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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Apr 22, 2016 7:12:02 GMT
so, how the fuck does myranda still have a face? I guess Charlotte Hope's so fun that they kept her around for one last ep. despite that fall. Even though Stannis can apparently cut skulls in half like butter, Myranda's is titanium.  i would think that should have made her harder to kill. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 7:16:56 GMT
I guess Charlotte Hope's so fun that they kept her around for one last ep. despite that fall. Even though Stannis can apparently cut skulls in half like butter, Myranda's is titanium. i would think that should have made her harder to kill. Well, I guess it's more effective having him upset over a recognizable Myranda than a smooshed grapefruit. Though that would make his hauling her all the way into the castle kind of funnier. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 7:31:11 GMT
i would think that should have made her harder to kill. Well, I guess it's more effective having him upset over a recognizable Myranda than a smooshed grapefruit. Though that would make his hauling her all the way into the castle kind of funnier. I don't get why he is upset at all. He is a sociopath, this and that ludicrous scene they had talking about their feelings last season is just  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 7:32:51 GMT
nice op @alcasinoroyale
guessed i missed the discussion though
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 22, 2016 7:46:34 GMT
so, how the fuck does myranda still have a face? Maybe they will fuck her face up with CGI. Aren't the stills just photos from the set before post-production, hence the different lighting and lack of CGI? |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 7:50:11 GMT
so, how the fuck does myranda still have a face? Maybe they will fuck her face up with CGI. Aren't the stills just photos from the set before post-production, hence the different lighting and lack of CGI? Mark my words she will have one scratch on her forehead or something  clearly that is not serious. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Apr 22, 2016 7:51:25 GMT
and landing face first shouldn't do much damage, right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 7:51:47 GMT
Well, I guess it's more effective having him upset over a recognizable Myranda than a smooshed grapefruit. Though that would make his hauling her all the way into the castle kind of funnier. I don't get why he is upset at all. He is a sociopath, this and that ludicrous scene they had talking about their feelings last season is just I imagine it was a Natural Born Killers sort of thing. Or for a real life analogy from my neck of the woods, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. Sometimes monsters come in twos. |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 22, 2016 7:53:18 GMT
Maybe they will fuck her face up with CGI. Aren't the stills just photos from the set before post-production, hence the different lighting and lack of CGI? Mark my words she will have one scratch on her forehead or something clearly that is not serious. You're probably right  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 7:54:27 GMT
There's no way Ramsay should be upset over Myranda's death. Well upset for the reasons normal people would be.
I guess he's different in the show though, and Iwan did say we get to see a bit of a different side to him.
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 22, 2016 8:00:14 GMT
There's no way Ramsay should be upset over Myranda's death. Well upset for the reasons normal people would be. I guess he's different in the show though, and Iwan did say we get to see a bit of a different side to him. He's not an unemotional husk like what the definition for clinical psychopath says (or is it sociopath?). Just because you're insane and likes to murder and torture people doesn't mean you're clinically a psycho or sociopath, maybe just insane, still with as many emotions as regular people. I think Ramsay, at least in the show, is more nurture than nature to be honest (maybe with a little bit of nature too, just enough to make him insane enough), clinging way too hard to his family's old traditions to get his father's approval. I believe he loves Roose and I also believe he loved Reek in his own crazy way. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 8:01:45 GMT
There's no way Ramsay should be upset over Myranda's death. Well upset for the reasons normal people would be. I guess he's different in the show though, and Iwan did say we get to see a bit of a different side to him. He's not an unemotional husk like what the definition for clinical psychopath says (or is it sociopath?). Just because you're insane and likes to murder and torture people doesn't mean you're clinically a psycho or sociopath, maybe just insane, still with as many emotions as regular people. I think Ramsay, at least in the show, is more nurture than nature to be honest (maybe with a little bit of nature too, just enough to make him insane enough), clinging way too hard to his family's old traditions to get his father's approval. I believe he loves Roose and I also believe he loved Reek in his own crazy way. I'll defer to Nezzer on this one. He knows his Boltons.  |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 8:02:57 GMT
I don't get why he is upset at all. He is a sociopath, this and that ludicrous scene they had talking about their feelings last season is just I imagine it was a Natural Born Killers sort of thing. Or for a real life analogy from my neck of the woods, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. Sometimes monsters come in twos. Myranda is a basic bitch psycho. Mallory and Mickey were soul mates, konrad. What you wrote is blasphemy  There's no way Ramsay should be upset over Myranda's death. Well upset for the reasons normal people would be. I guess he's different in the show though, and Iwan did say we get to see a bit of a different side to him. Why they try to give him 'depth' in that way, I'll never know |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 8:05:54 GMT
There's no way Ramsay should be upset over Myranda's death. Well upset for the reasons normal people would be. I guess he's different in the show though, and Iwan did say we get to see a bit of a different side to him. He's not an unemotional husk like what the definition for clinical psychopath says (or is it sociopath?). Just because you're insane and likes to murder and torture people doesn't mean you're clinically a psycho or sociopath, maybe just insane, still with as many emotions as regular people. I think Ramsay, at least in the show, is more nurture than nature to be honest (maybe with a little bit of nature too, just enough to make him insane enough), clinging way too hard to his family's old traditions to get his father's approval. I believe he loves Roose and I also believe he loved Reek in his own crazy way. Well I couldn't disagree more not with what he did to Sansa, Theon and that old lady on the show. The show makes Joffrey look worse than Ramsay when it should be the other way around |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 22, 2016 8:16:59 GMT
