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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jul 16, 2017 15:17:05 GMT
I never understood the Davos thing either. Completely out of left field for his character in my opinion, and i believe it only happened that way because the writers wrote themselves into a corner. Mel shouldn't have gone with Stannis, and instead Selyse burnt Shireen at castle black like i believe she is going to in the books, with Mel's coercing, to ressurect Jon Snow. Davos could have still been sent somewhere else and happened upon sansa and theon or something... There are many plot leaps like why Aliser Thorne/night's watch men would still stab Jon after what they saw at Hardhome...or why Jaime would still pledge his love and commitment to Cersei in season 6...Or why Arya is able to steal a face from the hall of faces with no explanation?! Yeah, I think Shireen's death will be the catalyst for Jon's resurrection, and they should have lined those two events up. Leaving Stannis in the snow for the season would have helped his decision to burn his daughter feel less rushed and would have added an element of conflict to his resurrection, something that is severely lacking in season 6. There are too many crowd pleasing moments in this season, to the point that the writing suffers because of it. I think that season 6 had some really high highs. Like Hold the door/ botb/ light of the seven which kinda made up for a lot of shoddy writing. Still rate it above season 5 though. . I don't think we give the writers enough credit for condensing AFFC/ADWD into a single coherent season. Something that needed to be done, but was going to be difficult. The writing in season 5 holds up and maintains the challenging tone of ASOIAF. After just doing a rewatch, I think we exaggerate the flaws of season 5 because the source material is less exciting and we hate the changes the writers made, most of which work in the context of the show. Thats fair I guess but I still think they botched Dorne and The North. Dont think Ellaria sands revenge lust fit very well with George's protrayal of her in Dance. Would've been nice to have a smart level headed Ellaria like in the book. Not to mention the awful dialogue and acting from the sand snakes. The North just never made much sense to me from the second LF hands Sansa over to Ramsay in such a nonsensical way. Plus the complete omitting of any Northern Lords. Like The Manderly/Davos subplot in dance is fucking epic and badass instead we got some old peasant lady saying North Remembers. I guess I just rate the source material higher than most people here. Cause most of the changes in s5&6 don't work for me. Id say Cersei is the saving grace of both seasons lol |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 16, 2017 17:33:38 GMT
Yeah, I think Shireen's death will be the catalyst for Jon's resurrection, and they should have lined those two events up. Leaving Stannis in the snow for the season would have helped his decision to burn his daughter feel less rushed and would have added an element of conflict to his resurrection, something that is severely lacking in season 6. There are too many crowd pleasing moments in this season, to the point that the writing suffers because of it. I don't think we give the writers enough credit for condensing AFFC/ADWD into a single coherent season. Something that needed to be done, but was going to be difficult. The writing in season 5 holds up and maintains the challenging tone of ASOIAF. After just doing a rewatch, I think we exaggerate the flaws of season 5 because the source material is less exciting and we hate the changes the writers made, most of which work in the context of the show. Thats fair I guess but I still think they botched Dorne and The North. Dont think Ellaria sands revenge lust fit very well with George's protrayal of her in Dance. Would've been nice to have a smart level headed Ellaria like in the book. Not to mention the awful dialogue and acting from the sand snakes. The North just never made much sense to me from the second LF hands Sansa over to Ramsay in such a nonsensical way. Plus the complete omitting of any Northern Lords. Like The Manderly/Davos subplot in dance is fucking epic and badass instead we got some old peasant lady saying North Remembers. I guess I just rate the source material higher than most people here. Cause most of the changes in s5&6 don't work for me. Id say Cersei is the saving grace of both seasons lol But again, that's comparing it to the books instead of judging the content on its own merit. I think a lot of us do it, and when we have The Winds of Winter it will seriously affect our perception of season 6. I made a post not too long about Littlefinger's motivations in season 5 and how he's putting Sansa through psychological turmoil to make her lean on his influence. I'll see if I can find it. Finished up through episode 8 last night. I think the Kingsmoot is one of the best scenes of season 6. It's a brilliant indictment of democracy in an ignorant society. It is such a bizarre prediction of the election between Trump and Hillary. Qualified career woman versus a swaggering, crude man. Euron's lines all seemed parallel to something Trump said on the campaign trail. Euron brazenly admits to killing Balon, Trump says he could kill somebody on fifth avenue and his supporters would still love him. Trump grabs women by the pussy, Euron is going to give Dany his big cock. It was just amazing. |
