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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 23:41:37 GMT
I really like most of your posts about Jon, but at the same time I think they're just way too generous interpretations. Because this season (except of brilliant E3) actually show us nothing about this character. I don't blame Jon (he's still in my top 3), don't blame Kit, dont't even blame that our expectations were different than what we get. I blame writers and them only. They wasted literally every chance to show us the development of this character, his feelings, reflections, how he finds himself in a new reality and even other people's reactions on him and his story (and that was huge thing!). From the E4 he remains in Sansa's shadow, following the way of awkward scenes: either he's acting like a fool or making puppy eyes. And I am even more mad because I think writing Jon as stand there and don't interrupt is the only way D&D invented to Sansa could shine (what she doesn't do). Just like you I myself fills those holes, thinking of him as a character lost in hopelessness and unable yet to find in the new situation, but the truth is that it is only an interpretation caused by sympathy for the character, because show itself doesn't show us this. At the moment I am terribly disappointed, although I realize that everything will move forward here in E9 and 10. However, wasting the opportunity to show us Jon after the resurrection (which is one of the key events for this story), I consider absolutely unacceptable, and the reasons why this happen are hard to defend.
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Jun 8, 2016 14:53:19 GMT
Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 14:53:19 GMT
I think we should have We still didn't have scene with Ramsay Do you like games little man? And it would fit well to show Rickon's situation, in E9 will be too late for that in my opinion, but who knows :/ I think he can just say to it to him in ep. 9 before Rickon starts running and turns into Porcupine It's very possible. But also shouldn't we have a chance to see what is happening in Winterfell before E9? I think that would be useful for regular audience.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 14:38:24 GMT
Arya fabricating her own death makes little sense as she couldn't know that the waif would stab her in the gut. The whole plan would've died if the waif had cut her throat like a proper assassin. And she didn't. But yes, I'm also not quite convinced of this, so I wrote that she might expect that kind of action from very cruel and hateful person. I'm beginning to think that relying on the logic is a waste of time
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Jun 8, 2016 14:27:15 GMT
Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 14:27:15 GMT
I'm really looking for the promo pictures we should have today. pls have euron Do you guys think we'll have Winterfell in this one? Because it will be kinda awkward if Rickon only returns for two episodes, a two second long reveal in 6x03 and then death in 6x09. EDIT: Don't tell me I accidentally spoiled someone by messing up with the spoiler code... I think we should have We still didn't have scene with Ramsay Do you like games little man? And it would fit well to show Rickon's situation, in E9 will be too late for that in my opinion, but who knows :/
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 14:17:06 GMT
Arya thing is bothering me, so I post my conclusion here as well: I think there are only 3 possible explanation of this scene: 1. Everything is exactly as we saw. Personally I don't like this option, but logic has never been a strong point of the show, so perhaps it's the most accurate. Pro and con: + she acts confident, trying to imitate Syrio's and Jaqen's behaviour (Bravosi who she knew well) to make buing a passage easier + new clothes and silver: licentia poetica or whatever, we don't need to see everything on-screen + she simply could ponder, lose vigilance and not notice the danger. It happens even to the best + after stabbing she acts really natural, like scared to death Arya would - but also in last episode she was aware of the danger, tried to hide and get Needle back, why in the next episode she began to behave so foolishly? One big hole in the logic and character development Sure, she will get help and recover from the mortal wounds. Lady Crane couldn't do sh... nothing about that, but Jaqen probably could help. It will require from him using really hard core, almost Red Priest like kind of magic, but yeah he'll manage that. He still likes Arya and Waif didn't do exactly what she's been asked for, so why not help the girl. Arya will magically get better kill Waif and we will have to cope with a really thick and ridiculous plot armor, oh well... Fun fact: D&D think that we're idiots and we need shockers in every single episode 2. Arya tried to fabricate her own death to be over with FM and their death sentence on her. Really possible and rational one: + Arya acts exactly like Waif suspected: she was confident, high-born lady, she was openly walking the streets and asking about ship to Westeros. She made herself easy target for assasin. + she found a good place (bridge) from which she could easily escape and she was waiting for her murderer, after that she had to act like her wounds were real + this required from her some preparation: devise a plan, a bag with artificial blood and acting abilities. Fortunately, all this she had or could easily capturing (familiar acting troupe). She might also expect that it will be the Waif who want to kill and make her death slowly and painful (blow in the stomach so provides) - knife seemed too long and vest too tight to hide there a bag of blood and not getting truly hurt Fun fact: The face of the old woman is most likely the same, which Arya touched in the Hall of Faces in S5, so she could detected assassin early enough. 