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Post by boojam on Jul 15, 2017 12:18:55 GMT
They don't explain why Davos, a secular man, would believe Jon Snow could be resurrected, much less why he thinks that is the logical next step for he and the loyalists to even attempt something like that. He's been one of the most practical characters of the series, but there's no attempt to explain why he'd take such a massive leap that is completely out of character. This is a one of the most important developments of the season and it's glossed over hoping the audience won't think too much about it. It really feels like the producers got a vague outline of the future books, but not the subtle details that make them work narratively. I wonder why they didn't think that through better, they had Dance in hand and long conversations with GRRM before we saw Beric's resurrection in season 3. Now Mel does know it , so they foreshadowed it there, but as far as I know she never speaks to Davos about it. If there had been that conversation or Gendry talking to Davos about it .... well that could of happened. Sometimes they catch details ... like Dany not speaking Valyrian in S3 to fool ol was-his-name? That was done in the book too, but it was explicit both Jorah and Selmy advise her not to let on that she is a native Valyrian speaker. Actually on the show it works as clever element of surprise no in the book. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 12:54:43 GMT
I'm rewatching season 6 and I just can't jive with the folks who say it's an improvement on season five. Two episodes in and two major plot points have been resolved by Deus ex machina. What I really hate is that the show is starting to treat violence in a cartoonish way. In the first two seasons we were horrified when peasants were cut down because they were Robert's bastards, it was disturbing. In season six a giant smashes a Night's Watch member's head open in a moment of comic relief. It's just so atypical of the themes George Martin would write about. Instead of challenging the audience, we're being conditioned to digest violence in comfortable ways in very typical methods of emtional manipulation. ASOIAF is supposed to be better than that. They don't explain why Davos, a secular man, would believe Jon Snow could be resurrected, much less why he thinks that is the logical next step for he and the loyalists to even attempt something like that. He's been one of the most practical characters of the series, but there's no attempt to explain why he'd take such a massive leap that is completely out of character. This is a one of the most important developments of the season and it's glossed over hoping the audience won't think too much about it. It really feels like the producers got a vague outline of the future books, but not the subtle details that make them work narratively. I never understood the Davos thing either. Completely out of left field for his character in my opinion, and i believe it only happened that way because the writers wrote themselves into a corner. Mel shouldn't have gone with Stannis, and instead Selyse burnt Shireen at castle black like i believe she is going to in the books, with Mel's coercing, to ressurect Jon Snow. Davos could have still been sent somewhere else and happened upon sansa and theon or something... There are many plot leaps like why Aliser Thorne/night's watch men would still stab Jon after what they saw at Hardhome...or why Jaime would still pledge his love and commitment to Cersei in season 6...Or why Arya is able to steal a face from the hall of faces with no explanation?! |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 15, 2017 15:01:39 GMT
Season 7 is tomorrow peeps!
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Jul 15, 2017 15:49:05 GMT
I think that season 6 had some really high highs. Like Hold the door/ botb/ light of the seven which kinda made up for a lot of shoddy writing. Still rate it above season 5 though. .
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 15, 2017 18:04:50 GMT
I'm rewatching season 6 and I just can't jive with the folks who say it's an improvement on season five. Two episodes in and two major plot points have been resolved by Deus ex machina. What I really hate is that the show is starting to treat violence in a cartoonish way. In the first two seasons we were horrified when peasants were cut down because they were Robert's bastards, it was disturbing. In season six a giant smashes a Night's Watch member's head open in a moment of comic relief. It's just so atypical of the themes George Martin would write about. Instead of challenging the audience, we're being conditioned to digest violence in comfortable ways in very typical methods of emtional manipulation. ASOIAF is supposed to be better than that. They don't explain why Davos, a secular man, would believe Jon Snow could be resurrected, much less why he thinks that is the logical next step for he and the loyalists to even attempt something like that. He's been one of the most practical characters of the series, but there's no attempt to explain why he'd take such a massive leap that is completely out of character. This is a one of the most important developments of the season and it's glossed over hoping the audience won't think too much about it. It really feels like the producers got a vague outline of the future books, but not the subtle details that make them work narratively. I never understood the Davos thing either. Completely out of left field for his character in my opinion, and i believe it only happened that way because the writers wrote themselves into a corner. Mel shouldn't have gone with Stannis, and instead Selyse burnt Shireen at castle black like i believe she is going to in the books, with Mel's coercing, to ressurect Jon Snow. Davos could have still been sent somewhere else and happened upon sansa and theon or something... There are many plot leaps like why Aliser Thorne/night's watch men would still stab Jon after what they saw at Hardhome...or why Jaime would still pledge his love and commitment to Cersei in season 6...Or why Arya is able to steal a face from the hall of faces with no explanation?! Yeah, I think Shireen's death will be the catalyst for Jon's resurrection, and they should have lined those two events up. Leaving Stannis in the snow for the season would have helped his decision to burn his daughter feel less rushed and would have added an element of conflict to his resurrection, something that is severely lacking in season 6. There are too many crowd pleasing moments in this season, to the point that the writing suffers because of it. I think that season 6 had some really high highs. Like Hold the door/ botb/ light of the seven which kinda made up for a lot of shoddy writing. Still rate it above season 5 though. . I don't think we give the writers enough credit for condensing AFFC/ADWD into a single coherent season. Something that needed to be done, but was going to be difficult. The writing in season 5 holds up and maintains the challenging tone of ASOIAF. After just doing a rewatch, I think we exaggerate the flaws of season 5 because the source material is less exciting and we hate the changes the writers made, most of which work in the context of the show. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 15, 2017 18:34:25 GMT
How I'm gonna be watching with my broke-ass AC:  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 15, 2017 18:51:13 GMT
Yeah no matter what, the whole writing team deserves credit for S5&6, simply for getting it to be somewhat fast-moving and exciting to watch, based on the source material. I love AFFC&ADWD in their own ways, but they aren't particularly exciting to read. Not much really happens. So I TOTALLY understand why they made the changes they did, to add some actually "events" to the storyline.
