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Post by Basil on Apr 13, 2017 15:54:47 GMT
That's certainly part of it, too.  I just don't like the argument that Ariel is a horrible character because she sold her soul for a vag. That's a shallow and frankly wrong interpretation of the movie, in my opinion. Sorry, if I'm being too much of a dick right now, but you can't imagine how much The Little Mermaid means to me. I love the movie and the character from the depth of my heart. Here is me trying to adress every single point made in that video. 1) Ariel's best feature is not her voice. We are told in the movie that she has a beautiful singing voice, but that's not a big deal to her or anyone. Ariel's best feature, in my opinion, is her curiosity and her thirst for new experiences and knowledge. 2) She did not sell her voice for a plastic surgery because she was vain and wanted to be more beautiful, she sold her voice because she was pushed by her father and because it was the only way for her to fulfill her dream. 3) Ariel doesn't control her small friends ever. 4) Ariel's father loves her, but he treats her like she's five years old. He doesn't take her, her wishes or problems seriously, he yells at her and he breaks her stuff. He is not a good father. 5) To us, it's junk. To Ariel, those are artifacts from a world she so desperately wants to belong to. 6) She never steals anything from anyone. 7) She can't talk to him because Ursula's spell turns her into a mute. The movie never portrays this as a good thing either, it's made pretty clear that Ariel made a huge mistake trusting the evil sea witch, and she is not rewarded for it. 8) She uses "baby talk", because she is a mermaid, and she doesn't know what human objects are called. 9) Okay, yes, she fell in love with a stranger. I've fallen in love with strangers, too. She didn't change for him, she changed because being part of the human world has been her life long dream. 10) It's got nothing to do with the way she looks, she wants leg because she wants to be able to walk on land. LOL didn't read  |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 13, 2017 17:20:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 23:17:06 GMT
Lol sorry Basil I thought it was funny when I got home after a big night |
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 14, 2017 12:48:53 GMT
speaking of underrated Disney movies, anyone remember this masterpiece? I did not see this when it came out but my kids absolutely love this movie and Kronk's New Groove. I can now quote both movies thanks to them and enjoy both. They were underrated! |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 14, 2017 19:59:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 1:10:40 GMT
Basil Emperor's New Groove was amazing. 
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Post by DaveyJoe on Apr 16, 2017 17:44:42 GMT
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Post by Basil on Apr 16, 2017 19:26:23 GMT
Currently watching my favourite Bond movie The World is Not Enough.
Sophie Marceau is bae.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 16, 2017 21:39:54 GMT
Pfft, Casino Royale or gtfo |
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Post by Basil on Apr 16, 2017 21:46:36 GMT
Pfft, Casino Royale or gtfo  I only like it because of Elektra, to be honest. She's so fabulous and evil. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 16, 2017 21:51:38 GMT
Pfft, Casino Royale or gtfo I only like it because of Elektra, to be honest. She's so fabulous and evil. I'm just kidding anyway. The Brosnan Bomd films are all hilariously flashy and reliant on big scenes but Electra was definitely one of the better creations from them. Though Goldeneye has to be my favourite Brosnan Bomd film, if only for:  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 16, 2017 22:27:46 GMT
I like the Craig ones. Casino Royale, Skyfall, and Spectre are  |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 16, 2017 22:54:07 GMT
I feel like Skyfall and Spectre are great on a surface level but once you rewatch and get over the initial "hoorah, Bond!" they are pretty disappointing. Spectre is full of throwbacks to previous Bond films, which was probably the best thing about it for me. But when you look at the actual plot Spectre is just completely lacklustre as an international criminal organisation. Such a waste of Christoph Waltz. And speaking of waste, Monica Bellucci was such an under utilised addition. Skyfall is worse than Spectre though. Even leaving aside that scene where Bond has sex with someone who just told him she was a sex slave (  ) the whole movie is just way too contrived, even for a Bond film. From the start, with Bond surviving being shot, falling from a moving train about 50ft from the ground and being carried away by the river, everything is just too absurd. I know the idea behind a Bond film isn't realism but there is a line to walk, and Skyfall didn't manage it. Then you also have the ridiculous Home Alone sequence at the end... I love the cast of the Daniel Craig Bond films, can't complain on that front. But after Casino Royal they dropped hugely in quality. I don't really like Quantum of Solace, but enjoyed that it didn't completely drop the story from the previous film as Bond films usually would. Vesper is by far the most complex and interesting lady in any Bond film...and I'm not just saying that because Eva Green got the role! Also, Le Chiffre. Awesome Bond villain, wonderful performance by Mads |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 16, 2017 23:15:34 GMT
idk i liked them.
