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Post by atimeforwolves on May 23, 2016 20:45:34 GMT
This looks pretty damn epic:
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 23, 2016 11:50:55 GMT
I will be grasping at all the straws I can about those Riverlands leaks being wrong lol What I cannot understand at all is why do they bother with Riverrun and BwB. The whole point of Brienne and Jaime in Riverlands is them meeting LSH. In the show Brienne could just as easily stay with Sansa and Jaime, considering his lackey/posse status, could just as easily stay in KL. Yet the show is sending them both, specifically to Riverlands. They are doing the whole thing and while I can understand bringing BwB to kill off Meribald and give Hound something to do (even if it's so lame if Thoros dies this way)and bringing back Freys, the 3rd architect family pof RW why do this whole Riverrun thing. Casual audience doesn't lose sleep over Blackfish, Edmure and Riverrun and if we never saw them again, no one would be too bothered. But the writers are introducing this arc to get Jaime and Brienne to Riverlands. WHY? I'm afraid that they bring back Riverlands plot just to quickly close it and clear the way for more "important" events. Even if that means reduction and simplification in a very unsatisfactory way. They did something similar with Stannis :/ Jaime and Brienne will end up in situation some way close to the book: on opposite sides of the barricades, forced to fight each other. If something bad will happen to Brienne, Jaime will feel guilty and may begin to doubt that he was doing the right thing by listening Cersei. In addition, if Cersei solve the issue of her "trial" in way we suspected, that give solid foundations for Jaime become valonquar. And somwhere close Arya and Sandor are looking to take revenge on the people to which only Jaime will have free access. Anyway, this is too rush and I'm afraid if it all comes logically. I hope some of these leaks are incorrect.
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 16:04:46 GMT
The whitewalker who was seen in the show last night was the first whitewalker. (actor aka Vlad the Impaler) This was prior to the long night and construction of the wall as the wall was built to keep the whitewalkers out. The 13th LC hasn't been mentioned in the show. But it is someone different as there wouldn't have been a Night's Watch prior to the creation of the whitewalkers. Thanks, You wrote this more clearly than I did. Also man, who was stabbed aka first WW is Night's King aka WW leader- Vladimir Furdik is playing this character.
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 15:52:27 GMT
History and lore include him indeed, but show not IIRC. Night King and Night's King (or only Night's King, but they repeat name) are two different characters in books (GRRM told that somewhere on his Not a Blog) and should be two other persons in show as well - guy who was stabed is WW leader, bit he can't be 13LC, because... well 13LC was Lord Commander of the Wall and the Wall was build after first Long Night. The history and lore stuff is part of the show canon. Yes, but not everyone watch it. My point is that even if they share a name they should be two persons. If they aren't well that's a mess. CotF create first WW before Long Night in the show, I don't understand how and why the order could be opposite...
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 15:39:00 GMT
@fireandblood @sati History and lore include him indeed, but show not IIRC. Night King and Night's King (or only Night's King, but they repeat name) are two different characters in books (GRRM told that somewhere on his Not a Blog) and should be two other persons in show as well - guy who was stabbed is WW leader, but he can't be 13LC, because... well 13LC was Lord Commander of the Wall and the Wall was build after first Long Night.
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 15:26:45 GMT
So, the CotF flashback has raised a question for me: has the show essentially retconned the Night's King's backstory? Iirc, one of the mythos/lore videos that come with the DVDs gave essentially the same backstory as the books, that he was a LC of the Night's Watch and fell in love with a female WW and got her pregnant? They are two different characters and I don't think show will include 13LC story, that could confuse the audience.
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 13:51:29 GMT
Wow, that was an amazing episode. I'm still crying. Because everyone said the Kingsmoot was underwhelming, I was expecting it to be crap. Therefore I ended up loving it. I wonder why Sansa lied to Jon. Is she protecting him or LF? Maybe she thinks Jon will ask for the help of the Vale if he knew and she doesn't want anything to do with LF. I think LF manipulated her a bit and she doesn't want to trust anyone fully, even her "half-brother". I hope she'll be smarter than that. Maybe later, I won't stand LF manipuled her no more :/
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 13:34:38 GMT
Guys, I don't think that was Summer. He seemed too small, and there's no way a direwolf would go down that easily. It was just a plot to make WW think that they killed him. Actually Summer is still hiding in BR's cave, waiting for the perfect moment to kill the Night's King. Northern Conspiracy 2.0 confirmed!
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 12:05:03 GMT
For now I can't find the weak points in this episode. Sansa best summed LF: Did you know about Ramsey? If you didn't know you're an idiot, if you did know you're my enemy. Even so, he managed to manipulate her, eh... I really enjoyed that they actually had Sansa say the sentence more critical fans have been saying ever since S5. "If you didn't know you're an idiot, if you did know you're my enemy." I felt like I had deja vu
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 11:57:45 GMT
For now I can't find the weak points in this episode. Sansa best summed LF: Did you know about Ramsay? If you didn't know you're an idiot, if you did know you're my enemy. Even so, he managed to manipulate her, eh...
