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Post by day dreamer on Apr 19, 2016 14:55:27 GMT
I just re-watched Ned's beheading, which is still so sad even all these years later, but one little detail I never noticed was Varys running over to Cersei looking like he was trying to talk her out of it. That scene has my favorite "show only" addition to date. Ned saying Baelor to Yoren to indicate where Arya was. Just perfect This scene is actually what hooked me on the show. I wasn't really paying attention while my husband was watching at first, but seeing him totally lose his shit over Ned Stark dying immediately made me watch all the other episodes on demand so I could be up to speed with him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 12:29:06 GMT
Nearly through s2. And one episode that always sticks out to me in an imho otherwise weak season (other than 203 and 209 the usual suspects) is ep. 207. The Theon and Jaime scenes in particular stand out (I'm one of those people who doesn't give a flying fuck that he killed Alton  ). NCW grinning as he's brought back to the camp by that huge group of Northmen beating him up is a quintessential pre-amputation Jaime moment. You have to respect him almost despite his being such a douche because he truly is fearless. And then of course Michelle Fairley is amazing in that scene with her "AND GAG HIM!" punchline to the scene. As for the Theon material it's just  Alfie Allen's reaction shot at the end of the episode after the charred corpses of the farmer's sons are pulled up just says everything. My only complaint is that it faded to black instead of letting us look at that expression for longer. It really prefigures a lot of his great silent work as Reek more recently. No matter how much his sister disapproved of his laziness and pot-smoking back in the day, Alfie's an immense talent. That's got to be one of the best episode-ending moments the show's done really. Because even more so than his face after killing Rodrick you feel for this guy doing these horrible things. Which is quite a feat. I just rewatched 207 and you are so right. It really sticks out in an otherwise weak season (minus 203, 209 and perhaps 210). Jaime killing Alton is such a great scene. I also really liked everything with Sansa and the "blooming of her red flower". It's great to see Shae caring so much for her and her talk with Cersei was fascinating and had well-written dialogue. I also liked Jon/Ygritte. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 12:38:08 GMT
Oh and also these scenes of course. So basically the entire episode.  |
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 22, 2016 3:46:33 GMT
Rewatching The Lion and the Rose, Alfie Alan is such a great actor. He's amazing in the scene where he's shaving Ramsay. Dude should already have an Emmy nom.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 4:43:42 GMT
I've been doing my last-minute Season 5 re-watch and though I've watched bits and pieces of my favorite scenes a lot (some like Dany's flight on Drogon many times) this was my first time re-watching the wedding and bedding of Ramsay to Sansa. Such a sensitive one, I never cared to go back to it again after all the controversy and understandably emotional reactions to it. I have to say, it was really a beautifully done scene overall even though the end subject matter was horrible. Sophie's acting, Alfie's, Iwan's ... they all really did amazing work and were perfect. All things considered, this whole idea to put Sansa in the place of "fArya" could have been a huge huge mistake but it has turned out to be fairly brilliant. I'm just so impressed with how much Sophie has grown into her character over the years. She's a beautiful young woman and has a bright future ahead of her long after GoT is over.  |
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Post by mau on Apr 22, 2016 9:02:01 GMT
I agree. Idea to put Sansa in the North will have a great pay-off in S6. I really don't think that GrrM can make her storyline in the books that interesting. I mean Sansa with Ramsay, Roose, Brienne, Theon, maybe Davos and Jon,... Nothing in the books , no character in the books can make her story more powerful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 9:12:35 GMT
It was certainly better than having her babysitting Sweetrobin in the Vale. The Alayne chapters in AFfC were a bit of a chore for me.
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Post by mau on Apr 22, 2016 9:33:30 GMT
The Vale in the books is just Meereen 2.0 .Sansa is isolated from the story.
