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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 13:20:18 GMT
Since we now have our own threads for CLEGANEBOWL, cast sightings, casting, the North, Dorne ( ), Dany and even Godbowl, by the proposal of mattpeto I created this. So, speculate about ToJ.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 13:23:44 GMT
Confirmed!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 13:25:30 GMT
Khal Ned will make an appearance.
EDIT: MY 2000TH POST!!!
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 13, 2015 14:16:36 GMT
That castle their using looks great. I'm really psyched for this. I know a lot of book fans I have were really turned off by last season, I hope this scene turns out awesome so they have something to like again.
I still bet on it being a visions of Bran's. I know some speculated it could open S6, which would be cool too, but I'm guessing all these flashbacks are coming via Bran.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 14:31:34 GMT
That castle their using looks great. I'm really psyched for this. I know a lot of book fans I have were really turned off by last season, I hope this scene turns out awesome so they have something to like again. I still bet on it being a visions of Bran's. I know some speculated it could open S6, which would be cool too, but I'm guessing all these flashbacks are coming via Bran. I think Bran's flashbacks will be as they were in the books, more about Stark history and the wall and things to do with the north. It wouldn't make as much sense for him to flashback on ToJ in my opinion only because it's not in the same vein/theme as the rest. I consider Bran our conduit into seeing wtf the deal is with the Others and that lost history (Night's King) etc. which is what I'm hoping TWOW reveals. It's like that whole story was hushed up and swept under the rug by Northerners and Old Nan's tales are all that's left. Bran will reveal those details through his vision quest. As for the Tower of Joy topic - the more I chew on it, the more I like the idea @konradsmith came up with that they cut from dead Jon Snow's brown eyes to those of a brown eyed baby ... or vice versa. It would be an absolute fan-crusher-of-hearts (meaning epic) way to open Season 6. Since the only true flashback we've had so far has been at the opening of season 5, we know it can work well as a way to transition into the story again the way George uses prologues and epilogues to throw clues at us. The only problem with that above scene fantasy is who exactly would be having that flashback? Ned is dead and didn't have it during his dungeon stay as it was in the books (sadly) so now we have no idea how ToJ will be envisioned. Many have hoped Howland Reed would show up as the reveal device since he's the only living person who was there (other than baby Jon who literally knows nothing)! But not having a Howland Reed character on scene before it would make introducing him now somewhat awkward unless he comes into s6 ahead of the TOJ flashback later in the season. So if it's not Bran (and it very well might be but seems off to me) who has the vision of TOJ, and there's no Howland Reed casting (that we know of) ... then who?
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Post by Admin on Aug 13, 2015 14:47:17 GMT
When the 7 season thing was on I'd assume Lyanna flashback opens the season and is followed by Jon's scene. But now with 8 seasons? I think the fight in front of ToJ opens the season and maybe the big Lyanna reveal closes it. That'd be elegant structure so they probably won't do it, seeing how they messed up the only flashback they had so far and didn't realy book end the season with anything
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 13, 2015 14:47:39 GMT
That castle their using looks great. I'm really psyched for this. I know a lot of book fans I have were really turned off by last season, I hope this scene turns out awesome so they have something to like again. I still bet on it being a visions of Bran's. I know some speculated it could open S6, which would be cool too, but I'm guessing all these flashbacks are coming via Bran. I think Bran's flashbacks will be as they were in the books, more about Stark history and the wall and things to do with the north. It wouldn't make as much sense for him to flashback on ToJ in my opinion only because it's not in the same vein/theme as the rest. I consider Bran our conduit into seeing wtf the deal is with the Others and that lost history (Night's King) etc. which is what I'm hoping TWOW reveals. It's like that whole story was hushed up and swept under the rug by Northerners and Old Nan's tales are all that's left. Bran will reveal those details through his vision quest. As for the Tower of Joy topic - the more I chew on it, the more I like the idea @kondradsmith came up with that they cut from dead Jon Snow's brown eyes to those of a brown eyed baby ... or vice versa. It would be an absolute fan-crusher-of-hearts (meaning epic) way to open Season 6. Since the only true flashback we've had so far has been at the opening of season 5, we know it can work well as a way to transition into the story again the way George uses prologues and epilogues to throw clues at us. The only problem with that above scene fantasy is who exactly would be having that flashback? Ned is dead and didn't have it during his dungeon stay as it was in the books (sadly) so now we have no idea how ToJ will be envisioned. Many have hoped Howland Reed would show up as the reveal device since he's the only living person who was there (other than baby Jon who literally knows nothing)! But not having a Howland Reed character on scene before it would make introducing him now somewhat awkward unless he comes into s6 ahead of the TOJ flashback later in the season. So if it's not Bran (and it very well might be but seems off to me) who has the vision of TOJ, and there's no Howland Reed casting (that we know of) ... then who? I like the idea of the baby's eyes cutting to Jon's eyes. But you're right. How would they present it as a flashback without us already knowing Howland Reed? If they showed the ToJ scene, then cut to a random guy, it wouldn't have as much impact then if they showed it, then cut to Bran somehow. He could tap into that scene just by having Meera there, maybe? Or they introduce Howland, have him run into Brienne and Pod or Sansa and Theon, and he talks about it there, but then it wouldn't open the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 15:05:03 GMT
I like the idea of the baby's eyes cutting to Jon's eyes. But you're right. How would they present it as a flashback without us already knowing Howland Reed? If they showed the ToJ scene, then cut to a random guy, it wouldn't have as much impact then if they showed it, then cut to Bran somehow. He could tap into that scene just by having Meera there, maybe? Or they introduce Howland, have him run into Brienne and Pod or Sansa and Theon, and he talks about it there, but then it wouldn't open the season. Valid arguments for sure ... there's some discontinuity issues either way we look at it from Bran or Howland Reed's PoV. It probably makes more continuity sense to have Bran be the reveal device but it just seems off to me and not as impacting as it would have been from Ned, Howland or someone else. Also, as far as shocking opening sequences go, I can't think of much else that would do it for s6 unless it's something else even bigger we don't know about from TWOW. All of the other 'cliffhangers' are more easily resolved and explainable (Arya's blindness, Myrcella's death, Stannis death, Cersei, even Dany's Khalasar ending was straightforward). The only real complete mystery on how it plays out next is Jon's death. Not using his resurrection as the season opener would be really weird ... but then if they use ToJ as the opener somehow... or both, that would be epic.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 13, 2015 15:08:18 GMT
As I stated in another thread, I doubt that the season will open with ToJ or at least that arc's conclusion. I think Bran's early visions will be the young Ned, Brandon?, Hodor?? and Lyanna?
