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Post by boojam on Jun 7, 2016 12:28:48 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/4mvqtq/arya_wasnt_even_in_the_show_last_night/ Ok now I'm convinced it's this shit I think everything is more nonlinear than we think. I am not sure what the hell is going on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 20:45:38 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/4mvqtq/arya_wasnt_even_in_the_show_last_night/ Ok now I'm convinced it's this shit Yeah this is a pretty good summary of how I could see it going down and why. I'm really hyped about this because when I first saw the episode I was immediately thinking something was odd about the scene and said so in my first reply on the post-ep. discussion thread... no one else agreed much ... at first. Then people started saying "yeah it did seem weird" and now the whole internet seems to have picked up on it so I don't feel so tin-foily about it now! https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/4mvqtq/arya_wasnt_even_in_the_show_last_night/ Ok now I'm convinced it's this shit I'm really loving these theories, but none of them can explain why "fake Arya" was so distressed and panicked after leaving the water with her wounds. If she were Jaqen I imagine she would've kept her composure. This is definitely a curious component of the scene. Arya didn't act like Arya in the scenes leading up to falling off the bridge but then coming out of the water and in pain/bleeding she very much seemed like the real Arya. So either Jaqen let down his guard after it happened or it really was Arya, I have no idea at this point ... it's a great puzzle and I'm so glad we still have some things not spoiled by leaks or known info from books. (despite some things I do know from filming, this scene didn't at all play out like we speculated before the season's start) ...
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2016 6:20:02 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/4n3b5u/the_waif_stabs_the_midget_from_the_actors_troupe/ Crackpot full speed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 8:20:13 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/4n3b5u/the_waif_stabs_the_midget_from_the_actors_troupe/ Crackpot full speed What the fuck?
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2016 8:29:08 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/4n3b5u/the_waif_stabs_the_midget_from_the_actors_troupe/ Crackpot full speed What the fuck? I keep waiting for a theory of Bran warging into Arya and this being a reason she acts weird. I already saw a theory about Bran warging Sandor and killing all these people. Seriously
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 8:32:08 GMT
What the fuck? I keep waiting for a theory of Bran warging into Arya and this being a reason she acts weird. I already saw a theory about Bran warging Sandor and killing all these people. Seriously There was one theory that said Bran warged into Joff so he could behead Ned or something like that.
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2016 9:34:07 GMT
And.... ...it happened
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Post by boojam on Jun 8, 2016 9:54:20 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/4n3b5u/the_waif_stabs_the_midget_from_the_actors_troupe/ Crackpot full speed I think Benioff warged into Geroge R R Martin 6 years ago and not a word for Winds of Winter has been written.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 8, 2016 14:11:36 GMT
Arya... I know I becomes monothematic, but Jon's stupid behavior and Sansa's arrogance was enough for me to even withstand Arya magically forgetting everything she had learned in just one episode I rewatched this scene and some of her other scenes, I briefly looked at threads on reddit (as Admin said Crackpot full speed is a good term for what's going on there)and I came to the conclusion that there are only 3 possible explanation of this scene: 1. Everything is exactly as we saw. Personally I don't like this option, but logic has never been a strong point of the show, so perhaps it's the most accurate. Pro and con: + she acts confident, trying to imitate Syrio's and Jaqen's behaviour (Bravosi who she knew well) to make buing a passage easier + new clothes and silver: licentia poetica or whatever, we don't need to see everything on-screen + she simply could ponder, lose vigilance and not notice the danger. It happens even to the best + after stabbing she acts really natural, like scared to death Arya would - but also in last episode she was aware of the danger, tried to hide and get Needle back, why in the next episode she began to behave so foolishly? One big hole in the logic and character development Sure, she will get help and recover from the mortal wounds. Lady Crane couldn't do sh... nothing about that, but Jaqen probably could help. It will require from him using really hard core, almost Red Priest like kind of magic, but yeah he'll manage that. He still likes Arya and Waif didn't do exactly what she's been asked for, so why not help the girl. Arya will magically get better kill Waif and we will have to cope with a really thick and ridiculous plot armor, oh well... Fun fact: D&D think that we're idiots and we need shockers in every single episode 2. Arya tried to fabricate her own death to be over with FM and their death sentence on her. Really possible and rational one: + Arya acts exactly like Waif suspected: she was confident, high-born lady, she was openly walking the streets and asking about ship to Westeros. She made herself easy target for assasin. + she found a good place (bridge) from which she could easily escape and she was waiting for her murderer, after that she had to act like her wounds were real + this required from her some preparation: devise a plan, a bag with artificial blood and acting abilities. Fortunately, all this she had or could easily capturing (familiar acting troupe). She might also expect that it will be the Waif who want to kill and make her death slowly and painful (blow in the stomach so provides) - knife seemed too long and vest too tight to hide there a bag of blood and not getting truly hurt Fun fact: The face of the old woman is most likely the same, which Arya touched in the Hall of Faces in S5, so she could detected assassin early enough. 