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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 13:56:23 GMT
The show timeline for Robert's Rebellion is however old Jon is supposed to be in S1. Was he 16? Yes. Everyone should look 16 years younger in TOJ.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 13:58:03 GMT
I think it's a good bet that we'll get Jon's resurrection in tandem with Tower of Joy via Bran and Bloodraven early in the season. It may even open the season. You need to know who he is for the resurrection to make sense, and I can't see them leaving him dead all season long.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 14:26:51 GMT
In the books the time that has passed from the start of AGoT to the end of ADwD is 2 and half years, I think. In the show it's a bit more, 3 and half most likely.
I don't buy into GoT Wiki's shit about every season being one year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 14:27:39 GMT
I think it's a good bet that we'll get Jon's resurrection in tandem with Tower of Joy via Bran and Bloodraven early in the season. It may even open the season. You need to know who he is for the resurrection to make sense, and I can't see them leaving him dead all season long. I doubt Jon will get resurrected quickly. Propably 6x06 at it's earliest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 14:31:32 GMT
I think it's a good bet that we'll get Jon's resurrection in tandem with Tower of Joy via Bran and Bloodraven early in the season. It may even open the season. You need to know who he is for the resurrection to make sense, and I can't see them leaving him dead all season long. I doubt Jon will get resurrected quickly. Propably 6x06 at it's earliest. What do you envision will be happening with his body before then? Or do you not expect scenes from the Wall until then?
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Aug 15, 2015 14:39:19 GMT
I thought in season 1, Ned was supposed to be 40 (aged up 5 years from the book) and the kids were all aged up 3 years. I don't know if the show kept Robert's Rebellion 15 years prior or 20 years prior. I would LOVE to see Sean back as Ned however they have to do it to make him look a little younger would be fine by me! Sean has said over the years he would be glad to do a cameo for the show, so we know he's open to it. It was 17 years post-RR in s1, I remember because Robert and Cersei mention being married 17 years in their 1.05 scene.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 14:49:56 GMT
They were married just before Ned went to war. Catelyn got pregnant. While he was gone, someone got pregnant and had Jon (Lyanna, obviously), and he came back with the baby. That was about a year after they were married. So, 17 years since Cat and Ned were married, 16 years since Tower of Joy.
Edit: Man, writing it out like this, I am once again filled with empathy for Cat. Can you imagine your husband comes home from a war...you've been pregnant and had his baby while he was gone. You're excited to see him and show him the baby, and he shows up with another baby, by some random stranger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 15:22:36 GMT
I doubt Jon will get resurrected quickly. Propably 6x06 at it's earliest. What do you envision will be happening with his body before then? Or do you not expect scenes from the Wall until then? Something like this guy's speculation about Season 6. superpowersam.tumblr.com/Also IMO we need at least few episodes with Jon lying dead. In ice cell, maybe? And no, Jon Targaryen is a silly thing, if anyone thought I want that to happen to Jon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 15:34:52 GMT
What do you envision will be happening with his body before then? Or do you not expect scenes from the Wall until then? Something like this guy's speculation about Season 6. superpowersam.tumblr.com/Also IMO we need at least few episodes with Jon lying dead. In ice cell, maybe? And no, Jon Targaryen is a silly thing, if anyone thought I want that to happen to Jon. That guy has a resumption of activities at the Wall starting right up after the end of the last season, but we don't see it until episode three. No way, man. They have to give us a Wall scene in episode 1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 15:36:46 GMT
I doubt Jon will get resurrected quickly. Propably 6x06 at it's earliest. What do you envision will be happening with his body before then? Or do you not expect scenes from the Wall until then? Hilarious Weekend at Bernie style antics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 16:03:00 GMT
Something like this guy's speculation about Season 6. superpowersam.tumblr.com/Also IMO we need at least few episodes with Jon lying dead. In ice cell, maybe? And no, Jon Targaryen is a silly thing, if anyone thought I want that to happen to Jon. That guy has a resumption of activities at the Wall starting right up after the end of the last season, but we don't see it until episode three. No way, man. They have to give us a Wall scene in episode 1. Ah, I forgot he didn't give us a Wall scene before 6x03. Well, anyway, I expect an aftermath of FTW for the first episode and the resurrection somewhere in midseason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 16:40:42 GMT
