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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 10, 2017 17:31:26 GMT
uproxx.com/tv/new-game-of-thrones-season-7-costumes/2/This is a great interview with Michele Clapton, but if you are avoiding spoilers DO NOT READ THIS. She gives waaay too much away, spoils several huge events. Davey, Carson, FoD, etc, keep walking, there's nothing to see here 
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 10, 2017 18:04:25 GMT
To be fair on season 5 (and given that I'm a big fan of both Stannis and Barristan that's not an easy thing for me to say), season 6 also had more than a few dumb moments concerning both plot and characters. A lot of the early stuff in King’s Landing is very repetitive. Arya’s plot in the later episodes alternates between bad to utterly nonsensical. Everything about the Kingsmoot and Euron besides his introduction is thoroughly underwhelming (direct quote: “I’m going to build that fleet, and I’m going to gallivant right over and give it to Daenerys Targaryen, along with my big cock!”). There are about four near-identical Dany speeches where she says practically the same things. And however bad the death of Barristan was, they killed the Blackfish - frequently described as a legend and great warrior - off-screen, and that is unforgivable. Every season has bad moments, but that doesn't necessarily make it a bad season. Its true every season has bad moments. I just feel season five was almost all bad moments with a couple of good points. And while i agree with @daveyjoe that its nice to see build up and character development, i dont think that was present in season 5, save perhaps the Kings Landing stuff. Season 5 brought us the terrible plot that is Dorne (i wish they'd just cut it rather than make their own plot up because its so stupid). The awfulness of Stannis' campaign. Everything Brienne. Arya's weird wtf is happening in Braavos. Yes Season 6 had some moments like that (Kingsmoot, no arguments there, what a let down) but overall was much improved, both in terms of fewer plot holes and better character development. Plus Dorne only took up the first episode and a brief scene in the finale. While the first episode of Dornish stuff was undoubtedly terrible, hey, at least it was over quickly. Rewatching season 5 last night, i had totally forgot, or possibly willfully blocked out, the fact the sand snakes killed Trystane. |
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Post by Basil on Jul 10, 2017 19:14:52 GMT
Season 5 is easily my least favourite season. It had some individually good scenes (Cersei's Walk of Shame, Hardhome), but overall, I didn't like it.
As for Season 6, my expectations were pretty low going into it, so I actually ended up quite happy with how it turned out. There was some really dumb stuff in it of course. In general, I found Dany's storyline to be rather underwhelming. Arya started out okay, but man, that old woman on a bridge thing, as well as her just randomly showing up at the Twins in the finale and cooking Frey pies and killing Walder without any setup whatsoever ... that was legit horrible and paaaainfully cheap writing. I absolutely hated it, and it broke my heart to see that they got rid of UnCat for this.
Apart from that though, S6 had a lot of amazing moments and scenes, and even though some of the good stuff didn't feel earned, like it just happened because they wanted it to happen ... I'd still say the good outweighed the bad in the end.
But yeah, at this point, I consider myself a casual fan at best. My excitement levels for s7 are pretty low. Not gonna lie, I find some of the hardcore fans, who will defend to death even the silliest of plot lines (and at the same time will bash the books or even George as a person), almost as irritating as the hardcore haters. It's like half of the discussion that goes on nowadays is not actually about the show or the characters, but about other people in the fandom and how they are wrong and how much they suck for having certain opinions on the show.
So the fandom is definitely a factor also as to why I've consciously decided to move on from this series. The toxicity goes both ways and it pretty much killed my love for Game of Thrones.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 10, 2017 19:32:14 GMT
I think with a lot of things in later seasons, it's a lot of cool moments that doesn't necessarily flow into each other. Arya vs the Waif was a cool scene, but it didn't make much sense in the context of the whole storyline. We don't know how much time passed, maybe she had lots of adrenaline, blah blah blah, but it still was weak. The scene itself was cool, but as part of a greater narrative, it felt off. Same with Frey Pies. Cool standalone moment, but complete mindfuck. She leaves Braavos to go home, but then she's somehow at the Twins? Wearing a face? And she killed his sons? And put them in a pie? And made Walder eat them? And then killed him??? whAT. It was a rushed climax to Arya's storyline (even tho it already had a climax). A cheap, "fuck yeah" moment. Dorne was trash, but I'm glad got that out of the way as quickly as they could. Just kill them all and basically pretend it never happened. Lame as fuck, but whatever. It took up a whopping half hour of screen time in total, so I'll live. I honestly don't think I have any complaints about the North in S6. Yes, Sansa should have told Jon about the KotV, we don't know why she didn't, etc etc etc. But beyond that detail, I thought it was super solid, with good buildup, a great battle, and a satisfying payoff. KL was, in my opinion, the strongest storyline in S5. The Faith Militant thing culminating in the Walk of Shame was very well done to me. S6 was a little slower, nothing really happened for the first 4 or 5 episodes, but then it picked up. Lots of good character work for Cersei, the High Sparrow, etc. Septaggedon was brilliant, obvs, and Cersei taking the crown after was great. You take the good, you take the bad, and there you have, Game of Thrones.  |
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Post by boojam on Jul 13, 2017 3:08:28 GMT
On the Red Carpet for season 7 premiere , Gemma Whelan , that's a first!
