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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 1:43:01 GMT
It reminds me that should still be the scene of Jaqen in baths, so I suspect Arya finds him there, he gives her one last task, she kills the Waif and No One will live happily ever after The writers disappointed me with Sansa and Jon, so I refuse to believe that the same thing they did with the Arya And I guess Jaqen would be taking a bath to clean off the blood if he took Arya's face. Good point. However the whole taking faces case is more problematic. I think we have to assume that in the show canon the "senior" FM can use any face (also the living people) and it is associated with a type of magic that, apart from the appearance of their faces, changed their height, weight, etc. (like in S5).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 1:50:49 GMT
And I guess Jaqen would be taking a bath to clean off the blood if he took Arya's face. Good point. However the whole taking faces case is more problematic. I think we have to assume that in the show canon the "senior" FM can use any face (also the living people) and it is associated with a type of magic that, apart from the appearance of their faces, changed their height, weight, etc. (like in S5). Considering that Arya was able to change her face in S5, even if she got the sick girl to drink the water, I agree with you. As for the bath scene, WotW and LSR said this back in September, "Los Siete Reinos has also learned from their local sources that Game of Thrones will be filming a scene with a few extras inside the Banys Arabs, only male characters with at least one major character." If it's only male characters, I don't think Arya would be there.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 9, 2016 1:52:33 GMT
My only problem with any of these "not Arya" or "it was all planned" theories is that she looked legit shook after coming out of the water. None of them can explain that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 2:06:42 GMT
My only problem with any of these "not Arya" or "it was all planned" theories is that she looked legit shook after coming out of the water. None of them can explain that. Ah shit.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 2:09:03 GMT
Good point. However the whole taking faces case is more problematic. I think we have to assume that in the show canon the "senior" FM can use any face (also the living people) and it is associated with a type of magic that, apart from the appearance of their faces, changed their height, weight, etc. (like in S5). Considering that Arya was able to change her face in S5, even if she got the sick girl to drink the water, I agree with you. As for the bath scene, WotW and LSR said this back in September, "Los Siete Reinos has also learned from their local sources that Game of Thrones will be filming a scene with a few extras inside the Banys Arabs, only male characters with at least one major character." If it's only male characters, I don't think Arya would be there. Oh, thank you I didn't remember it exactly. So Jaqen alone washing himself from the blood. Also I think that junior FM is able to use face from Hall of Faces with better (Waif) or worse (Arya) effect depending on experience, but they have to choose someone similar in height, weight, sex to them, at least in show canon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 2:14:35 GMT
Sign me up for the theory outlined in that reddit post / imgur album. They get extra credit for doing a great job with the images and explanations. I'm just pleased as punch that I picked up on the weirdness of the scene immediately while watching it. My first post in the post-episode discussion I said it but didn't expand on it because I figured I was just overreacting or people would say I was just in shock over Arya's injury.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 9, 2016 2:15:24 GMT
My only problem with any of these "not Arya" or "it was all planned" theories is that she looked legit shook after coming out of the water. None of them can explain that. Well whether it was Arya or not, they still got stabbed three times in the stomach. My problem with it is who would possibly help Arya in Bravos? Syrio is (sorry guys) dead and Jaqen or whoever he truly is helping Arya makes no sense. Even if Arya doesn't have Needle, it doesn't mean it's not her... she could just as easily of stashed it somewhere. Remember, injuries in GoT aren't greatly consistent. Jon recovered from getting plastered with arrows at the end of S3 very fast in season 4, and getting stabbed in the leg by Karl Tanner had no consequence later on. They can have some randomer 'nurse' Arya back to health and I doubt many people would care. They would need to really explain this well if they decided to do an 'Arya isn't Arya' twist, and I don't really know if it's been built to very well in the past few episodes.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 2:15:59 GMT
My only problem with any of these "not Arya" or "it was all planned" theories is that she looked legit shook after coming out of the water. None of them can explain that. Everyone will looked legit shook after stabbing. I found an explanation that if it is Jaqen his nervous looking at the people is "scanning" their faces in search of those familiar from the Hall of Faces.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 2:19:56 GMT
My only problem with any of these "not Arya" or "it was all planned" theories is that she looked legit shook after coming out of the water. None of them can explain that. Everyone will looked legit shook after stabbing. I found an explanation that if it is Jaqen his nervous looking at the people is "scanning" their faces in search of those familiar from the Hall of Faces. If he was scanning faces to see ones he recognized - why did he not seem to recognize the old lady face? That's the one shown in the previous episode that Arya touched so we know it (I wouldn't have remembered it, great job reddit people!) and Jaqen would know it but he acted surprised. Was it just an act? I do support the counter arguments that Jaqen taking a risk on the waif being the proper assassin and slitting his throat seems odd but if as they say, he's kept his name from the three Arya named originally, then he clearly hopes the waif is going to to do a quick job of it since it's himself that will suffer. That's why he tells her not to let the girl suffer.
