S4. The Riverlands has Edmure and they did have the Freys but i guess they got massacred so thats that. And the Reach is so fucking small and empty the Lannister army can apparently march overland and shout surprise mother fuckers and take Highgarden in a pinch. Sansa might not need a protector anymore. She’s a Queen and all the people she needed protection from are dead. I loved her ending so much. I would watch a spin-off about her reign in the North. A queen needs a protector more, not less. Powerful political figures become targets. Her former enemies may be dead, but there will be plenty more want to kill her in future if not already. Edmure So she should have a Queensguard. I'm just saying it'd be nice if there was a figurehead character for that role, like Mountain/Barristan etc. Queensguard is a 7K tradition, the North isn’t in the 7K anymore. The North isn’t just Kings Landing with snow, it’s its whole own thing. The Kings of Winter were a whole lineage of Northern monarchs with their own customs. Robb never had a Hand or a Kingsguard either, IIRC. But maybe they should have had someone with her. Idk who since everyone was pretty much occupied. Robb had his own personal guard, of around 20 i think, pushed by Catelyn as all good ideas are. It was made up his best soldiers and children of his Lords. The North might have their own customs and traditions but a protector for the Monarch is just good sense. The show hasnt really had Sansa build a relationship with anyone in the North. Now that Brienne is gone she is starting her rule completely alone. But really this goes back to Davey’s point about how small the world is. Damnit but they should have brought Meera back, perfect opportunity for Sansa to build a relationship with a fellow Northerner who could help her as Queen |
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Post by kingeomer on May 21, 2019 11:16:35 GMT
Is not the fans fault D&D went against their own foreshadowing. Season 6 finale had Dany saying she was willing to marry in Westeros and they had a cut to Jon being named king. They mentioned a marriage again in the season 7 finale and in the season 8 premiere. Jon and Dany had a chat about her being barren and Jon mentioned witches being unreliable. They set up Jon and Dany as a marriage. IMO they just threw it out of the window to have a quicker and more surprising ending This is so true. D&D set it up for fans to expect one thing, only to go for the shock and awe aspect of story telling (that has been an issue of later seasons). The death of thousands of innocent people. I was hoping that as a Stark, she could have used her developed wit for altruistic purposes. Imagine someone with the political savvy of Littlefinger but the honor of Need Stark... i was kidding, bud But yes I do believe Sansa is isn’t necessarily as morally upright as Jon, but she isn’t nearly as self serving as Cersei and Petyr. She might be the best thing for the North tbh. Not an honor-bound dummy like Ned, but not a scheming lunatic like Cersei. A happy medium between good person and smart person. I agree that Sansa is probably a mix of Ned/Cersei/Littlefinger. While we wish she was more of her father and less of the other two-how could they have not have influenced her? i was kidding, bud But yes I do believe Sansa is isn’t necessarily as morally upright as Jon, but she isn’t nearly as self serving as Cersei and Petyr. She might be the best thing for the North tbh. Not an honor-bound dummy like Ned, but not a scheming lunatic like Cersei. A happy medium between good person and smart person. Sorry, I'm a little defensive, I've spent my morning discussing the show online, and I keep getting called dumb or a man baby. I haven't insulted anyone that disagrees with me and it's quite sad that some people think it's okay or even empowering to talk to others that way. Anyway I would have like more screentime with Sansa in latter seasons to help flesh out her moral compass and why she dislikes Dany so much. It's hard for me to suss out with what little they gave us. I am sorry you had those experiences online. That's why I keep to here. We are respectful to each other even if we do not agree. I also agree that I would have liked to see more as to what it was about Dany that Sansa didn't like. I think it's just awkward because Sansa seems to have no protector. I assume Lord Royce will go back to the Vale so the only other character we know in Winterfell is Maester Wolken. It would help if they introduced a new Master of Arms in Winterfell. That's an area where the show really suffered in later seasons, the world and cities feel so small now. Like the major characters are the only ones living there. They stopped developing new characters or even doing transition shots featuring The cities/commoners. King's Landing is the worst offender. Cersei, Qyburn and Mountain are literally the only characters in KL for seasons 7-8. They should've introduced more conflict because it really just amounted to Cersei waiting around d for the story to catch up. 100% to all of this. I think it's just awkward because Sansa seems to have no protector. I assume Lord Royce will go back to the Vale so the only other character we know in Winterfell is Maester Wolken. It would help if they introduced a new Master of Arms in Winterfell. That's an area where the show really suffered in later seasons, the world and cities feel so small now. Like the major characters are the only