Also, I am watching clips of Batman v Superman and i don't care what anyone says, the fight scenes are amazing.
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Post by DaveyJoe on Apr 16, 2017 23:18:12 GMT
Hate Craig as Bond. The characterisation of Bond as a miserable, nihilistic murderer with no redeeming qualities or humor has sucked all of the fun out of the series. The films are also poorly paced and they overstay their welcome at 2.5 hours a pop. Even Casino Royale falls apart in the third act, and have you rewatched it recently? The 45 minute poker game is agonizing to sit through. Make Bond fun again.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Apr 16, 2017 23:31:18 GMT
Is this some kind of unofficial Bond day or something? Thunderball was on earlier today. This is a spooky coincidence |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Apr 17, 2017 0:13:41 GMT
Is this some kind of unofficial Bond day or something? Thunderball was on earlier today. This is a spooky coincidence More spooky, Clifton James who played Sheriff J.W. Pepper in Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun has died.  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 17, 2017 0:14:09 GMT
ooky spooky
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 17, 2017 0:37:10 GMT
Hate Craig as Bond. The characterisation of Bond as a miserable, nihilistic murderer with no redeeming qualities or humor has sucked all of the fun out of the series. The films are also poorly paced and they overstay their welcome at 2.5 hours a pop. Even Casino Royale falls apart in the third act, and have you rewatched it recently? The 45 minute poker game is agonizing to sit through. Make Bond fun again. I don't see a problem changing Bond like that. Audience demand changes, and the old cheesy Bond had grown tired and worn out imo. I prefer the series showing that his work has taken a psychological toll on him. Craig brought something new to Bond, and imo it works. The problem for me is lazy writing/plot. I'd also like to see the series progress away from the misogynistic and other gross elements of the franchise but I won't hold my breath on that one. I agree the pacing of the recent films needs work (and as I said only Casino Royals stands out to me). They could all be shorter, and that again ties into the poor writing. Less absurd contrivances and tighter plotting could work wonders. Disagree with what you say about the poker game though. It's not like the full 45 minutes is spent sitting at the table playing cards. It's interspersed with good character building moments and actions scenes. It slowly raises the stakes (pun unintended....) until LeChiffre kidnaps Vesper and tortures Bond. It's a drop in pace from the previous part of the film, but I think that's needed. It also develops the relationship between Bond and Vesper so I feel the emotional impact at the end. I'd prefer Bond to have more meaningful relationships in the films than the typically shallow sexual relationships because apparently Bond is irresistible. I get it's all wish fulfillment but I feel we should have moved on from the misogynistic and sometimes rape-y vibes in the Bond films of old. And yet we haven't, not really. (I do have a soft spot for Bond films. They were a staple of our household growing up. But I see them now and parts of them have really aged poorly) Is this some kind of unofficial Bond day or something? Thunderball was on earlier today. This is a spooky coincidence you'd be hard pressed to find a weekend Bond isn't on British tv somewhere, especially a long weekend like this. Usually ITV 3 or 4 for the older ones, around 2/3p.m. the Brosnan and Craig Bonds are usually ITV 1 and 2 later at night, usually starting at 9p.m. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Apr 17, 2017 1:05:21 GMT
Hate Craig as Bond. The characterisation of Bond as a miserable, nihilistic murderer with no redeeming qualities or humor has sucked all of the fun out of the series. The films are also poorly paced and they overstay their welcome at 2.5 hours a pop. Even Casino Royale falls apart in the third act, and have you rewatched it recently? The 45 minute poker game is agonizing to sit through. Make Bond fun again. I don't see a problem changing Bond like that. Audience demand changes, and the old cheesy Bond had grown tired and worn out imo. I prefer the series showing that his work has taken a psychological toll on him. Craig brought something new to Bond, and imo it works. The problem for me is lazy writing/plot. I'd also like to see the series progress away from the misogynistic and other gross elements of the franchise but I won't hold my breath on that one. I agree the pacing of the recent films needs work (and as I said only Casino Royals stands out to me). They could all be shorter, and that again ties into the poor writing. Less absurd contrivances and tighter plotting could