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 9, 2016 2:24:53 GMT
Everyone will looked legit shook after stabbing. I found an explanation that if it is Jaqen his nervous looking at the people is "scanning" their faces in search of those familiar from the Hall of Faces. If he was scanning faces to see ones he recognized - why did he not seem to recognize the old lady face? That's the one shown in the previous episode that Arya touched so we know it (I wouldn't have remembered it, great job reddit people!) and Jaqen would know it but he acted surprised. Was it just an act? I do support the counter arguments that Jaqen taking a risk on the waif being the proper assassin and slitting his throat seems odd but if as they say, he's kept his name from the three Arya named originally, then he clearly hopes the waif is going to to do a quick job of it since it's himself that will suffer. That's why he tells her not to let the girl suffer. The only way I can make sense of Jaqen been Arya is if all along its the waif he's been testing. I mean, it makes sense, with the whole entity between Arya and the Waif. Jaqen is testing her. And this test was to see if she could truly recognise her targets, which means she failed. That's the only way I see it anyway.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 9, 2016 2:28:46 GMT
I dunno, guys. I think even "it was all a dream" is more likely than any of these theories
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 2:33:48 GMT
If he was scanning faces to see ones he recognized - why did he not seem to recognize the old lady face? That's the one shown in the previous episode that Arya touched so we know it (I wouldn't have remembered it, great job reddit people!) and Jaqen would know it but he acted surprised. Was it just an act? I do support the counter arguments that Jaqen taking a risk on the waif being the proper assassin and slitting his throat seems odd but if as they say, he's kept his name from the three Arya named originally, then he clearly hopes the waif is going to to do a quick job of it since it's himself that will suffer. That's why he tells her not to let the girl suffer. The only way I can make sense of Jaqen been Arya is if all along its the waif he's been testing.I mean, it makes sense, with the whole entity between Arya and the Waif. Jaqen is testing her. And this test was to see if she could truly recognise her targets, which means she failed. That's the only way I see it anyway. Testing Waif or protecting Arya, or combination of both. He seems to still care about her, even if he wasn't suppose to. Sympathy for Arya would be a betrayal of a FM code, so maybe he decided it was time to repay the debt and to delete the last name from the list?
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 9, 2016 2:43:21 GMT
The only way I can make sense of Jaqen been Arya is if all along its the waif he's been testing.I mean, it makes sense, with the whole entity between Arya and the Waif. Jaqen is testing her. And this test was to see if she could truly recognise her targets, which means she failed. That's the only way I see it anyway. Testing Waif or protecting Arya, or combination of both. He seems to still care about her, even if he wasn't suppose to. Sympathy for Arya would be a betrayal of a FM code, so maybe he decided it was time to repay the debt and to delete the last name from the list?I suppose that makes sense. I guess we won't know till sunday. Still, I don't think thats the same Jaqen from Harrenhall, so would that debt still apply?