3. It was Jaqen, not Arya. Probably the least likely theory: + behavior, confidence, expressions, tone of voice, clothing, silver, no Needle - all this does not fit the Arya who we saw in the previous episode + wounds look serious, probably mortal and Arya is in good shape in the next episode, she'll need (magicall) help and time to recover +/- why Jaqen would do that and risk his life? To test Waif? To save Arya? - using face of living person: is it also part of their magic? Is it glamour or some kind of hallucinations poison? - after stabbing Arya acts really like Arya Fun fact: Arya had to give 3 names in S2, and didn't exactly unnamed Jaqen only made deal with him, but she never gave him 3 name other than his own. Death is certain, time is not.Anyway, in the next episode Arya jumps across rooftops like she is in the form of her life, so I hope that we will get a good explanation why.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 15:35:43 GMT
Love all the crackpot theories ... now that "Hold the Door" happened, the flood of tin-foil has been released from it's carefully contained padded-room dam and we will now have anything goes from here on out for Bran. Ugh! But in all seriousness, I do like your detailed thoughts on actual validity or impossibility of whether or not that was really Arya atimeforwolves. I always do the same thing like that... make a list of plus and minus points to try and figure out what makes more sense. In this case I just do not think we have enough concrete evidence to really go on. There's been no real clues leading up to this event other than that closing shot we had last week of Arya blowing out the candle and hiding with Needle. Unless that was done just to mislead us, it's the only evidence I can see that points to something else going on. Either someone's standing in for Arya (Jaqen) or Arya's made plans. I just don't buy it that she was casually strolling around and standing there staring at the statue and taken out by the overly obvious old-lady face.
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Post by Steve Stark on Jun 8, 2016 17:07:30 GMT
So I've heard of a lot of theories, but a friend of mine just brought up this about Arya: SPOILER: Click to show I posted this in the promo thread...it probably belongs here. Sorry about that. Is this theory discussed somewhere on the forum? And if so, where is it? I feel like I have to reread her chapters, because I didn't pick up on this. Maybe it's just a "show thing"? Think Fight Club. There is no waif. Arya is fighting her alter ego. Thoughts? Am I way behind on this? lol
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 8, 2016 17:48:35 GMT
As interesting as these theories about Arya not being Arya are, I do want to point out that last time she walked around the city with Needle on her person, she was confronted by some street thugs who were only scared off by the Faceless Man coming back to find Arya. I think its entirely possible that she chose not to carry her sword around so that wouldn't happen again and it was just left in her little hidey hole. That seems more plausible to me than all of these crazy ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:31:29 GMT
And then there's this:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:42:50 GMT
No, Olyvar is not in Braavos and certainly not following Arya.
Anyway, the actor didn't film at all for Season 6 IIRC, so that disproves this theory.
That blue clothed guy is in the trailer too. I think it's safe to say that he's just a braavosi extra.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:15:06 GMT
No, Olyvar is not in Braavos and certainly not following Arya. Anyway, the actor didn't film at all for Season 6 IIRC, so that disproves this theory. That blue clothed guy is in the trailer too. I think it's safe to say that he's just a braavosi extra. I didn't agree or disagree with it... I just posted it because people have been talking about all the wild theories and crackpot going on. I do think the guy in blue sticks out though once you actually start looking for him. Everyone else is in browns and golds and Braavos looking clothing. He's the only one not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 0:21:41 GMT
his outfit is not quite braavosi, but not quite westerosi either! He's just a tourist i think Braavos is a massive port
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 1:07:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 1:13:29 GMT
I'm going to subscribe to this theory too.
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Post by atimeforwolves on Jun 9, 2016 1:27:04 GMT
It reminds me that should still be the scene of Jaqen in baths, so I suspect Arya finds him there, he gives her one last task, she kills the Waif and No One will live happily ever after The writers disappointed me with Sansa and Jon, so I refuse to believe that the same thing they did with the Arya
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 1:30:50 GMT
It reminds me that should still be the scene of Jaqen in baths, so I suspect Arya finds him there, he gives her one last task, she kills the Waif and No One will live happily ever after The writers disappointed me with Sansa and Jon, so I refuse to believe that the same thing they did with the Arya And I guess Jaqen would be taking a bath to clean off the blood if he took Arya's face.
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