work wonders. Disagree with what you say about the poker game though. It's not like the full 45 minutes is spent sitting at the table playing cards. It's interspersed with good character building moments and actions scenes. It slowly raises the stakes (pun unintended....) until LeChiffre kidnaps Vesper and tortures Bond. It's a drop in pace from the previous part of the film, but I think that's needed. It also develops the relationship between Bond and Vesper so I feel the emotional impact at the end. I'd prefer Bond to have more meaningful relationships in the films than the typically shallow sexual relationships because apparently Bond is irresistible. I get it's all wish fulfillment but I feel we should have moved on from the misogynistic and sometimes rape-y vibes in the Bond films of old. And yet we haven't, not really. (I do have a soft spot for Bond films. They were a staple of our household growing up. But I see them now and parts of them have really aged poorly) Audience didn't demand changing Bond's characterization. Die Another Day was just so shitty that they had to reboot the franchise. Fun, charming, and cocky characters are still beloved by audiences. Look at RJD's portrayal of Tony Stark. He's more like James Bond than Daniel Craig is. If it wasn't for that amazing parkour scene at the beginning of Casino Royale, it wouldn't be as highly regarded as it. It takes the Dalton characterization, which failed in the 80s, then rips off On Her Majesty's Secret Service and people celebrated it for taking Bond in a daring new direction. Sorry, but Texas Hold'Em is a boring game to watch. Baccarat is a quick moving, classy game that didn't bog down the other films, and it would've been closer to the book. I watched it a couple of months ago and the poker game was really awful to sit through. The movie comes grinding to a halt every time they're playing cards. The third act is overwhelmingly melodramatic considering how weak the chemistry is between Craig and Green. Their relationship is poorly developed and James Bond doesn't feel like a real, three dimensional human being. That's the problem with the overly serious tone of the new films, they're trying to have it both ways, by making the films more 'respectable' but they don't have a team that can write characters well at all. Each film is a mess, Skyfall is full of inconsistencies thanks to the winks and nods to previous Bond movies. Is this continuity a reboot or a sequel? It changes from scene to scene. James Bond films(I know the books are different) have always been fun, adventure movies that serve as the quintessential male fantasy. They're all about dressing impeccably, driving expensive cars, seducing beautiful women and punching the bad guy without messing up your cuffs. The Craig era is such a vast departure from the spirit of 30+ years of films that I just can't get much enjoyment out of them. I can appreciate a darker, more grim action movie, but there are plenty of those and these movies are just poorly written. At least bad Bond movies of years past let the audience have a bit of fun along the way. The current Bond movies take themselves so seriously that the shifting tone from scenes like Sad Bond drinking Heineken with a scorpion to Bond jokingly threatening to eject M with his Aston Martin ejector seat(how does he know about that anyway? That was Connery's Bond that had that gadget) feels really jarring. The attempt to make these films good make the inconsistencies stand out that much more. When you've got James Bond fighting a giant with metal teeth, it's a lot easier to overlook some writing flaws. It's like adapting Sherlock Holmes in two different ways:  vs.  Sure, out of context, the RDJ version of Sherlock could be very entertaining, but it's not true to the spirit of the character that fans love. That's how I feel about Craig's portrayal of James Bond. He's bastardizing the character I grew up watching and loving, and he clearly hates playing the character. Compare Craig's wish to slit his wrists while promoting Spectre to Hugh Jackman's enthusiasm for playing Wolverine and his love of the fans. I think Craig is doing a disservice to Bond fans and I can't wait for him to step down for somebody who appreciates the character.  |
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I just don't like the argument that Ariel is a horrible character because she sold her soul for a vag. That's a shallow and frankly wrong interpretation of the movie, in my opinion.
) the whole movie is just way too contrived, even for a Bond film. From the start, with Bond surviving being shot, falling from a moving train about 50ft from the ground and being carried away by the river, everything is just too absurd. I know the idea behind a Bond film isn't realism but there is a line to walk, and Skyfall didn't manage it. Then you also have the ridiculous Home Alone sequence at the end...
