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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 18:07:24 GMT
Because if ToJ and Jon's resurrection happen in the same episode, it won't propably be early in the season. Also IMO the whole Jon's death is unnecessary if he just rises up in the next episode. If they have to stab him, they could at least just leave him in coma. If the reason is NW serves until death, I find Jon abandoning his vows for that little shitty excuse out-of-character and stupid. I don't think there'll be any Jon Targaryen's or stuff. Ok, because this is an interesting argument (and you didn't convince me btw ) I'll respond to the bits I highlighted: 1. Why can't a big huge deal be early in the season? Why does everyone think the biggest stuff has to be saved for mid-season, episode 9 or the finale? They've said in several places Season 6 is going to be balls-to-the-wall (ok maybe not that exact expression lol) right out of the gate from episode 1. To me that means big stuff happening from the git go opener. 2. Jon's resurrection has been held on a cliff-hanger the entire off season from the finale of the previous. That's not one episode to the next and is giving fans a whole lot of months to gnash their teeth over his death and speculate wildly as we do here haha! 3. I do agree with you on this one and I'm still annoyed at their choice to leave out Jon's real oathbreaking which was his intent to abandon his command to head to Winterfell. That's far more serious. But, it is what it is and they chose to shorten it but that doesn't mean the outcome changes any or is delayed ... why? Still makes no sense. 1. Now that they're doing 8 seasons, I think R+L=J will be left for the later half of S6. 2. I meant more of a that in-story he's only dead for a little amount of time. BTW, this argument makes no sense, because he can't be dead for too long, since he'd start to rot... 3. I think that Mel will burn Shireen to resurrect Jon... And it'll work...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 18:14:59 GMT
Ok, because this is an interesting argument (and you didn't convince me btw ) I'll respond to the bits I highlighted: 1. Why can't a big huge deal be early in the season? Why does everyone think the biggest stuff has to be saved for mid-season, episode 9 or the finale? They've said in several places Season 6 is going to be balls-to-the-wall (ok maybe not that exact expression lol) right out of the gate from episode 1. To me that means big stuff happening from the git go opener. 2. Jon's resurrection has been held on a cliff-hanger the entire off season from the finale of the previous. That's not one episode to the next and is giving fans a whole lot of months to gnash their teeth over his death and speculate wildly as we do here haha! 3. I do agree with you on this one and I'm still annoyed at their choice to leave out Jon's real oathbreaking which was his intent to abandon his command to head to Winterfell. That's far more serious. But, it is what it is and they chose to shorten it but that doesn't mean the outcome changes any or is delayed ... why? Still makes no sense. 1. Now that they're doing 8 seasons, I think R+L=J will be left for the later half of S6. 2. I meant more of a that in-story he's only dead for a little amount of time. BTW, this argument makes no sense, because he can't be dead for too long, since he'd start to rot... 3. I think that Mel will burn Shireen to resurrect Jon... And it'll work... 1. I personally think they've had the season planned out long before the gossip about 8 seasons came out. It would be a disaster to try and change gears now when they've already written all the scripts (well in advance of filming) and scheduled all the sets and whatnot. That stuff takes an entire year. They are planning it long before the previous season is over. So unless the execs told D&D sometime before Season 5 that they want more seasons, D&D were probably still operating under their expected timeline of 7. Neither of us knows this for sure about season 8 and no one probably will ever know who decided, but it doesn't really hold a lot of water in regards to delaying Jon's resurrection. Why? Esp. if there's a ton of TWOW material after that which would be far more important. 2. Exactly it makes no sense to delay his death in real time - that's my point! Unless they 'freeze' him in an ice cell and that didn't work with Othor and the other dude if I recall from the start, I need to go back and re-read that sequence. 3. Mel burned Shireen and rode to the wall ... she's there in the finale. Is she a red witch herring? If she's not, she gonna need to resurrect Jon pretty quickly... how long does dead King's blood juju last? LOL. (no disrespect meant to poor Shireen)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 20:16:47 GMT
I think there's still another Targaryan to reveal, so from my point of view, there's lots left to do. dragon2
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 15, 2015 20:46:51 GMT
I think there's still another Targaryan to reveal, so from my point of view, there's lots left to do. dragon2 Well don't keep us in suspense!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 20:55:25 GMT
Just thinking of witnessing this scene creates a Tower of Joy in my pants.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 22:12:05 GMT
Just thinking of witnessing this scene creates a Tower of Joy in my pants. Then I wonder what thinking about witnessing CLEGANEBOWL does to you...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 22:15:32 GMT
Just thinking of witnessing this scene creates a Tower of Joy in my pants. Then I wonder what thinking about witnessing CLEGANEBOWL does to you... I don't want to get the site into more trouble by describing it..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 22:39:16 GMT
Then I wonder what thinking about witnessing CLEGANEBOWL does to you... I don't want to get the site into more trouble by describing it.. I'm struggling w/ revulsion here because of your avatar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 22:44:59 GMT
I don't want to get the site into more trouble by describing it.. I'm struggling w/ revulsion here because of your avatar. And he's the more likable one of the pair!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 22:46:21 GMT
