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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 13:50:51 GMT
She's hot, have there been any Australian actors on the show yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 17:27:47 GMT
She's hot, have there been any Australian actors on the show yet? Have you forgot about Locke? You highborn bastards always forget about Locke. But, yeah, Noah Taylor was an Aussie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 18:08:21 GMT
She's hot, have there been any Australian actors on the show yet? Have you forgot about Locke? You highborn bastards always forget about Locke. But, yeah, Noah Taylor was an Aussie. Haha who could forget the awesome Locke? He had one of the best lines in the show!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 18:48:59 GMT
I know some of you disagree, but I'm telling you, Jon will be resurrected early on in the season. Kit's seems to be in Belfast (probably filming) and I don't see why Jon should stay dead for too long. Mel will desperately beg R'hllor for a revelation which will ultimately end in her resurrecting Jon and believing that he's Azor Ahai. I hope UnJon doesn't give a fuck about that, though. I wanna see him being all "I don't give a shit about the Night's Watch and your prophecies" Nope, I'm firmly with you in that camp. I think for them to drag it out would be awkward and pointless really. I also think it's a great opportunity for a Melisandre redemption arc of sorts. While not entirely forgivable, she could certainly gain some favor back with the fanbase if she earnestly asks for the Lord of Light's help instead of being the arrogant murderous priestess she was during her Stannis tour. She *is* wrong about some things, and like Cersei, perhaps she'll realize a little humility in failure could change things ... or not! I'm still going to hate her guts for all time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 18:52:52 GMT
Nope, I'm firmly with you in that camp. I think for them to drag it out would be awkward and pointless really. I also think it's a great opportunity for a Melisandre redemption arc of sorts. While not entirely forgivable, she could certainly gain some favor back with the fanbase if she earnestly asks for the Lord of Light's help instead of being the arrogant murderous priestess she was during her Stannis tour. She *is* wrong about some things, and like Cersei, perhaps she'll realize a little humility in failure could change things ... or not! I'm still going to hate her guts for all time. Haha me too! But if she turns things around and brings Jon Snow back like Thoros of Myr did for Beric, then I can at least give her some grudge points back. She's an interesting character you can love to hate, so I'm glad she's still around and hopefully has more accurate LOL (har har) work to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:07:48 GMT
I'm still going to hate her guts for all time. Haha me too! But if she turns things around and brings Jon Snow back like Thoros of Myr did for Beric, then I can at least give her some grudge points back. She's an interesting character you can love to hate, so I'm glad she's still around and hopefully has more accurate LOL (har har) work to do. Her bringing Jon back would change nothing. If anything, it would just mean she repeats everything she did with Stannis with Jon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:15:36 GMT
Haha me too! But if she turns things around and brings Jon Snow back like Thoros of Myr did for Beric, then I can at least give her some grudge points back. She's an interesting character you can love to hate, so I'm glad she's still around and hopefully has more accurate LOL (har har) work to do. Her bringing Jon back would change nothing. If anything, it would just mean she repeats everything she did with Stannis with Jon. Jon already resisted her seduction, remember? He made it quite clear he wasn't buying into her shtick even with her boob in his hand haha! Jon Snow is not Stannis. Stannis wanted the throne more than he wanted anything else, even his daughter. He was willing to do anything to win it - and that's where he messed up. We love to argue just how devout and believing Stannis was in the whole Azor Ahai theory but I personally never got the feeling he was really all that on board with it. He questioned Melisandre constantly and was doubtful of many things. That's why his change to agree to sacrifice Shireen was such a shock to me even though I know he was backed in a corner and out of options really - it didn't make a lot of sense compared to what we knew of Stannis up to that point and in the books. But this post isn't about Stannis (I know it's easy to go off on tangents with that because so many here are big Stannis fans) ... this post is about Jon's resurrection! If Melisandre brings Jon back as she is our lead suspect right now in the show story, then she will have at the very least proven herself capable of carrying out the will of R'hllor. My fear has always been that she's misguided and her Asshai background leads her magic down the darker path ... shadowbinding being the only power we've really seen work 100% so far. That was black magic. Blood magic. That's NOT the kind of magic we probably want her using to bring Jon Snow back to life or we might be sorry. Be careful what you wish for and all that (The Monkeypaw theory).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:18:31 GMT
