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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 23:31:00 GMT
I think we already established that the Mountain was resurrected by the power of love. You know, (and sorry, if that has been discussed already, I didn't read the entire thread) it wouldn't surprise me at all, if Melisandre wasn't the one to bring Jon back to life. I mean, they made it too obvious, Melisandre returning to the Wall literally 5 minutes before Jon is stabbed to death. Maybe it's just a red herring, maybe they want us to speculate on her bringing him back, but in reality, Jon either really stays dead (doubtful) or he is resurrected by an entirely different power. You obviously forgot all about Olly's obvious stares. It's D&D. There are no red herrings. Mel will resurrect Jon. While I do think D&D are capable of writing subtly without obvious forshadowing like "Olly Obvious" (his new nickname!) - in this case I think Mel's sudden return to the wall was definitely purposeful. They had her give very meaningful looks, both at the moment she realized Stannis was in fact going to lose the battle and then again when Davos confronted her when she rode in. She gave away a lot there without saying a word at all. If she's not meant to be the one to resurrect Jon, then there seems little reason for her to go back to the wall especially since it's very different from the books where she is already there with Selyse and Shireen anyways. She could have just abandoned Stannis and taken off for whoever else she thinks will be the next king or just vanished altogether. Mel's story has always been a strong central theme that's more about the bigger picture than it ever was about Stannis IMO. Her showing up somewhere has significant meaning.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 1:49:37 GMT
You obviously forgot all about Olly's obvious stares. It's D&D. There are no red herrings. Mel will resurrect Jon. While I do think D&D are capable of writing subtly without obvious forshadowing like "Olly Obvious" (his new nickname!) - in this case I think Mel's sudden return to the wall was definitely purposeful. They had her give very meaningful looks, both at the moment she realized Stannis was in fact going to lose the battle and then again when Davos confronted her when she rode in. She gave away a lot there without saying a word at all. If she's not meant to be the one to resurrect Jon, then there seems little reason for her to go back to the wall especially since it's very different from the books where she is already there with Selyse and Shireen anyways. She could have just abandoned Stannis and taken off for whoever else she thinks will be the next king or just vanished altogether. Mel's story has always been a strong central theme that's more about the bigger picture than it ever was about Stannis IMO. Her showing up somewhere has significant meaning. I think, in her fires, she saw Stannis would win the battle, had his men not deserted en-masse. When she saw how Stannis' army had dissolved she realised there was no hope. My thinking is that Mel sees only possible futures. The future is ever changing and thus Mel misinterpretes them. As for Jon being resurrected, what if he is resurrected in another body? Or only in spirit? So in ghost? I know its wierd, but unless Jon is immediately resurrected (which I doubt will happen or else no one will be suprised) then his body is gonna rot up quite a bit. Will he be back as Kit-Jon, or in another form??? I remember Liam Cunningham was given a massive spoiler by GRRM about his character, and there was that theory about him being lightbringer. Maybe the two are connected? I will be dissapointed if Jon's resurrection is in the first two episodes, especially if they leak online like last years.
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Post by morgantayler on Jul 16, 2015 5:27:40 GMT
Joanna writes for Vanity Fair. Whatever she heard, it's probably legit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 14:40:39 GMT
Also this. Kit ain't good playing Hide and Seek. Or maybe the airport security workers are fans too.
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Post by morgantayler on Jul 16, 2015 15:02:20 GMT
He was also spotted with Iwan Rheon apparently haha
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 15:17:51 GMT
It's adorable how people think he won't come back.
I think the real question we should be thinking about is how he will come back, that is, in what form. Will he be mostly human or an ice/fire zombie...?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 16:16:43 GMT
It's adorable how people think he won't come back. I think the real question we should be thinking about is how he will come back, that is, in what form. Will he be mostly human or an ice/fire zombie...? Yeah that's what I was talking about earlier when we were comparing the blood magic Mirri Maz Duur did with Drogo and the blood magic Melisandre claims to know. Both being from Asshai, the whole "Fire and Blood" theme and all that. Or maybe Melisandre really was thrown into the mix as a red herring and it's something else altogether ... I'm more worried of what kind of Jon will come back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 16:53:53 GMT
It's adorable how people think he won't come back. I think the real question we should be thinking about is how he will come back, that is, in what form. Will he be mostly human or an ice/fire zombie...? Yeah that's what I was talking about earlier when we were comparing the blood magic Mirri Maz Duur did with Drogo and the blood magic Melisandre claims to know. Both being from Asshai, the whole "Fire and Blood" theme and all that. Or maybe Melisandre really was thrown into the mix as a red herring and it's something else altogether ... I'm more worried of what kind of Jon will come back. Exactly! It'll probably something along the lines of Beric D. However, people will still know he died and was brought back and will see him as different from now on. I have a hard time imagining a scenario where Jon will ever be "normal" or viewed as "normal" ever again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 16:59:29 GMT
Yeah that's what I was talking about earlier when we were comparing the blood magic Mirri Maz Duur did with Drogo and the blood magic Melisandre claims to know. Both being from Asshai, the whole "Fire and Blood" theme and all that. Or maybe Melisandre really was thrown into the mix as a red herring and it's something else altogether ... I'm more worried of what kind of Jon will come back. Exactly! It'll probably something along the lines of Beric D. However, people will still know he died and was brought back and will see him as different from now on. I have a hard time imagining a scenario where Jon will ever be "normal" or viewed as "normal" ever again. Yes, I believe we all need to brace ourselves for a very different Jon Snow (or Jon Targaryen haha) from here on out. "Kill the Boy Jon Snow" takes on a whole new meaning now.