I'm struggling w/ revulsion here because of your avatar. And he's the more likable one of the pair! I think of him more as the good cop to her bad cop. They both have a nasty overlord attitude towards the fandom though. And I imagine a lot of the time she's saying shit he'd like to say but won't for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 22:52:18 GMT
And he's the more likable one of the pair! I think of him more as the good cop to her bad cop. They both have a nasty overlord attitude towards the fandom though. And I imagine a lot of the time she's saying shit he'd like to say but won't for whatever reason. I don't know enough about the pair to make an educated guess, but I could easily see her as wearing the pants in the relationship and him just putting up with her bullshit, and possibly being scared of her. He doesn't strike me as being a lady's man and easily able to just find another girl that's less hostile. I'm reminded of the SNL skit that parodied a COPS episode where they kept going to Bill Clinton's house to encourage him to press charges against Hilary as she was constantly abusive towards him, but he sighed and said he couldn't press charges 'because she loves me.'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 0:58:53 GMT
I think there's still another Targaryan to reveal, so from my point of view, there's lots left to do. dragon2 Well don't keep us in suspense! Tyrion, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 7:04:38 GMT
Elio is a nerdy guy, who evil swedish witch Lindaario kidnapped. Because of Stockholm syndrome (fitting) Elio now loves her and vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 8:41:57 GMT
Anyhow... When in the season do we all expect the ToJ scene to be? I guess the main question is "cold open or Bran-vision?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 9:08:18 GMT
Anyhow... When in the season do we all expect the ToJ scene to be? I guess the main question is "cold open or Bran-vision?" Both. Maybe midseason cold open with it being a Bran's vision? I don't think it'll start the season. The first vision Bran gets won't propably be about his father fighting Aerys' Kingsguard and R+L=J revelation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 9:20:14 GMT
Anyhow... When in the season do we all expect the ToJ scene to be? I guess the main question is "cold open or Bran-vision?" Both. Maybe midseason cold open with it being a Bran's vision? I don't think it'll start the season. The first vision Bran gets won't propably be about his father fighting Aerys' Kingsguard and R+L=J revelation. They've never done cold opens for anything other than premieres. Which doesn't mean they never will of course but I'm not inclined to expect that exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 9:25:06 GMT
Both. Maybe midseason cold open with it being a Bran's vision? I don't think it'll start the season. The first vision Bran gets won't propably be about his father fighting Aerys' Kingsguard and R+L=J revelation. They've never done cold opens for anything other than premieres. Which doesn't mean they never will of course but I'm not inclined to expect that exactly. I remembered them doing a cold open for one of S2 episodes, but after checking from GoT Wiki (:poop:), it wasn't. Now that I think about it, ToJ most likely won't be Bran's most important vision, with the best one propably having something to do with WW. I still don't think Tower of Joy will open the season, but cutting from baby Jon's eyes to dead LC Jon's eys would be pretty awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 9:57:41 GMT
I'm hoping for a cold open - there's always the surprise of a first time for one! If they don't, at least have it in the opening episode somewhere. I really am stuck on konrad's idea that the two scenes are together - Jon's birth, death and rebirth in one explosive opener. It would really help the show fandom who are still in mourning haha. I just watched a compilation of the best Jon Snow stabbing reactions. Poor sad show fans. Poor unsullied. They were either outraged and quitting the show or sobbing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 10:00:05 GMT
I hope it's not in the first four episodes. When HBO does an advanced screening of the show everything ends up being spoiled online. I wonder if HBO will just skip the advanced screenings this year since we're going into uncharted territory. I'd had to have the Tower of Joy/Jon's fate spoiled for me before I watch it. I want to be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 10:04:52 GMT
I'm hoping for a cold open - there's always the surprise of a first time for one! If they don't, at least have it in the opening episode somewhere. I really am stuck on konrad's idea that the two scenes are together - Jon's birth, death and rebirth in one explosive opener. It would really help the show fandom who are still in mourning haha. I just watched a compilation of the best Jon Snow stabbing reactions. Poor sad show fans. Poor unsullied. They were either outraged and quitting the show or sobbing. I don't think his rebirth would be right there and then btw. I agree with some other people who've posted and said that he should be left dead for a few episodes, just to let the wound sting a bit. My cold open guess would only be to let them know who he was, to maybe give them hope for his narrative potential but not actually to give them him back again. I do think it's more likely that Bran sees the ToJ though, thinking it over because of Isaac's comment about "interesting visions". The only thing going against that possibility is that thus far his visions have only been flashes of things rather than whole scenes. Of course that could easily change and probably will.
I haven't watched any youtube reactions to anything this season actually. It's funny, I rewatch the show a ridiculous amount but when I watch those reaction vidoes all of the tension and the stakes of my initial viewing come back to me and I have trouble experiencing it like that again. I know my mum cried though. Even though she'd predicted that something in that vein might happen, when it did she lost it anyways. And of course, typically, I caved and told her about some of the theories just to cheer her up. If I wanted her to enjoy s6 more I wouldn't have but I wasn't gonna let my mum keep crying, was I?
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