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 13, 2017 12:33:11 GMT
Joe Dempsie was there too! And would easily win best dressed male or female.
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Post by boojam on Jul 13, 2017 13:31:57 GMT
Joe Dempsie was there too! And would easily win best dressed male or female. Dormer too, not need to hid him.... Dempsie , that's supposed to be a spoiler , but heck, kind of moot. Would have been interesting to see him with Maisie. I remember when Thomas Wlaschiha stayed totally hidden for season 5, but popped up at the premiere ... that was kind of a mild spoiler. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 13, 2017 21:59:36 GMT
Joe Dempsie was there too! And would easily win best dressed male or female. Dormer too, not need to hid him.... Dempsie , that's supposed to be a spoiler , but heck, kind of moot. Would have been interesting to see him with Maisie. I remember when Thomas Wlaschiha stayed totally hidden for season 5, but popped up at the premiere ... that was kind of a mild spoiler. Wasn't Gendry in one of the trailers? |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 14, 2017 2:27:19 GMT
Gendry's back?  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 14, 2017 3:39:26 GMT
sunday can't come soon enough!
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 14, 2017 7:42:00 GMT
Dormer too, not need to hid him.... Dempsie , that's supposed to be a spoiler , but heck, kind of moot. Would have been interesting to see him with Maisie. I remember when Thomas Wlaschiha stayed totally hidden for season 5, but popped up at the premiere ... that was kind of a mild spoiler. Wasn't Gendry in one of the trailers? Gendry's back? Just rewatched the trailer I though the he was in and whoops it was Pod  in my defence they'd look very similar |
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Post by Enid on Jul 14, 2017 14:22:54 GMT
Still guys, be careful with spoilers, even is it's something you may think is known by everyone.
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Post by lordcarson on Jul 14, 2017 15:22:17 GMT
what the fuck is this shit about gendry
if any of you fucks spoils anything i will literally come to your house and fucking murder you
don't fucking talk about gendry you FUCKS
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 14, 2017 15:36:57 GMT
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Post by Basil on Jul 14, 2017 15:45:48 GMT
jesus ...
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 14, 2017 17:28:13 GMT
This is a weird 'recap'. It's all out of order. Samuel L. Jackson's recap was more organised than this
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 14, 2017 18:04:57 GMT
what the fuck is this shit about gendry if any of you fucks spoils anything i will literally come to your house and fucking murder you don't fucking talk about gendry you FUCKS I'm glad you've mellowed out after college. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 1:25:42 GMT
Maisie looked amazing in the green flowing dress  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 15, 2017 1:30:30 GMT
Maisie looked amazing in the green flowing dress  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 15, 2017 5:15:36 GMT
I'm rewatching season 6 and I just can't jive with the folks who say it's an improvement on season five. Two episodes in and two major plot points have been resolved by Deus ex machina. What I really hate is that the show is starting to treat violence in a cartoonish way. In the first two seasons we were horrified when peasants were cut down because they were Robert's bastards, it was disturbing. In season six a giant smashes a Night's Watch member's head open in a moment of comic relief. It's just so atypical of the themes George Martin would write about. Instead of challenging the audience, we're being conditioned to digest violence in comfortable ways in very typical methods of emtional manipulation. ASOIAF is supposed to be better than that.
They don't explain why Davos, a secular man, would believe Jon Snow could be resurrected, much less why he thinks that is the logical next step for he and the loyalists to even attempt something like that. He's been one of the most practical characters of the series, but there's no attempt to explain why he'd take such a massive leap that is completely out of character. This is a one of the most important developments of the season and it's glossed over hoping the audience won't think too much about it. It really feels like the producers got a vague outline of the future books, but not the subtle details that make them work narratively.
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in my defence they'd look very similar 