I think ToJ is such a massive plot point, this would be almost be toward the end of the season, which makes me think that Jon's resurrection could be on the back-end of Season 6. I guess we'll know more when we figure who's directing and I have no doubts that @konradsmith will break this down for us.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 13, 2015 15:13:23 GMT
Ian McShane=Ser Gerold Hightower?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 15:14:20 GMT
Ian McShane=Ser Gerold Hightower? Too Old. (sorry had to do it)
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Post by Nezzer on Aug 13, 2015 15:14:57 GMT
Ian McShane=Ser Gerold Hightower? Too old. Edit: ninja'd by Envie
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 13, 2015 15:31:58 GMT
To me the ToJ flashback seems more like a late-season thing. I just can't see it being used to open the season, a big revelation like that. Possibly an episode 9 moment. Such a game-changer would feel out of place if it opened the season,
Also, I believe that rather than seeing things through heart trees, Bran will see past flashbacks through the ravens. It's beyond unlikely there's a heart tree at the Tower, but a raven being present is certainly possible. And if the vision is not through Bran (which I can't see not being the case) then who would possibly have it? Seeing the transition of Jon's eyes would be interesting, but it would seem very expositional if only the audience learns about it rather than one of the major characters like Bran.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 13, 2015 15:58:53 GMT
ToJ would make a good cold open (I'm a sucker for those, I was a little miffed Cersei's dream wasn't a cold open) I'm still leaning towards it won't be. Jon will probably open the season with his funeral pyre or something like that.
I do wish we'd get Howland to share/have the flashback because that would mean so much more.
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Post by King Tommen on Aug 14, 2015 5:47:06 GMT
I'm fairly confident it will be a Bran vision and it won't open the season. I think we'll have Bran's initial vision come as a result of learning how to control his power by going through the people who are physically with him first.
This is why we'll have a scene with Hodor in it (why else are we getting a flashback involving him unless it's from his memory?) And since Meera is also with Bran, her connection to her father and his memories will allow for the ToJ flashback.
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Post by mattpeto on Aug 14, 2015 12:23:43 GMT
I know he's older, but I still think there is a shot that Ian McShane will have something to do with the Tower of Joy scene. "The character he's playing is being kept under wraps, but EW reports the role is of 'key importance' and involves a small amount of screen time." SourceKey importance and small amount of screen time. I guess he also could play somebody else in another flashback since we're pretty sure Bran has at least two. Maybe McShane plays Aerys? If they do bring Bean back, I wonder if they would consider bringing Jamie Sives (Jory) back and let him play Martyn (his father) for the ToJ scene.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 16:13:29 GMT
If Sean Bean were coming back for this flashback scene, I would think it might have leaked by now ... Either they are really trying to keep this one under wraps as much as possible or he's not coming back.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 14, 2015 17:23:21 GMT
Didn't they keep Jason Momoa's cameo under wraps? Or was he spotted during S2 filming? I didn't follow as closely then.
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Post by King Tommen on Aug 14, 2015 17:44:16 GMT
Didn't they keep Jason Momoa's cameo under wraps? Or was he spotted during S2 filming? I didn't follow as closely then. If it's a small scene where you are not involved with any extras and especially if it's shot indoors, then you can definitely keep a lid on an actor's appearance during shooting if you want to. It's when you have to do scenes shot outdoors and with people other than your main cast and crew where it starts to become much more difficult to hide.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 17:58:50 GMT
Well it's also important to note that IF they're filming a full on ToJ scene complete with Sean Bean and actors for at least the role of Lyanna, Arthur Dayne and one hopes Howland Reed - the tower set is in Spain and filming there has not started yet (Oct).
@konradsmith made a good point that they *could* potentially do most of the scene indoors and thus have it be some undisclosed location in Belfast studios. However, I tend to think that if they've gone through all the trouble of securing the Castillo de Zafra for this scene, they'll definitely want to have some outdoor shots as well, wouldn't they? Ned and crew riding up to the tower from a distance, confronting the three Kingsguard, that was all outside the tower. So from that knowledge I can reasonably speculate that maybe Sean Bean or other actors would film in Spain. In which case Sean Bean's secret arrival to the set could be hopefully covered up. While I love leaks, I'd love it even more if they actually made a concerted effort to hide this one!
They made zero effort to hide Kit's return to Belfast however, so I'm not going to expect much.
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