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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 17:32:56 GMT
I love that we have now "hair watch" for a man. It's the best thing ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 18:50:50 GMT
I love Kit's resting emo face. It's adorable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:40:39 GMT
I love that we have now "hair watch" for a man. It's the best thing ever. I agree, poor guy can't go anywhere in public now because everyone's going to remark about his hair and beard. No wonder he looks so grumpy all the time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:43:19 GMT
Too bad! He exists for our entertainment, fandom, and crushing!
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jul 7, 2015 8:53:21 GMT
I love that we have now "hair watch" for a man. It's the best thing ever. I agree, poor guy can't go anywhere in public now because everyone's going to remark about his hair and beard. No wonder he looks so grumpy all the time! Psh. He had resting emo face before he even grew out the hair and beard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:26:04 GMT
I agree, poor guy can't go anywhere in public now because everyone's going to remark about his hair and beard. No wonder he looks so grumpy all the time! Psh. He had resting emo face before he even grew out the hair and beard. It's true! That's how he landed the part of Jon Snow ... naturally sulky face. Haha! B-|
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Post by janicia on Jul 7, 2015 17:02:00 GMT
Ah but look what Mirri Maz Duur did just before Dany burned her... she used dark blood magic to bring back Drogo who was dying. She healed him but the man that came back was not the same... he's more what we see happening when the person resurrecting isn't very good at it (ie Qyburn and Ser Robert Strong). It's necromancy at the very base level definition really. Maybe it has to do with the kind of sacrifice, or the person doing it. When Thoros of Myr resurrected Beric, he seemed to come back mostly normal again, but lost a bit of himself each time he died. But even after six times he was still a normal human being for the most part. Then when that was passed on from Beric to Lady Catelyn, something went a little wrong. Maybe she had been dead too long, maybe she had lost too much blood or being resurrected second-hand from someone already resurrected lessened the power? She's still coherent and has thoughts and communication but she's certainly not the Catelyn we remembered before her death. Which kind will Jon be? Will he be a vengeful but lesser version of himself, or actually the same like Beric or Daenerys? Don't forget ... Dany essentially burned herself and was also reborn (naked and covered in ash) and many believe SHE could be Azor Ahai and that was her rebirth. She may not technically have died on that fire, but there's no denying it changed her and was a baptism of fire so to speak. The same essential thing, just a little different could happen to Jon. If it's not Shireen and the power of her king's blood still within Melisandre that resurrects Jon (it can't have been more than a few days between the time she burned Shireen, left and went back to the Wall, can it?) then it must be someone else or maybe no one at all. Again, referring back to Beric Dondarrion's death - no one was sacrificed at all ... Thoros just gave him the kiss of life. Perhaps Melisandre will kiss Jon before his funeral pyre is lit and that is when it happens. I get goosies just thinking about it. I think in the books Thoros used wildfire or something to do his kiss of life. But then Red Priests aren't especially human to begin with, in Mel's POV in ADWD it seems they have some sort of fire life-force in them and they may even be undead like Beric himself.
Also MMD killing Drogo's horse could be a parallel to Mel potentially killing Ghost...that is if Ghost hasn't went running away from CB either north (to find Bran) or south (to find Rickon or Sansa) of the Wall by then, both of which I could also see happening.
I thought Thoros was a pretty normal human before he started resurrecting Beric. Thoros didn't really believe in magic before that, so he probably wasn't doing whatever undead / glamor thing Melissandre is doing. I wonder if GRRM will ever take a stance on why exactly Beric was raised. Thoros and Beric thought it was the direct divine intervention of the Red God and the story hasn't contradicted that yet. GRRM hasn't explained how magic works in ASOIAF, which makes these kinds of discussions problematic. Is magic from the Gods? Is there a sci-fi/technological explanation for the magic? Is magic coming back because of the dragons? Are they the source of the magic? Are the dragons coming back because something else made the magic come back? How does blood magic actually work? Who gets to decide what counts as kings blood? Is king's blood special because it contains midichlorians or because it makes a God happy? What is the Red God? How sentient are the weirtrees? Are there entities bigger than Bloodraven that are steering events, or it is all random bubbles of magic and people running around doing things? Every resurrection we've seen in the series has been different, so all extrapolations are wild guesses.
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Post by Enid on Jul 10, 2015 10:39:19 GMT
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 10, 2015 16:20:52 GMT
I'm surprised Kit hasn't put on a bald cap or something to troll fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 19:49:26 GMT
I knew it wouldn't be long before Maisie jumped on the troll bandwagon. She can't resist haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 13:05:07 GMT
GRRM has said that Beric was kind of a parody of all these superherles who always come back even if they die.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:48:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:51:29 GMT
Oh, Maisie. You Although I do wonder if HBO have asked them to lay it on. It's pretty thick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 17:28:34 GMT
This was an interesting interview for a couple of reasons: 1. If you've ever read anything on the psychology of body language and posture, it's interesting to note how shifty Carice got after the interviewer asked her if she hopes Melisandre has something to do with Jon Snow next season and also her acting chemistry with Kit. She said she doesn't know, hasn't read the script, but then she kept looking away or down while talking and dragging out her response. Compare that to her body language when asked about acting with Liam and her role as Melisandre in relation to Davos...she is standing still, looking at the interviewer and responding immediately. I may be reading too much into that but it seemed pretty obvious she didn't really want to talk about Kit but was just fine talking about Liam. 2. I'm glad she mentioned the emotion she put into her last scenes with Stannis and Davos. The fact that she was most likely wrong about Stannis showed clearly on her face in that one split second ... the entire arrogant look Melisandre is famous for fell and you saw a moment of disappointment on her face. Very well acted by Carice. Then again when she shows up at the Wall and Davos confronts her - she looks like an entirely different person from the powerful priestess we're used to seeing. Portraying emotion only through body language and looks takes very good acting. Which draws me back to #1 and the body language and looks she was giving the interviewer (or I should say, not giving looks) in order to cover that emotion.