What do you envision will be happening with his body before then? Or do you not expect scenes from the Wall until then? Hilarious Weekend at Bernie style antics. Look what you made me do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 17:17:12 GMT
I was going to ask my buddy to photoshop something similar for me, I'm glad you've all ready taken care of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 17:42:04 GMT
Hilarious Weekend at Bernie style antics. Look what you made me do. This is hilarious! I'm glad your photoshop skills are so purposely bad so it's even funnier. I'm not sure why a lot of people think or expect Jon's resurrection to be delayed - what purpose does that serve in waiting half the season? I'm not criticizing, just genuinely curious what could be so important in the meantime that they'd put him on ice? The problem I have with it is that they've gone out of their way several times (or more) over the seasons to show how important it is that a dead Night's Watch member gets a proper funeral with the words given that his watch has now ended. They burn the bodies now after the Othor incident taught them about wights and reanimation. So with that fact hammered in the viewer's head, it wouldn't make any sense to delay or freeze Jon Snow's body - for what reason? They would want to burn him just as quickly as they did the other dead men. The only way I could see them delaying Jon's resurrection is if they simply omit it with no explanation and focus on other parts of the story elsewhere away from the wall and then come back to it later but still parallel with the timeline and at the same place it left off in the finale ... which you have to admit, sounds like really bad writing choices if they do that. With the urgency of Jon's death and the Others/Wights threat, burning Jon Snow is going to really have to be a primary focus. I like cold opens too, just like day dreamer said - it can be done well if it's something really epic like Jon burning on a funeral pyre and then something really unexpected happens. *edit: Liiiike a baby's brown eyes peering up at Ned Stark in the Tower of Joy! But this thread is supposed to be about Tower of Joy, so I'll try and get back on track with that half of Jon Snow's life! I think the two scenes juxtaposed or book-ended on one another would be flipping awesome. That is all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 17:49:18 GMT
Look what you made me do. This is hilarious! I'm glad your photoshop skills are so purposely bad so it's even funnier. LOL, thanks! I don't even have Photoshop at home. This was 20 minutes with my freebie program.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 17:54:51 GMT
Look what you made me do. This is hilarious! I'm glad your photoshop skills are so purposely bad so it's even funnier. I'm not sure why a lot of people think or expect Jon's resurrection to be delayed - what purpose does that serve in waiting half the season? I'm not criticizing, just genuinely curious what could be so important in the meantime that they'd put him on ice? The problem I have with it is that they've gone out of their way several times (or more) over the seasons to show how important it is that a dead Night's Watch member gets a proper funeral with the words given that his watch has now ended. They burn the bodies now after the Othor incident taught them about wights and reanimation. So with that fact hammered in the viewer's head, it wouldn't make any sense to delay or freeze Jon Snow's body - for what reason? They would want to burn him just as quickly as they did the other dead men. The only way I could see them delaying Jon's resurrection is if they simply omit it with no explanation and focus on other parts of the story elsewhere away from the wall and then come back to it later but still parallel with the timeline and at the same place it left off in the finale ... which you have to admit, sounds like really bad writing choices if they do that. With the urgency of Jon's death and the Others/Wights threat, burning Jon Snow is going to really have to be a primary focus. I like cold opens too, just like day dreamer said - it can be done well if it's something really epic like Jon burning on a funeral pyre and then something really unexpected happens. *edit: Liiiike a baby's brown eyes peering up at Ned Stark in the Tower of Joy! But this thread is supposed to be about Tower of Joy, so I'll try and get back on track with that half of Jon Snow's life! I think the two scenes juxtaposed or book-ended on one another would be flipping awesome. That is all. Because if ToJ and Jon's resurrection happen in the same episode, it won't propably be early in the season. Also IMO the whole Jon's death is unnecessary if he just rises up in the next episode. If they have to stab him, they could at least just leave him in coma. If the reason is NW serves until death, I find Jon abandoning his vows for that little shitty excuse out-of-character and stupid. I don't think there'll be any Jon Targaryen's or stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 17:58:40 GMT