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 16, 2015 17:02:45 GMT
Well if he comes back, it's gotta be part of the Rheagar prophecy, does it not?
He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.
There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.
This sounds like a good Jon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 17:05:11 GMT
Exactly! It'll probably something along the lines of Beric D. However, people will still know he died and was brought back and will see him as different from now on. I have a hard time imagining a scenario where Jon will ever be "normal" or viewed as "normal" ever again. Yes, I believe we all need to brace ourselves for a very different Jon Snow (or Jon Targaryen haha) from here on out. "Kill the Boy Jon Snow" takes on a whole new meaning now. If I remember correctly GRRM had talked about Jon's character becoming darker and if he's really dead as the show showed us, this makes a lot of sense. I also have a lot of questions about Jon's own reaction to being brought back. How will he feel about the red religion and the Lord of Light, how will he feel about himself. I can't imagine he won't feel a great deal of self loathing and won't have some kind of death wish because he'll think he should be dead. I'm no sure how this is all going to play, but there is a sort of irony to the whole R+L=J thing. That is he could have been king but who will want a kind who is essentially undead?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 17:06:57 GMT
Well if he comes back, it's gotta be part of the Rheagar prophecy, does it not? He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.This sounds like a good Jon. It also sounds like Dany. Much more so because she literally got her Lightbringer )the dragons) as the comet or bleeding star was in the ski. Although, I'm of the belief that AAR/TPTWP is more than one person. Dany has done her awakening and now is Jon's turn.
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 16, 2015 17:23:17 GMT
Well if he comes back, it's gotta be part of the Rheagar prophecy, does it not? He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.This sounds like a good Jon. It also sounds like Dany. Much more so because she literally got her Lightbringer )the dragons) as the comet or bleeding star was in the ski. Although, I'm of the belief that AAR/TPTWP is more than one person. Dany has done her awakening and now is Jon's turn. The part that I struggle with sometimes is GRRM doesn't seem like a happy ending type of guy: "Here comes the Messiah of the ASOIAF world"- this doesn't appear to be his thing. I know he said it would end bittersweet, but not sure how a champion Jon would fall in line with his story beside beating the Others. It's almost too cliche for GRRM.
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Post by Nezzer on Jul 16, 2015 17:33:55 GMT
He was also spotted with Iwan Rheon apparently haha SNOWBOWL CONFIRMED!!!
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Post by arthucus on Jul 17, 2015 3:33:45 GMT
He's going to be back next season, I agree they should have just be he'd portray his dead body. Plus why hype the R + L = J earlier this season if Jon's not going to live to find out? If he's not the hero of the books/show, GRRM really mind-fu**** us again. I hate to say this, but at some point it stops being a mind fuck and starts being cheap. The last two books were one long series of fake-out deaths. Now we expect death to be a suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 22:36:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 22:44:55 GMT
I know some of you disagree, but I'm telling you, Jon will be resurrected early on in the season. Kit's seems to be in Belfast (probably filming) and I don't see why Jon should stay dead for too long. Mel will desperately beg R'hllor for a revelation which will ultimately end in her resurrecting Jon and believing that he's Azor Ahai. I hope UnJon doesn't give a fuck about that, though. I wanna see him being all "I don't give a shit about the Night's Watch and your prophecies"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 22:50:06 GMT
I know some of you disagree, but I'm telling you, Jon will be resurrected early on in the season. Kit's seems to be in Belfast (probably filming) and I don't see why Jon should stay dead for too long. Mel will desperately beg R'hllor for a revelation which will ultimately end in her resurrecting Jon and believing that he's Azor Ahai. I hope UnJon doesn't give a fuck about that, though. I wanna see him being all "I don't give a shit about the Night's Watch and your prophecies" Nope, I'm firmly with you in that camp. I think for them to drag it out would be awkward and pointless really. I also think it's a great opportunity for a Melisandre redemption arc of sorts. While not entirely forgivable, she could certainly gain some favor back with the fanbase if she earnestly asks for the Lord of Light's help instead of being the arrogant murderous priestess she was during her Stannis tour. She *is* wrong about some things, and like Cersei, perhaps she'll realize a little humility in failure could change things ... or not!
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Post by arthucus on Jul 21, 2015 2:41:49 GMT
OK - I confess I stole this (the first part of it, anyway), but I like it! The Jon Snow that we knew died, but Kit comes back, just transformed. My thinking is it'd be kind of like Gandalf the Grey coming back as Gandalf the White.....how would Jon look with white hair and a white beard? Better yet, he could be played by Snoop Dog!#SnoopThatWasPromised
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 6:15:58 GMT
Ran across a decent R+L=J fan tribute video (posted it over in the fan tribute video thread) ... I think she would have made the perfect Lyanna Stark. Look at this beautiful girl, she could definitely be Jon Snow's Mother, right? *swoon* (Adelaide Kane, Reign - 2013)
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