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Post by Basil on Apr 22, 2016 9:45:43 GMT
Sansa had only like two or three chapters in Book 4 and none in Book 5, I don't think it's fair to say that her show storyline was better or that Martin will never be able to make it powerful. Her storyline in the books hasn't even started yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 9:46:49 GMT
The Vale in the books is just Meereen 2.0 .Sansa is isolated from the story. Eh I'll take Meereen over the Vale any day. At least there's a shadow war going on there. And we get to see Dany struggling with ruling the city. I also like more of the characters there too (Barristan, Shavepate, Green Grace, etc). Other than LF the only character in the Vale I find interesting is Myranda Royce. |
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Apr 22, 2016 9:50:09 GMT
Sansa had only like two or three chapters in Book 4 and none in Book 5, I don't think it's fair to say that her show storyline was better or that Martin will never be able to make it powerful. Her storyline in the books hasn't even started yet. Agreed completely and at least in the books it will make sense. Still have yet to see a logical explanation for "Littlefingers plan". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 9:52:06 GMT
Sansa had only like two or three chapters in Book 4 and none in Book 5, I don't think it's fair to say that her show storyline was better or that Martin will never be able to make it powerful. Her storyline in the books hasn't even started yet.Disagree with that. We're 5 books in. I would hope she has a storyline by now.  It just isn't the Player or QitN that people want yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 10:00:24 GMT
Ah this thread. I guess I've been shirking it as my rewatch has gone on. Watched 503 yesterday and 504 and 505 today. 503 and 505 are both really good imho. 503 more so in writing and 505 more in direction. But both are very tight in their different ways. As I've said before I love the ending of 503 because the Tyrion-Jorah meetup was one of my favourite bits of ADWD (so glad they cut the Griffs btw ) and I thought that moment was pulled off very well. And the rest of the episode, particularly the KL, Sansa and CB bits flow really well. Braavos too...well I guess just all of it then. And 505 is golden. Not that I mind 504 especially (I just don't think Dave Hill has the writing chops yet that D and D and Cogman do) it was just a little too on the nose a time or two too many. But 505 is lovely. The Winterfell stuff is the highlight of the episode and Podeswa NAILS IT, especially the section beginning with Sansa and Theon reuniting and ending, after the dinner scene, with Roose and Ramsay's talk about his conception. And the ending is great too. Not just the Stone Men fight but the cinematography of the scene where Jorah goes off to look at his infected wrist is one of the best-lit moments in the whole of the show.  |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 10:01:13 GMT
The show should have just skipped what they did with Sansa in s5. I don't often use the phrase jump the shark but there are 3 times I do use it - with Lost, with That 70s show and with GoT. And it has done so several times just in this storyline 1. LF doesn't know RS is a psycho, even though Ramsay hunts people and LF is supposed to be know everything 2. Sansa willingly marries the son of a guy who killed her brother, gives up her Stark name, gives up her virginity and all of that after 2 mins talk with LF. I don't care about Sansa leading the North now. She married a traitor for nothing. 3. Sansa's biggest accomplishment was being snarky at dinner and opening door with a nail 4. Sansa's marriage to Tyrion is annulled just because LF says so 5. The entire Northern rebellion in the land that is supposed to be so loyal to the Starks are 2 old people. The North in the show doesn't give a shit Ned Stark's daughter is getting raped 6. The candle plan.
It's not that the above was just unnecessary. It was incomprehensible. I'll have Sansa sitting on her ass in the Vale over this any time. I'll have Sansa slipping on banana peel and dying over this any time.
Also I do question the mentality and agendas of the writers who cut so much from the books, yet include so many scenes of Ramsay torture in s3 and still insist not just on having Jeyne Pool story arc in the show to begin with but give it to Sansa when 1. we already know Ramsay is a monster 2. Sansa already has a reason to hate the Boltons. Between this and the total lack of rational thought behind Sansa's storyline I find it disgusting. I may rewatch the show one day but I will never rewatch her scenes in s5 and I don't even like or particularly care about Sansa.