I'm still going to hate her guts for all time. Haha me too! But if she turns things around and brings Jon Snow back like Thoros of Myr did for Beric, then I can at least give her some grudge points back. She's an interesting character you can love to hate, so I'm glad she's still around and hopefully has more accurate LOL (har har) work to do. I'll give her a point, but let's be honest if she brings him back it won't be out of the kindness of her heart it will be out of some self-interest. Jon might not be Stannis but I can't imagine him being brought back by the power of the Big Red won't have an effect on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:22:29 GMT
Her bringing Jon back would change nothing. If anything, it would just mean she repeats everything she did with Stannis with Jon. Jon already resisted her seduction, remember? He made it quite clear he wasn't buying into her shtick even with her boob in his hand haha! Jon Snow is not Stannis. Stannis wanted the throne more than he wanted anything else, even his daughter. He was willing to do anything to win it - and that's where he messed up. We love to argue just how devout and believing Stannis was in the whole Azor Ahai theory but I personally never got the feeling he was really all that on board with it. He questioned Melisandre constantly and was doubtful of many things. That's why his change to agree to sacrifice Shireen was such a shock to me even though I know he was backed in a corner and out of options really - it didn't make a lot of sense compared to what we knew of Stannis up to that point and in the books. But this post isn't about Stannis (I know it's easy to go off on tangents with that because so many here are big Stannis fans) ... this post is about Jon's resurrection! If Melisandre brings Jon back as she is our lead suspect right now in the show story, then she will have at the very least proven herself capable of carrying out the will of R'hllor. My fear has always been that she's misguided and her Asshai background leads her magic down the darker path ... shadowbinding being the only power we've really seen work 100% so far. That was black magic. Blood magic. That's NOT the kind of magic we probably want her using to bring Jon Snow back to life or we might be sorry. Be careful what you wish for and all that (The Monkeypaw theory). The main reason Jon resisted Melisandre is because he doubts her powers. He even talks about her flames and what she sees in them. Mel kind of flips it by saying "you know nothing Jon Snow." If Mel resurrects Jon, thus proving her powers, Jon would be far less quick to question her. Even Davos finds it hard to doubt in Mels powers. If she does resurrect Jon, and offers a way to defeat the White Walkers, who Jon admitted he has no idea how to fight, I find it hard to believe he would turn her away like he did last time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:35:17 GMT
Haha me too! But if she turns things around and brings Jon Snow back like Thoros of Myr did for Beric, then I can at least give her some grudge points back. She's an interesting character you can love to hate, so I'm glad she's still around and hopefully has more accurate LOL (har har) work to do. I'll give her a point, but let's be honest if she brings him back it won't be out of the kindness of her heart it will be out of some self-interest. Jon might not be Stannis but I can't imagine him being brought back by the power of the Big Red won't have an effect on him. See, that's where I'm hoping for some sort of redemption arc that turns things around. Right now, most of us have a bad taste in our mouth when "Lord of Light" is mentioned and rightly so - look what they did to Shireen for it! It's a great parallel to Christianity in RL where people were burned at the stake for differing in belief... not, obviously to make crops grow or battles be won - that was much older versions where sacrifices happened haha. But let's say those really telling (shocked/sad) looks we got from Melisandre at the end of her scenes with Stannis and Davos were a clue. She just realized how wrong she was and that she fucked up. She returns to the wall because she thinks maybe her previous visions of Jon Snow need examined again and because really, where else is she going to go right now, it's winter? If Melisandre honestly and truly accepts her culpability in the Stannis mess, and asks for redemption and guidance - "give me a sign Lord!" type stuff... and she genuinely believes in something more than herself, then it's possible she could bring Jon back. Again, let's remember how and why Thoros of Myr brought Beric Dondarrion back. Beric was his friend and he didn't really know what he was doing or why, but he gave him the kiss of life and was as shocked as anyone when Beric came back. Thoros wasn't even a particularly devout red priest before that - not really believing in his own religion. It wasn't until he resurrected Beric that he became a true believer. While many argue it would be repetitive to have Melisandre do the same thing with Jon Snow, I disagree. I think the whole Beric/Thoros thing was specifically written to foreshadow Jon Snow and to give us point of reference for the possibility, even for someone