ones living there. They stopped developing new characters or even doing transition shots featuring The cities/commoners. King's Landing is the worst offender. Cersei, Qyburn and Mountain are literally the only characters in KL for seasons 7-8. They should've introduced more conflict because it really just amounted to Cersei waiting around d for the story to catch up. This was something i hated too, Westeros just felt so small. Dorne was a garden and a beach front, populated by a wheelchair bound man, his carer and some wimpy ass poorly written femme fatales. The Vale was basically Lord Royce and Robert Arryn and two token others who were promptly dropped post-S4. The Riverlands has Edmure and they did have the Freys but i guess they got massacred so thats that. And the Reach is so fucking small and empty the Lannister army can apparently march overland and shout surprise mother fuckers and take Highgarden in a pinch. Sansa might not need a protector anymore. She’s a Queen and all the people she needed protection from are dead. I loved her ending so much. I would watch a spin-off about her reign in the North. A queen needs a protector more, not less. Powerful political figures become targets. Her former enemies may be dead, but there will be plenty more want to kill her in future if not already. Edmure Queensguard is a 7K tradition, the North isn’t in the 7K anymore. The North isn’t just Kings Landing with snow, it’s its whole own thing. The Kings of Winter were a whole lineage of Northern monarchs with their own customs. Robb never had a Hand or a Kingsguard either, IIRC. But maybe they should have had someone with her. Idk who since everyone was pretty much occupied. Robb had his own personal guard, of around 20 i think, pushed by Catelyn as all good ideas are. It was made up his best soldiers and children of his Lords. The North might have their own customs and traditions but a protector for the Monarch is just good sense. The show hasnt really had Sansa build a relationship with anyone in the North. Now that Brienne is gone she is starting her rule completely alone. But really this goes back to Davey’s point about how small the world is. Damnit but they should have brought Meera back, perfect opportunity for Sansa to build a relationship with a fellow Northerner who could help her as Queen Robb's guard had some development in the books. He had the Mallisters, Maege Mormont, The Umbers (especially the Great Jon, who vanished on the show after the first season). I believe Dacey Mormont was one of his Kingsguard or the head of it. It would have been a nice touch to have Arya and Jon at least there for Sansa's crowning. Or at least to see Sansa at the tombs with the statues of her father, mother and brothers. I definitely would have liked to see Meera back and serving Sansa in some manner. |
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Post by lordimp on May 21, 2019 12:26:26 GMT
I think it's just awkward because Sansa seems to have no protector. I assume Lord Royce will go back to the Vale so the only other character we know in Winterfell is Maester Wolken. It would help if they introduced a new Master of Arms in Winterfell. That's an area where the show really suffered in later seasons, the world and cities feel so small now. Like the major characters are the only ones living there. They stopped developing new characters or even doing transition shots featuring The cities/commoners. King's Landing is the worst offender. Cersei, Qyburn and Mountain are literally the only characters in KL for seasons 7-8. They should've introduced more conflict because it really just amounted to Cersei waiting around d for the story to catch up. Don't worry the unnamed heroic Stark soldier will protect her. You know that guy with beard that has been around since S5. |
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Post by Basil on May 21, 2019 15:36:01 GMT
I kind of wonder if it would have worked better if they had Dany show some remorse or be at least somewhat conflicted about what she did last episode. The fact that in the throne room she seemed so light-hearted, almost happy ... it's like they really wanted to portray her as a psychopath.
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 21, 2019 15:42:29 GMT
I kind of wonder if it would have worked better if they had Dany show some remorse or be at least somewhat conflicted about what she did last episode. The fact that in the throne room she seemed so light-hearted, almost happy ... it's like they really wanted to portray her as a psychopath. i think they wanted us to believe she was so confident in her ideals and her vision of what was right. it was just weird. reminds me of that scene where that red priestess talked to tyrion and varys and said that dany was fated to "purify nonbelievers with fire" by the thousands, or something to that effect. i guess she came to believe that fire and blood was the way to go, and she was gonna burn the old world down and start a new one. "they can live in my new world or they can die in their old one." |
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Post by Singer of Death on May 21, 2019 18:35:11 GMT
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Post by TheMadQueen on May 21, 2019 20:09:53 GMT
Is Sophie vaping? |
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Post by DaveyJoe on May 21, 2019 23:50:10 GMT
This is pretty savage:
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