3. It was Jaqen, not Arya. Probably the least likely theory: + behavior, confidence, expressions, tone of voice, clothing, silver, no Needle - all this does not fit the Arya who we saw in the previous episode + wounds look serious, probably mortal and Arya is in good shape in the next episode, she'll need (magicall) help and time to recover +/- why Jaqen would do that and risk his life? To test Waif? To save Arya? - using face of living person: is it also part of their magic? Is it glamour or some kind of hallucinations poison? - after stabbing Arya acts really like Arya Fun fact: Arya had to give 3 names in S2, and didn't exactly unnamed Jaqen only made deal with him, but she never gave him 3 name other than his own. Death is certain, time is not.Anyway, in the next episode Arya jumps across rooftops like she is in the form of her life, so I hope that we will get a good explanation why.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 14:11:36 GMT
Arya... I know I becomes monothematic, but Jon's stupid behavior and Sansa's arrogance was enough for me to even withstand Arya magically forgetting everything she had learned in just one episode I rewatched this scene and some of her other scenes, I briefly looked at threads on reddit (as Admin said Crackpot full speed is a good term for what's going on there)and I came to the conclusion that there are only 3 possible explanation of this scene: 1. Everything is exactly as we saw. Personally I don't like this option, but logic has never been a strong point of the show, so perhaps it's the most accurate. Pro and con: + she acts confident, trying to imitate Syrio's and Jaqen's behaviour (Bravosi who she knew well) to make buing a passage easier + new clothes and silver: licentia poetica or whatever, we don't need to see everything on-screen + she simply could ponder, lose vigilance and not notice the danger. It happens even to the best + after stabbing she acts really natural, like scared to death Arya would - but also in last episode she was aware of the danger, tried to hide and get Needle back, why in the next episode she began to behave so foolishly? One big hole in the logic and character development Sure, she will get help and recover from the mortal wounds. Lady Crane couldn't do sh... nothing about that, but Jaqen probably could help. It will require from him using really hard core, almost Red Priest like kind of magic, but yeah he'll manage that. He still likes Arya and Waif didn't do exactly what she's been asked for, so why not help the girl. Arya will magically get better kill Waif and we will have to cope with a really thick and ridiculous plot armor, oh well... Fun fact: D&D think that we're idiots and we need shockers in every single episode 2. Arya tried to fabricate her own death to be over with FM and their death sentence on her. Really possible and rational one: + Arya acts exactly like Waif suspected: she was confident, high-born lady, she was openly walking the streets and asking about ship to Westeros. She made herself easy target for assasin. + she found a good place (bridge) from which she could easily escape and she was waiting for her murderer, after that she had to act like her wounds were real + this required from her some preparation: devise a plan, a bag with artificial blood and acting abilities. Fortunately, all this she had or could easily capturing (familiar acting troupe). She might also expect that it will be the Waif who want to kill and make her death slowly and painful (blow in the stomach so provides) - knife seemed too long and vest too tight to hide there a bag of blood and not getting truly hurt Fun fact: The face of the old woman is most likely the same, which Arya touched in the Hall of Faces in S5, so she could detected assassin early enough. 3. It was Jaqen, not Arya. Probably the least likely theory: + behavior, confidence, expressions, tone of voice, clothing, silver, no Needle - all this does not fit the Arya who we saw in the previous episode + wounds look serious, probably mortal and Arya is in good shape in the next episode, she'll need (magicall) help and time to recover +/- why Jaqen would do that and risk his life? To test Waif? To save Arya? - using face of living person: is it also part of their magic? Is it glamour or some kind of hallucinations poison? - after stabbing Arya acts really like Arya Fun fact: Arya had to give 3 names in S2, and didn't exactly unnamed Jaqen only made deal with him, but she never gave him 3 name other than his own. Death is certain, time is not.Anyway, in the next episode Arya jumps across rooftops like she is in the form of her life, so I hope that we will get a good explanation why.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 10:45:20 GMT