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jul 16, 2017 17:40:24 GMT
Well to be fair people like to blame the failings of s5&6 on the supposed failings of books 4&5 so I don't think it's wrong to compare them. And judging on its own merit doesn't really make season 5 come out much better as it pales in comparison to the previous seasons imo.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 16, 2017 17:59:02 GMT
Well to be fair people like to blame the failings of s5&6 on the supposed failings of books 4&5 so I don't think it's wrong to compare them. And judging on its own merit doesn't really make season 5 come out much better as it pales in comparison to the previous seasons imo. True, I think season 5 might have been better if they strayed even further from the books in that regard. I liked books four and five, less than the previous three, but I enjoyed reading them. I don't think there was any way to cleanly adapt them to a ten episode series, and two seasons of AFFC/ADWD would've hurt the success of the show. If you look at TV viewers, there's not a consensus that season five is weak at all. In fact the show's popularity continued to skyrocket. In some ways the show took some bold new steps, and it had never felt more cinematic. The mise-en-scene was a step up from season 4's clunky pacing. The only negative attention season 5 got was Sansa's rape, which led to a lot of click-baity articles about rape in media. The only time I see a perception that season 5 was the worst is on fan sites of book readers like this. So I can't help but feel like that's tied to changes or omissions from the books. |
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jul 16, 2017 18:48:59 GMT
That's fair too. Sometimes I wish I never had read the books before the show came out just to see how different my opinions would be.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 16, 2017 18:58:06 GMT
That's fair too. Sometimes I wish I never had read the books before the show came out just to see how different my opinions would be. Well, we're kind of playing through that experiment right now with seasons 6, 7, and 8. I think it's no coincidence that book readers thought season 6 was a big improvement over season 5, and not having a book to compare it to had a lot to do with that. Funnily enough, our biggest complaints were over stuff like Dorne and Euron, which we feel were done better in the books. I can't wait to read The Battle of the Bastards in the books, I'm convinced it'll be significantly less stupid. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 16, 2017 22:54:35 GMT
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 17, 2017 0:11:31 GMT
Bro whatchu talking about up in the non-spoiler thread.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 17, 2017 0:18:59 GMT
I'm prepared to be bald.
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Post by lordcarson on Jul 17, 2017 4:00:40 GMT
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Post by boojam on Jul 17, 2017 10:43:51 GMT
Ok so Jon recognized the importance of dragonglass, that sets up a meeting. He also knows the importance of Valyrian Steel , actually that is very important, maybe he will talk about that later?
I thought that might happen this episode since there are at least two Valyrian steel swords north. Thought Jon might remark on Brienne's by now.
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Post by Zadeth on Jul 17, 2017 11:27:19 GMT
I have moved/edited some of the last few comments to remove any potential spoilers. Please be considerate of other posters and don't post spoilers in the non-spoiler thread, no matter how trivial they may seem.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 17, 2017 17:48:16 GMT
Amazing episode all in all! I didn't mind Sam's scenes because well, it's just part of the game to have some slow scenes as well.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 25, 2017 13:34:46 GMT
704 is called "The Spoils of War"
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Post by Zadeth on Jul 30, 2017 21:21:42 GMT
Be careful with going on Facebook tonight. There's a few big pages having a 'tag your friend and ruin their night' photos up of a major spoiler, if true.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 30, 2017 21:29:09 GMT
Be careful with going on Facebook tonight. There's a few big pages having a 'tag your friend and ruin their night' photos up of a major spoiler, if true. what is it??? I'm already spoiled so idgaf |
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Post by Zadeth on Jul 30, 2017 22:01:37 GMT
Be careful with going on Facebook tonight. There's a few big pages having a 'tag your friend and ruin their night' photos up of a major spoiler, if true. what is it??? I'm already spoiled so idgaf I'll pm you it |
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Post by KiTN on Jul 31, 2017 19:16:42 GMT
What's this talk of the episodes being leaked? Is it true? Does anyone have a link?
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 31, 2017 19:19:59 GMT
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 31, 2017 19:22:39 GMT
And immediately upon learning this - without thinking - I go on Facebook and see what could be a massive spoiler if true (though I'm inclined to believe it's just bullshit). Guess I'm gonna have to hide under a rock for 4 weeks  |
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