If the reason is NW serves until death, I find Jon abandoning his vows for that little shitty excuse out-of-character and stupid. I don't think there'll be any Jon Targaryen's or stuff. You're not onboard with R+L=J?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 18:01:55 GMT
This is hilarious! I'm glad your photoshop skills are so purposely bad so it's even funnier. I'm not sure why a lot of people think or expect Jon's resurrection to be delayed - what purpose does that serve in waiting half the season? I'm not criticizing, just genuinely curious what could be so important in the meantime that they'd put him on ice? The problem I have with it is that they've gone out of their way several times (or more) over the seasons to show how important it is that a dead Night's Watch member gets a proper funeral with the words given that his watch has now ended. They burn the bodies now after the Othor incident taught them about wights and reanimation. So with that fact hammered in the viewer's head, it wouldn't make any sense to delay or freeze Jon Snow's body - for what reason? They would want to burn him just as quickly as they did the other dead men. The only way I could see them delaying Jon's resurrection is if they simply omit it with no explanation and focus on other parts of the story elsewhere away from the wall and then come back to it later but still parallel with the timeline and at the same place it left off in the finale ... which you have to admit, sounds like really bad writing choices if they do that. With the urgency of Jon's death and the Others/Wights threat, burning Jon Snow is going to really have to be a primary focus. I like cold opens too, just like day dreamer said - it can be done well if it's something really epic like Jon burning on a funeral pyre and then something really unexpected happens. *edit: Liiiike a baby's brown eyes peering up at Ned Stark in the Tower of Joy! But this thread is supposed to be about Tower of Joy, so I'll try and get back on track with that half of Jon Snow's life! I think the two scenes juxtaposed or book-ended on one another would be flipping awesome. That is all. Because if ToJ and Jon's resurrection happen in the same episode, it won't propably be early in the season. Also IMO the whole Jon's death is unnecessary if he just rises up in the next episode. If they have to stab him, they could at least just leave him in coma. If the reason is NW serves until death, I find Jon abandoning his vows for that little shitty excuse out-of-character and stupid. I don't think there'll be any Jon Targaryen's or stuff. Ok, because this is an interesting argument (and you didn't convince me btw ) I'll respond to the bits I highlighted: 1. Why can't a big huge deal be early in the season? Why does everyone think the biggest stuff has to be saved for mid-season, episode 9 or the finale? They've said in several places Season 6 is going to be balls-to-the-wall (ok maybe not that exact expression lol) right out of the gate from episode 1. To me that means big stuff happening from the git go opener. 2. Jon's resurrection has been held on a cliff-hanger the entire off season from the finale of the previous. That's not one episode to the next and is giving fans a whole lot of months to gnash their teeth over his death and speculate wildly as we do here haha! 3. I do agree with you on this one and I'm still annoyed at their choice to leave out Jon's real oathbreaking which was his intent to abandon his command to head to Winterfell. That's far more serious. But, it is what it is and they chose to shorten it but that doesn't mean the outcome changes any or is delayed ... why? Still makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 18:04:44 GMT
If the reason is NW serves until death, I find Jon abandoning his vows for that little shitty excuse out-of-character and stupid. I don't think there'll be any Jon Targaryen's or stuff. You're not onboard with R+L=J? Well, I think Lyanna and Rhaegar are Jon's parents. But I don't think Jon will sit on the IT, or even try to claim it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 18:06:56 GMT
You're not onboard with R+L=J? Well, I think Lyanna and Rhaegar are Jon's parents. But I don't think Jon will sit on the IT, or even try to claim it. I do not think Jon will become king either. That still does not make his story lessened especially for his birth and death and rebirth sequence. The fact he's the darkhorse hero is what makes him appealing to so many.
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