So my new favourite theory for how Arya survived is that she took the bladders of pigs blood the acting troupe were shown to use and strapped them to her, and that is where all the blood came from. Of course that poses its own problems in that Arya would have to know the Waif would try to gut her but still, I like it better than the other theories. I'm also able to suspend disbelief and accept the fact she is wearing plot armour of course. I just hope that the convoluted Arya's-dead-psyche-it's-not-Arya theories aren't true I thought about it at the beginning. The behavior of the Arya would make sense, if she wanted to "fabricate" her death to make sure FM will stop hunting on her. But the dagger was too long and the vest too tight to fit in there a bag of blood (and eventually some "armor"), so it's look like wounds should be real If they're not, showmakers could choose knife with shorter blade and everything would be more logical and belivable. The only thing I don't want to is Arya continued the traditions of Starks and proved to be an idiot I love them and that's too much for me to bear.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 9:30:14 GMT
Sansa's letter if someone is interested: imgur.com/a/p2mfe https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4mv3us/s6e7_what_was_written_in_that_letter_lets_have_a/ by CreepyPancakes I hope that not Sansa, but a dagger in the heart will be reward Odd that bits look 'erased' or what? I'm glad it was fairly straightforward and that the reward is ambiguous. I agree it would be nice if his reward is a dagger but I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah, it's way too early for his death. He's one of the key players, so should survive a bit longer, maybe even all S7. I like the vision of Sansa killing the giant in Winterfell, the opportunity presented itself, but it does not happen now. Well, I can always dream.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 8:40:18 GMT
Hilarious 9/9 and 14/14 You know a lot. You must not be Jon Snow.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 7, 2016 23:48:26 GMT
Zero surprises nobody would follow him. A gatepost shows more charisma than he did last episode. Kit has a lot of charisma when he wants to and we've seen he can act well recently so I have to think this was intentional awkwardness as directed. I suspect they're going for "I'm still insecure because I'm a bastard Snow" with the Northern Lords. Same weirdness you see from Ramsay when he's reminded he's a Snow though he's psychotic so it always comes across as bug-eyed and holding back the desire to stab someone. Jon just looks glazed eyed like he'd rather be somewhere else. Yeah, I know this and I agree. Jon has charisma and can lead the people, but it can be seen only in the battle/fight scenes. And Kit was acting brilliantly in after resurrection scenes. That's why I'm angry now, the writers make Jon to behave stupidly, just to Sansa could shine. And it did not work well, nor needed.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 7, 2016 23:05:58 GMT
Aaaaw, he's so adorable. But he also behaves as if half of his brain still has not returned from the dead Which half? The one responsible for strategic thinking, not taking a suicide missions and convincing people to his case by pointing out his advantages... Oh wait. Nevermind... But seriously without Davos and Pedofinger, Sansa and Jon would send themselves and their people to certain death. Starks way Eh, I still love them, what shall I do.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 7, 2016 22:45:26 GMT
Sansa's letter if someone is interested: imgur.com/a/p2mfe https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4mv3us/s6e7_what_was_written_in_that_letter_lets_have_a/ by CreepyPancakes I hope that not Sansa, but a dagger in the heart will be reward or a dagger to the throat like lf did to ned in the throne room, and cat did to the frey at the twins. Hm, nice idea. But Bolton style hidden dagger suits me better I just want to see him dying of Sansa's hand in Godswood to end once and for all this creepy PetSan shipping. But I'm affraid that he again casts a spell on the Sansa, whispers halfbrother and she forgets why she ever took with her the dagger Sorry guys, but Starks gave me lately really hard times. Again.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 7, 2016 22:17:41 GMT
I must say Kitten has some of the funniest expressions on that show: Aaaaw, he's so adorable. But he also behaves as if half of his brain still has not returned from the dead
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 7, 2016 17:29:48 GMT
Sansa's letter if someone is interested: imgur.com/a/p2mfe https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4mv3us/s6e7_what_was_written_in_that_letter_lets_have_a/ by CreepyPancakes I hope that not Sansa, but a dagger in the heart will be reward
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 7, 2016 16:07:00 GMT
I was checking if someone posted it, perfect timing. So this synopsis is different from leaked one. Arya (Maisie Williams) faces a new test and I'm ready for NoOneBowl
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 7, 2016 11:19:23 GMT
I wouldn't mind if this actually happened. The Eagles Falcons are coming!