He's not an unemotional husk like what the definition for clinical psychopath says (or is it sociopath?). Just because you're insane and likes to murder and torture people doesn't mean you're clinically a psycho or sociopath, maybe just insane, still with as many emotions as regular people. I think Ramsay, at least in the show, is more nurture than nature to be honest (maybe with a little bit of nature too, just enough to make him insane enough), clinging way too hard to his family's old traditions to get his father's approval. I believe he loves Roose and I also believe he loved Reek in his own crazy way. Well I couldn't disagree more not with what he did to Sansa, Theon and that old lady on the show. The show makes Joffrey look worse than Ramsay when it should be the other way around Just because you murder, rape and torture doesn't mean you are clinically a psychopath/sociopath, maybe you're just insane or a huge asshole. Evil people are not always evil just because of mental illness. There are many possible reasons. And about Joffrey I think he's seen as worse than Ramsay in the show more because he was a huge scumbag to well liked characters throughout his entire existence in the show, unlike Ramsay who only harmed a fan favorite in S5, and he was a lot more prominent than Ramsay has ever been. Oh, and there's also the fact that Joffrey is a huge coward and extremely incompetent, whereas Ramsay doesn't shy away from a fight and is competent enough, making him somewhat respectful in the eyes of the fandom. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 8:19:23 GMT
Well I couldn't disagree more not with what he did to Sansa, Theon and that old lady on the show. The show makes Joffrey look worse than Ramsay when it should be the other way around Just because you murder, rape and torture doesn't mean you are clinically a psychopath/sociopath, maybe you're just insane or a huge asshole. Evil people are not always evil just because of mental illness. There are many possible reasons. And about Joffrey I think he's seen as worse than Ramsay in the show more because he was a huge scumbag to well liked characters throughout his entire existence in the show, unlike Ramsay who only harmed a fan favorite in S5, and he was a lot more prominent than Ramsay has ever been. You don't have to write same thing twice, I read it. I just don't agree that it is the case with Ramsay. He is just not consistently written. And Joffrey wasn't given any attempts to give him 'he is not that bad' moments other than him being sad by his "father's" dying bed, which felt natural. Ramsay's Myranda angst feels forced and bizarre. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 8:23:14 GMT
Just because you murder, rape and torture doesn't mean you are clinically a psychopath/sociopath, maybe you're just insane or a huge asshole. Evil people are not always evil just because of mental illness. There are many possible reasons. And about Joffrey I think he's seen as worse than Ramsay in the show more because he was a huge scumbag to well liked characters throughout his entire existence in the show, unlike Ramsay who only harmed a fan favorite in S5, and he was a lot more prominent than Ramsay has ever been. You don't have to write same thing twice, I read it. I just don't agree that it is the case with Ramsay. He is just not consistently written. And Joffrey wasn't given any attempts to give him 'he is not that bad' moments other than him being sad by his "father's" dying bed, which felt natural. Ramsay's Myranda angst feels forced and bizarre. Well, we haven't seen the scene yet. Who knows how it plays out. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 8:24:58 GMT
You don't have to write same thing twice, I read it. I just don't agree that it is the case with Ramsay. He is just not consistently written. And Joffrey wasn't given any attempts to give him 'he is not that bad' moments other than him being sad by his "father's" dying bed, which felt natural. Ramsay's Myranda angst feels forced and bizarre. Well, we haven't seen the scene yet. Who knows how it plays out. I've seen enough with their last season arc The show will still remedy this because I'm sure whatever he does to Walda will trump any of this emo bullshit |
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Post by Basil on Apr 22, 2016 8:27:48 GMT
The fact that Ramsay completely lacks empathy and gets that much enjoyment out of torture and murder suggests that he is a (clinical) psychopath, tho. True, sane people do some evil shit sometimes, but they normally feel bad about it during it or afterwards. Real psychopaths don't, and Ramsay has never shown anything close to remorse. I don't think he is capable of what "normal" people would call love. He wants the approval of Roose only to satisfy his own ego, imo. And he sees Reek as his toy, he cares for him as someone would care for a valuable object, not another human being.
At least that's my opinion. For what it's worth, I do think Ramsay in the show is a much more interesting and multi layered character than his book counterpart.
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 22, 2016 8:29:36 GMT
Just because you murder, rape and torture doesn't mean you are clinically a psychopath/sociopath, maybe you're just insane or a huge asshole. Evil people are not always evil just because of mental illness. There are many possible reasons. And about Joffrey I think he's seen as worse than Ramsay in the show more because he was a huge scumbag to well liked characters throughout his entire existence in the show, unlike Ramsay who only harmed a fan favorite in S5, and he was a lot more prominent than Ramsay has ever been. You don't have to write same thing twice, I read it. I just don't agree that it is the case with Ramsay. He is just not consistently written. And Joffrey wasn't given any attempts to give him 'he is not that bad' moments other than him being sad by his "father's" dying bed, which felt natural. Ramsay's Myranda angst feels forced and bizarre. I don't think they are trying to make Ramsay look sympathetic to anyone, maybe just trying to make him actually human and less cartoonish. I don't think his relationship with Myranda is out of character. He was not a caring boyfriend who brings flowers and the like, which would be completely out of character indeed, but he's possessive and aggressive. Myranda was just his plaything, although she was smart enough to know what he likes and push his buttons. Her conversation with Sansa in the bathtub reinforces that idea, establishing that Ramsay has had several "girlfriends" who he used until he got bored and got rid of them, and she seems to know that she has to play his game to survive. |
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