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 11:49:21 GMT
Yeah, that was really nice, that they played the Winterfell Theme during Hodor's death scene. Nice? More like EVIIIIIIIIIIIIIL. But it worked. It did work. For me more like tragic variation (the effect of a violin or my tears?). Music is always a point here (also love the Stark-Targaryen mix in e3 when Jon hung the mutineers -his reborn theme?)
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 11:35:35 GMT
Don't know if spoiler tag need, but I got the impression that this is not exactly Bran who did it ... Like Wylis realized what was happening and he warg into the future himself. Like it was his own decision to hold that goddamn door As I interpreted it, Bran was definitely the gateway. He had to warg Wylis in order for him to be able to do what he did. But tbh, I don't think past-Wylis did anything. I think he was just used as the "portal" so that Bran could communicate with present-time Hodor. The one who consciously hold the door was Hodor. Wylis, however, was just a victim and bystander. He witnessed it all and will only realize what the fuck happened to him much later in the future (meaning when he becomes our present time Hodor). Yeah, probably exactly what happened. But deep in my heart I will think, that was his own choice.
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 11:32:39 GMT
Yeah, i scre... and try to fix it now It doesn't matter, we don't need spoiler tags in this thread. I'm fairly sure Hodor will come back as a wight. Summer probably too, but CGI is expensive ok, remove spoiler tag. If they'll come back... well that will kill me
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 11:28:33 GMT
Yeah, i scre... and try to fix it now
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 11:26:04 GMT
And Basil was right about the CotF. And I (and many others) were right about Bran "changing" the past, but not really, because he had already changed it before. Harry Potter time-turner-style y'all!! Don't know if spoiler tag need, but I got the impression that this is not exactly Bran who did it ... Like Wylis realized what was happening and he warg into the future himself. Like it was his own decision to hold that goddamn door
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 22, 2016 11:05:04 GMT
Wow... that ending...is the most heartbreaking moment in the entire series for me. I suspected that something like this could happen, but actually watching it... was devastating With music and montage and all we know about him... so poetic and tragic, I'm speechless. One of the most important heroes in this war, and nobody would ever knew about his sacrifice. First element of the bitter-sweet ending.
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 21, 2016 19:27:22 GMT
Well no, but who elso could it be? Varys may still have control of the Little Birds, but such behavior does not fit his character. In the series, he abhors violence and as an ally of Daenerys must be liked by the audience... Perhaps they've portrayed Varys as so pacifist on the show for the same reason they left out the valonqar prophecy as speculated. It makes it more shocking on screen if they don't outright foreshadow everything. Varys is very capable of murder and I think his slightly sinister talk with Vala the harpies informant may have been a clue to his more aggressive involvement soon. I would hope he goes back to pave the way for Daenerys eventually arriving like in the books but who knows how they are changing it.... We don't have confirmed spoilers on him. Of course Varys is capable of violence, I shudder to think what else he did to that sorcerer who mutilated him. But I don't remember him hurt any innocent person and I think it's intentional creation of his character. Also Tyrion is still liekable and is on good terms with his brother. Deanerys and her allies are portrayed as good and righteous and hurt only the bad guys. Little miss multidimensional characters in the books, but the series has to simplify some things .
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 21, 2016 18:35:16 GMT
At what point do we think Cersei will put the hit out on Kevan and Pycelle? I think she'd need them out of the way before her "trial" takes place so...607? Has it been confirmed that it's Cersei who orders the stabbing? Well no, but who elso could it be? Varys may still have control of the Little Birds, but such behavior does not fit his character. In the series, he abhors violence and as an ally of Daenerys must be liked by the audience...
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 21, 2016 15:16:14 GMT
Wildfire has one key defect - is uncontrollable and you can't put it out. Pitchers of a substance would have to be found only in sept, and even then it's hard to rule out the possibility that the area will not explode ordinary fire, or that there are no hidden next pitchers that explode. It's an easy way to burn the whole city, maybe Red Keep would be safe, but not necessarily. Of course, Cersei hates smallfolks almost as much as the High Sparrow and if the city is burned together with the Faith, populations and Tyrell's forces, it suits her. But it's still a risky situation. Probably the showmakers simplify it and burn only what Cersei wants. IIRC Jaime said that pitchers with a wildfire were found under the sept and they had to be removed (?) If there is nothing left, Cersei's allies need to plant new ones. I have a few ideas on how they could do it without arousing suspicion, but these ideas are too...wild
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 21, 2016 14:16:14 GMT
Yes, you're right, I also think that they (Pycelle/Kevan)will die before or at the same time but separately from the trial, I expressed myself imprecisely in a previous post. Children stabbing everyone are good idea, but at the same time... they're only children, this kind of attack would be effective, if at the same time they act with surprise and have numerical advantage over the opponent. So they would need Gregor's help as soon as possible.
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