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 6, 2016 22:41:31 GMT
Are you referring to Arya being dressed like Syrio, or do you see Syrio lurking in those pics somewhere? Hm, seemingly I am too drunk to enunciate adequately ;-) I'm referring to - "Arya" behaving odd, not like Arya usually does, - "Arya" walking around with her hands folded behind her back, like Syrio did, - "Arya" being dressed in a way that reminds me of Syrio, too. - According to the supposed leaked episode 8 synopsis, "Area is not alone" After googling around in the meantime, I realized that there have been many "Syrio Forel is alive / is Jaqen" theories before I wasn't aware of... so maybe D & D are just playing with us and it's nothing but a red a red herring. I think that your impressions are good, but I would interpreted it differently. She behaves like a older, confident man from Braavos, her voice is cold and impersonal. Movements, gestures, expressions , men's clothing, bags with silver, no weapons. In addition, she went to the port asking about the ship to Westeros (called the captain and his companion "Westerosi" I do not remember anyone from the Seven Kingdoms used this phrase), as would do stereotypical fugitive. Seriously Jaqen? Only someone so blinded by envy and hatred as Waif could be fooled by this poor performance Hmm, but this won't be the first time when my theories will not come true, so anything can happen.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 6, 2016 13:57:26 GMT
Either this (why would she be walking around without Needle anyway?) - that would mean Jaqen sacrificing himself for her? Or the other way round: It seems hard to believe it will be the same person that will be hunted and fought by the Waif in the next episode. No way she could perform jumps like those with such a wound. Which makes me think: Might it be Jaqen luring the Waif into a trap and killing her? Because she so obviously ignored his orders to not let Arya suffer,; and because he has bigger plans for Arya... I posted a link with similiar idea in Aryas injuries thread in ep.8 subboard And that's a graet link and a great idea. SPECULATION, not spoiler: After rewatching this scene, I am almost sure that it wasn't Arya only Jaqen. Everything was out of place with this character, Arya went in the most obvious place and asked about the most obvious things. It's like she exhibited on being an easy target. She hadn't got a Needle, but had the two bags of silver and new clothes instead. The way of speaking and moving also not fit, it was more like @igrewupinkl said an impression of Arya.
Real Arya will never act so stupid: walking around in the light of the day, so confident and without any weapon? Nah, she knew she was in danger after failing another mission and she tried to hide.
It surely was a test for Waif and she failed it. In the next episode Arya finds the dying Jaqen and take revenge on Waif. Without these two her story in Braavos will be completed. She'll be able to return to Westeros without looking back for the rest of life.
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 31, 2016 22:26:52 GMT
So you don't think she should feel empathy towards the criminals she kills, but her not feeling empathy for them makes her a psycopath? I'd also know where does the notion that Arya actually enjoys killing comes from. I'd be the first to admit she has become quite desensitized when it comes to killing, but that is quite different from enjoying it. And Arya's story is about more than death. Is about being a misfit in a society that doesn't accept women who don't fit into a certain mold, is about havig low self-esteem, is about the suffering of the smallfolk during the war, how the game of thrones affects those who have no power, feeling small and weak, dealing with the trauma she sees, learning to survive in the middle of a warzone, the loss of family, and since she arrived to THOBAW, retaining her identity while the FM try to wipe it out. Is about her love for her family, about her loyalty and her compassion and how she tries to find a pack everywhere she goes. I really like how you summarize Arya's story. She's one of my favourite characters, perhaps the most favorite and all comparison and reduction her character to little psycopath always hurt me I always wish her happy ending and something similar to normal life, f.ex. to become feminine version of knight advising and defending Bran as a Lord of Winterfell. Eh, wishful thinking... But in this video (probably you know it) Alt Shift X outlined the most likely version of her future. It's beautiful, deeply sad but also in some way bringing relief:
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 30, 2016 5:31:57 GMT
Benjen: Of course I would prefer him alive, meanwhile, he is at the stage of stopping the process of dying by dragonglass and CotF. Still it's better than another dead Stark. And this explains how he stayed "alive" behind the Wall for so long.
But there is something in his characterization that makes me wonder whether his blue hands and face with strange scars (?) are symptoms of frostbite, regular changes in the wight ... or changes in the next sort of Night King figure? It seems to me that these changes progressing slowly. His hands resemble those WW hands more than the hands of a wights, and to this issue of dragonglass... that's how CotF created the Night King. I will die with laughter and sadness if after possible winning the war, it turns out, the Benjen become the next Night King. Is this some sort of Stark's curse?
Edit: But maybe at the end Children's intentions are the most important: Night King has become evil because he was created in this way, to fight with people, and Benjen was "created" to help Bran, so maybe he will remain good. And probably it's just about mix Benjen and Coldhands into one character.
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