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Post by Basil on Apr 22, 2016 10:01:56 GMT
Sansa had only like two or three chapters in Book 4 and none in Book 5, I don't think it's fair to say that her show storyline was better or that Martin will never be able to make it powerful. Her storyline in the books hasn't even started yet.Disagree with that. We're 5 books in. I would hope she has a storyline by now. It just isn't the Player or QitN that people want yet. I meant a "new chapter" in her storyline, after her escape from King's Landing and the death of Lysa, something comparable to what's going on with her in the show, with the upcoming Snowbowl and stuff and whatever part she'll play during it. The few chapters she had in Book 4 were really just build-up. And if I remember correctly, her last chapter ended with Littlefinger promising to give her the Eyrie and Winterfell, so I think her storyline is roughly going in the same direction, she just won't end up marrying Ramsay, which I'm happy about. |
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Post by Basil on Apr 22, 2016 10:33:52 GMT
Look, I don't really mind what they did with Sansa in S5. I mean, I'm not happy about it, I feel like it undermines her character development, but they decided to give her the storyline of another character, and that's fine, whatever. I understand they had to come up with something, given the fact that her book storyline basically stops after the death of Lysa Arryn. I wish they had given it a little bit more thought (it still doesn't make sense to me at all why Littlefinger would give Sansa to the Boltons and especially why Sansa would agree to that). But it is what it is and honestly, it's not that big of a deal to me. Her storyline in S5 bothered me far less than I originially thought it would, when I read that Sansa would replace Jeyne Poole for the first time.
I'm just getting a little bit annoyed by people saying that her storyline was soo much better in the show than in the books, considering that nothing even remotely comparable has happened to Sansa in the books yet.
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Post by mau on Apr 22, 2016 11:42:22 GMT
Sansa had only like two or three chapters in Book 4 and none in Book 5, I don't think it's fair to say that her show storyline was better or that Martin will never be able to make it powerful. Her storyline in the books hasn't even started yet. But he can't make it more powerful when the only interesting character with her in the books is LF. In the show you have Brienne, Ramsay, Jon, Davos, Mel, Roose, Theon, Northern lords,... |
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Post by Admin on Apr 22, 2016 11:48:33 GMT
Sansa had only like two or three chapters in Book 4 and none in Book 5, I don't think it's fair to say that her show storyline was better or that Martin will never be able to make it powerful. Her storyline in the books hasn't even started yet. But he can't make it more powerful when the only interesting character with her in the books is LF. In the show you have Brienne, Ramsay, Jon, Davos, Mel, Roose, Theon, Northern lords,... Which is precisely why Martin can focus on Sansa in her own story not all the other people while Sansa is a pawn and plot device |
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Post by mau on Apr 22, 2016 11:57:54 GMT
I don't like her isolated story. In the books she doesn't serve the plot in any way. But that is a problem with many charactets in the last two books. Martin just lost the plot and the sense of momentum.
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 22, 2016 11:59:22 GMT
I can see *why* they put Sansa in the North, but their execution was poor. Yes the actors were good in their scenes, but I don't see how dumbing down Sansa is better than having her actually learn something in the Vale? They teased dark!empowered! Sansa when we last saw her in S4 then when we meet up with her again she's going along with several stupid plans and not questioning Littlefinger at all? It made her into the "stupid little girl" all over again. Plus, the fact that Roose gives Ramsay fArya in the books also felt like another browbeat from Roose because he'd never give his bastard a real Stark daughter.
I'm sure Sansa's Northern stuff is going to be great this season, and I'm not sure how I would've done it differently to get her into this point now, but I can't call her Winterfell story good.
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). NCW grinning as he's brought back to the camp by that huge group of Northmen beating him up is a quintessential pre-amputation Jaime moment. You have to respect him almost despite his being such a douche because he truly is fearless. And then of course Michelle Fairley is amazing in that scene with her "AND GAG HIM!" punchline to the scene. 
Alfie Allen's reaction shot at the end of the episode after the charred corpses of the farmer's sons are pulled up just says everything. My only complaint is that it faded to black instead of letting us look at that expression for longer. It really prefigures a lot of his great silent work as Reek more recently. No matter how much his sister disapproved of his laziness and pot-smoking back in the day, Alfie's an immense talent. That's got to be one of the best episode-ending moments the show's done really. Because even more so than his face after killing Rodrick you feel for this guy doing these horrible things. Which is quite a feat.