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 9, 2016 2:47:33 GMT
My only problem with any of these "not Arya" or "it was all planned" theories is that she looked legit shook after coming out of the water. None of them can explain that. Well whether it was Arya or not, they still got stabbed three times in the stomach. My problem with it is who would possibly help Arya in Bravos? Syrio is (sorry guys) dead and Jaqen or whoever he truly is helping Arya makes no sense. Even if Arya doesn't have Needle, it doesn't mean it's not her... she could just as easily of stashed it somewhere. Remember, injuries in GoT aren't greatly consistent. Jon recovered from getting plastered with arrows at the end of S3 very fast in season 4, and getting stabbed in the leg by Karl Tanner had no consequence later on. They can have some randomer 'nurse' Arya back to health and I doubt many people would care. They would need to really explain this well if they decided to do an 'Arya isn't Arya' twist, and I don't really know if it's been built to very well in the past few episodes. Lady Crane would help her. But I'm still pretty sure these theories are all too out there. I would put money on it being Arya. In fact, I think I will.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 3:05:34 GMT
I dunno, guys. I think even "it was all a dream" is more likely than any of these theories I really want to keep something that would explain the Arya's nonsense behavior. In the last episode, Jon wanted to attack the Winterfell with less than 2,500 people, Sansa tried to win a contest for the most arrogant lady in Westeros, they both behaved like brainwashed, and all to give the writers an explanation on the necessity of the LF aid. When also Arya done the dumbest thing in the world, I already had enough. Oh please, don't judge me I only want to the behavior of the characters fit what we know about them And Arya didn't behave like Arya. From the first second when I saw how she moves wondered why she was acting and why ceased to hide, surely she knew what awaited her. When I heard what and how he talked and I wondered why she pretended so confident. When she gave to surprise on the bridge, I could not believe how could she even temporarily lose vigilance. This wasn't smart, cautious, rational girl, I know. Explanation: or within one episode forgot everything she learned and lost the instinct of self-preservation, or we have a twist and that everything was a game. After the unceremoniously and foolishly her siblings has been treated by the writers, I preferred to stick to the second options. And yeah, I know that probably the explanation is simpler and writers don't give a shit about logic and character development when they need a specific things to happen.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 3:08:45 GMT
Testing Waif or protecting Arya, or combination of both. He seems to still care about her, even if he wasn't suppose to. Sympathy for Arya would be a betrayal of a FM code, so maybe he decided it was time to repay the debt and to delete the last name from the list? I suppose that makes sense. I guess we won't know till sunday. Still, I don't think thats the same Jaqen from Harrenhall, so would that debt still apply? In books no, in show almost certainly he is the same person. Edit: and lordcarson what an actress do with potentially fatal wounds?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 4:29:48 GMT
well, i am just going on my feelings here, the scene was meant to appear odd. Thats why we picked it up. So there has to be something more to it. Why did she walk through the crowds whilst injured? why didn't she lay low? No one in Braavos would help her (except lady crane, but maybe not even her unless she is westerosi) because everyone knows what the FM are, its the best known secret 'Arya' acting suprised after getting stabbed...doesn't really mean anything to me. If it was jaquen then he would be trying his best to be arya and thats what she might do in that situation. The show is pretty good with the little hints and i think if it turns out that this was a test for the waif, then it would actually make sense looking back.
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Post by GreenChili on Jun 9, 2016 10:07:56 GMT
It reminds me that should still be the scene of Jaqen in baths, so I suspect Arya finds him there, he gives her one last task, she kills the Waif and No One will live happily ever after The writers disappointed me with Sansa and Jon, so I refuse to believe that the same thing they did with the Arya And I guess Jaqen would be taking a bath to clean off the blood if he took Arya's face. Please remember that Girona was not only used for shots of Braavos, but also for King's Landing and Oldtown. So that scene in the Arab Baths could have been for any of those locations (and given the fact that it's "men only" my guess is it might well be a "Sam in the Citadel" scene).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 10:11:06 GMT
And I guess Jaqen would be taking a bath to clean off the blood if he took Arya's face. Please remember that Girona was not only used for shots of Braavos, but also for King's Landing and Oldtown. So that scene in the Arab Baths could have been for any of those locations (and given the fact that it's "men only" my guess is it might well be a "Sam in the Citadel" scene). Yeah, but the baths has been used before in Season 4 when Davos met with Salladhor Saan. Exterior shots were used for all three cities, but I'm fairly sure that this scene is happening in Braavos.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 10:12:17 GMT
And I guess Jaqen would be taking a bath to clean off the blood if he took Arya's face. Please remember that Girona was not only used for shots of Braavos, but also for King's Landing and Oldtown. So that scene in the Arab Baths could have been for any of those locations (and given the fact that it's "men only" my guess is it might well be a "Sam in the Citadel" scene). Yeah I could see it being a Sam in the Citadel scene given that it's only male characters, but I still wouldn't rule Jaqen out. I think Sam will arrive in Oldtown in 608 anyway since Mylod was in Girona for more than just Braavos.
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