Dorne was lame, but beyond that, I don't have a ton of complaints. Sansa in WF was fine by me. Stannis' story made sense for the character IMO. Jon and the Wildlings and hardhome were great. Cersei vs Marg was basically ripped straight from AFFC. Arya was boring to me but that's ok.
TLDR even when the shows bad, it's still pretty good.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 15, 2017 19:29:09 GMT
Look who else was at the premier:  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jul 15, 2017 19:54:13 GMT
If we were to ignore the Dorne plot and arguing from the book source, the season 5 would be more enjoyable. I know a lot of people shits on D&D for changing a lot of things, but they have to remember that GRRM is sort of the blame here. The series has stayed faithful the books up until AFFC and ADWD and that's only cause of the convoluted mess the last 2 books were and obviously GRRM hasn't finish Winds yet. D&D needs to divert from the book in order for the series to continue, cause otherwise we gonna be stuck for eons for GRRM to finish both Winds and Dream and the cast will grow older.
I still maintain my sentiment that S6 is better than S5. Most of the plots in season 5 don't move forward much and some move drastically backward like Dany and Arya. I felt like KL's storyline is the only one that sort of push the plot forward.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 15, 2017 20:17:10 GMT
I wouldn't say I disliked season five, just liked it less than season six. I enjoyed it for the most part but for me, subjectively, some things are a little hard to forgive. I'm fine with "certain things" (below) happening, but I strongly dislike the way they were done.   |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 15, 2017 23:30:11 GMT
Look who else was at the premier: is that sasha grey lmao |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 15, 2017 23:46:32 GMT
Look who else was at the premier: is that sasha grey lmao Standing in front of Littlefinger.  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jul 16, 2017 1:31:22 GMT
24 HOURS LEFT MOTHERFUCKA!!!!   
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 16, 2017 3:34:43 GMT
Just finished The Door in my season six rewatch.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 16, 2017 4:49:31 GMT
The Broken Man prologue  |
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Post by boojam on Jul 16, 2017 10:10:39 GMT
I'm rewatching season 6 and I just can't jive with the folks who say it's an improvement on season five. Two episodes in and two major plot points have been resolved by Deus ex machina. What I really hate is that the show is starting to treat violence in a cartoonish way. In the first two seasons we were horrified when peasants were cut down because they were Robert's bastards, it was disturbing. In season six a giant smashes a Night's Watch member's head open in a moment of comic relief. It's just so atypical of the themes George Martin would write about. Instead of challenging the audience, we're being conditioned to digest violence in comfortable ways in very typical methods of emtional manipulation. ASOIAF is supposed to be better than that. They don't explain why Davos, a secular man, would believe Jon Snow could be resurrected, much less why he thinks that is the logical next step for he and the loyalists to even attempt something like that. He's been one of the most practical characters of the series, but there's no attempt to explain why he'd take such a massive leap that is completely out of character. This is a one of the most important developments of the season and it's glossed over hoping the audience won't think too much about it. It really feels like the producers got a vague outline of the future books, but not the subtle details that make them work narratively. There are many plot leaps like why Aliser Thorne/night's watch men would still stab Jon after what they saw at Hardhome...or why Jaime would still pledge his love and commitment to Cersei in season 6...Or why Arya is able to steal a face from the hall of faces with no explanation?! Yeah Jon's Et tu, Brute?-moment does not make much sense. But then I don't buy it in GRRM's prose treatment either. The Beric, LSH and Jon (well GRRM telegraphed Jon) resurrection shtick is kind of sort of interesting, but I could of done without it. |
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Post by boojam on Jul 16, 2017 10:12:06 GMT
S7 tonight, and what I want to know when is Arya gonna get Dark Sister?!
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Post by boojam on Jul 16, 2017 10:16:46 GMT
You know I remember when all the speaking parts were at KL, now they are all at Dragonstone and Winterfell ! It's gonna be down to Jamie soon, unless Euron takes up residence at KL? We still don't know what the hell THE OTHERS are or want despite a confusing origin story in season 6. |
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Post by Zadeth on Jul 16, 2017 10:24:38 GMT
There is an image I saw on Reddit about a poster for S7 in GRRM's cinema and it seems quite spoilery (if true), so if you see anything about it try and avoid.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jul 16, 2017 12:27:31 GMT
24 HOURS LEFT MOTHERFUCKA!!!! Ghost is more prominent in this poster than he has been for the last two seasons |
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