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Post by mattpeto on Jul 14, 2015 21:05:54 GMT
"There is a price," the godswife warned her. "You'll have gold, horses, whatever you like" "It is not a matter of gold or horses. This is bloodmagic, lady. Only death may pay for life."
--Mirri Maz Duur to Daenerys in AGOT.
Maz Duur and Melisandre are from Asshai.
They have been setting this up since the beginning gang.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 22:04:22 GMT
"There is a price," the godswife warned her. "You'll have gold, horses, whatever you like" "It is not a matter of gold or horses. This is bloodmagic, lady. Only death may pay for life."--Mirri Maz Duur to Daenerys in AGOT. Maz Duur and Melisandre are from Asshai. They have been setting this up since the beginning gang. I often refer back to Mirri Maz Duur because her association with blood magic from Asshai (I think she said she "trained" in healing arts there, not from there) is a clue to Melisandre who was from there as a child but adopted by the Red Priests. Asshai's main claim to fame is that is a place of ill-reputed magic - the dark arts. Blood Magic. Shadowbinding. Sorcery. We probably shouldn't be so eager for Melisandre to resurrect Jon Snow knowing this ...
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Post by Admin on Jul 14, 2015 22:20:07 GMT
"There is a price," the godswife warned her. "You'll have gold, horses, whatever you like" "It is not a matter of gold or horses. This is bloodmagic, lady. Only death may pay for life."--Mirri Maz Duur to Daenerys in AGOT. Maz Duur and Melisandre are from Asshai. They have been setting this up since the beginning gang. I often refer back to Mirri Maz Duur because her association with blood magic from Asshai (I think she said she "trained" in healing arts there, not from there) is a clue to Melisandre who was from there as a child but adopted by the Red Priests. Asshai's main claim to fame is that is a place of ill-reputed magic - the dark arts. Blood Magic. Shadowbinding. Sorcery. We probably shouldn't be so eager for Melisandre to resurrect Jon Snow knowing this ... I think Jon's Starkness can defeat her slutiness
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 22:41:43 GMT
I often refer back to Mirri Maz Duur because her association with blood magic from Asshai (I think she said she "trained" in healing arts there, not from there) is a clue to Melisandre who was from there as a child but adopted by the Red Priests. Asshai's main claim to fame is that is a place of ill-reputed magic - the dark arts. Blood Magic. Shadowbinding. Sorcery. We probably shouldn't be so eager for Melisandre to resurrect Jon Snow knowing this ... I think Jon's Starkness can defeat her slutiness It's more of a fear of what exactly he might be like resurrected by her for me. Thoros seems to have the best track record so far of resurrecting someone and they come back pretty much normal as can be expected. Mirri Maz Duur and Qyburn (if you consider the Mountain's return a true resurrection and not just some other sort of weird healing/return) - not so much. Their 'victims' have not come back altogether sound of mind or self.
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Post by Basil on Jul 14, 2015 23:12:58 GMT
It's more of a fear of what exactly he might be like resurrected by her for me. Thoros seems to have the best track record so far of resurrecting someone and they come back pretty much normal as can be expected. Mirri Maz Duur and Qyburn (if you consider the Mountain's return a true resurrection and not just some other sort of weird healing/return) - not so much. Their 'victims' have not come back altogether sound of mind or self. I think we already established that the Mountain was resurrected by the power of love. You know, (and sorry, if that has been discussed already, I didn't read the entire thread) it wouldn't surprise me at all, if Melisandre wasn't the one to bring Jon back to life. I mean, they made it too obvious, Melisandre returning to the Wall literally 5 minutes before Jon is stabbed to death. Maybe it's just a red herring, maybe they want us to speculate on her bringing him back, but in reality, Jon either really stays dead (doubtful) or he is resurrected by an entirely different power.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 23:17:36 GMT
It's more of a fear of what exactly he might be like resurrected by her for me. Thoros seems to have the best track record so far of resurrecting someone and they come back pretty much normal as can be expected. Mirri Maz Duur and Qyburn (if you consider the Mountain's return a true resurrection and not just some other sort of weird healing/return) - not so much. Their 'victims' have not come back altogether sound of mind or self. I think we already established that the Mountain was resurrected by the power of love. You know, (and sorry, if that has been discussed already, I didn't read the entire thread) it wouldn't surprise me at all, if Melisandre wasn't the one to bring Jon back to life. I mean, they made it too obvious, Melisandre returning to the Wall literally 5 minutes before Jon is stabbed to death. Maybe it's just a red herring, maybe they want us to speculate on her bringing him back, but in reality, Jon either really stays dead (doubtful) or he is resurrected by an entirely different power. You obviously forgot all about Olly's obvious stares. It's D&D. There are no red herrings. Mel will resurrect Jon.
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