not particularly good at magic/religion whichever you want to call it, haha. Is it too obvious? Maybe. Not everything in the books is subtle and twisted and puzzling. GRRM does like to put tiny hints in that are missed - and brought up years later in massive theories. That's fun. This time, my bet is on a very obvious parallel between Thoros/Beric and Melisandre/Jon. She's fancy with her words and glamours - but she's not a true believer in her heart. I think she *wants* to believe, but like many in religion, it's just an act when underneath she harbors doubts and evils. She's truly the devil inside. That's why I find her fascinating. Yes, I hate her for burning Shireen and will never forgive her but I think she could really become something more fascinating in the larger story if realization of her mistakes results in true belief and light magic instead of dark.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:48:56 GMT
Also, I'd totally forgotten what the "Last Kiss" rights were in the red god religion so I just went and looked that up:
The last kiss is a rite practiced by the red priests of R'hllor. When a follower of the Lord of Light dies, priests fill their mouths with fire and breathe flame into the deceased,[1] as they believe that fire cleanses[2] and is a bright gift.[3]
So how is Melisandre going to do this with Jon Snow? Does Jon Snow get burnt in a funeral pyre the same as all other Night's Watch men do and she intervenes?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:23:33 GMT
Also, I'd totally forgotten what the "Last Kiss" rights were in the red god religion so I just went and looked that up: The last kiss is a rite practiced by the red priests of R'hllor. When a follower of the Lord of Light dies, priests fill their mouths with fire and breathe flame into the deceased,[1] as they believe that fire cleanses[2] and is a bright gift.[3]So how is Melisandre going to do this with Jon Snow? Does Jon Snow get burnt in a funeral pyre the same as all other Night's Watch men do and she intervenes? Quoting myself here ... haha, (having a debate with myself!) ... something just hit me about Jon's funeral ... The "Watch" may refuse to give him his last rites the way others were given, or maybe there's some sort of disagreement about that, because there ARE men still loyal to Jon there (Edd for example). So in the confusion, Melisandre decides to give him a R'hllor funeral tradition (whatever that is, I can't find much more than the fire kiss) and dedicate him to the Lord of Light. This is of course an insult since he follows the old gods and should have been burned on a funeral pyre out there in the forest. Or maybe they DO that but she somehow adds in her Lord of Light stuff and before the pyre is lit, gives the last kiss to him. I'm just obsessively thinking about this lately. Going to be a looong winter of waiting for me!
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Post by morgantayler on Jul 24, 2015 16:42:58 GMT
Did anyone else receive the email from HBO about an Honor the Fallen toy sale? Jon Snow toys were noticeably absent haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 8:55:22 GMT
CBS morning news just ran a story on the 8 season info and included a quote from the HBO head honcho saying Jon Snow is dead, dead, dead. I like how they have the head of programming in on the lies and deception now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:58:29 GMT
Would you be shocked if the resurrection happened in the finale?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 12:25:38 GMT
Jon Snow wills himself back to life for the sole purpose of witnessing Cleganebowl.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2015 19:03:23 GMT
Since our Tower of Joy discussion got a little off track with Jon Snow resurrection ... thought I'd post this here. Not sure if anyone's posted any of Emergency Awesome's stuff here. He addresses both book and show angles on resurrection for Jon and resurrections in general in the story for comparisons. Well done.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 18, 2015 2:51:08 GMT
Would you be shocked if the resurrection happened in the finale? In the S6 finale? Yes. I expect it to happen in 6.1 or 6.2
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 19:48:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 21:44:46 GMT
I've long assumed that the three characters with the most point of view chapters in the books would end up being the heroes of the whole thing once they discovered they're all Targs and teamed up (Dany, Jon, Tyrion). I always thought the idea of either Jon or Dany going bad was ridiculous. But now that it's looking like Mel is going to resurrect Jon, I'm worried. How could he not end up being a dark version of the former Jon Snow now? This wasn't a problem in the books, because I fully believed he would warg into Ghost and get resurrected by the Old Gods and/or Bran. Nothing has happened in show to indicate that, though, and Mel is there and doubting herself, so perfectly set up to embrace a new savior. So, what do you think, if Mel resurrects Jon, does that mean to you that he will become a villainous character, or perhaps a lot more morally grey, or does it not mean anything because Mel herself is not really villainous, just...determined?
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