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Post by boojam on Jul 2, 2015 23:51:21 GMT
This may be posted elsewhere , but , published on July 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 23:52:12 GMT
It is late, so I will watch this later. Can you post a summary?
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Post by boojam on Jul 3, 2015 8:46:01 GMT
Copied from ASOIF reddit:
(Spoilers All) Everything I learned from George R. R. Martin's June 23, 2015 talk in Sweden. (self.asoiaf)
submitted 27 minutes ago * by everyman50
• He's not planning on splitting TWOW in two. There was an excess of viewpoint characters from AFFC and ADWD - to there are going to be deaths.
• Cities in Westeros are based on Medieval European cities and a lot are just in his imagination and not based on any real city.
• On dialogue: Don't have huge soliloquies. Short dialogue back and forth is good and readable. Also read dialogue out loud.
• GRRM cannot explain the rules of Cyvasse. He said it's like chess/Stratego and a great of great complexity and profundity. Said that if there's a great poet in your world don't quote him because most writers aren't great poets. Refused to license the game because it's supposed to be the greatest game in Westeros - wasn't likely that a game company would create a game equal to chess in one year.
• He doesn't really work with other writers as co-authors anymore, but he edits other authors’ writing. In his earlier career he did work with co-authors, but he said eventually you find your own voice and don't want to work with other writers anymore. You just want to do your own thing.
• The reason AFFC was so different was because GRRM wanted to explore the aftermath of the battles. GRRM mentioned a quote in Shakespeare’s play Henry the IV, where a peasant questions a King’s war and says it’s unjust. The reply was that it’s not for the peasant to decide and it’s for the god to decide – Shakespeare was appeasing the Tudors during the Tudor dynasty. But he asks whether were any of the wars necessary, did the wars improve anything for anybody, except for the ones who wanted glory for themselves and thus waged war? What difference did it make to the common man which lord had dominion over them? It’s not like they were fighting for political systems – it was all kind of the same. Not true of all wars, and certainly true of many of them.
• GRRM drew heavily on the 100 years war, and the War of the Roses, and to a lesser extent on the Crusades.
• GRRM relied heavily on Westeros.org to world build because they had an encyclopedia of all the stuff he had written and it was easily accessible. He even invited Elio and Linda to be co-authors on his “World of Ice and Fire” book where it explained all the lands in “Planetos.”
• For the “Lands of Ice and Fire” map book, he primarily did that because of the money and because he thought the maps were already available. But he had to fill in a lot of stuff in Westeros, in Essos, and an equally large world east of Essos and east of Qarth. In Qarth, Xaro Xoan Ducksauce gives Dany a map of the world where Qarth is the center – that implies there’s just as much in the east of the Qarth as there is in the west. So he invented names, and when he ran out of names he included obscure references like Carcosa (didn’t know True Detective would use that) and references that were a tip of the hat to H.P. Lovecraft, never truly intending to take the story there at all.
• GRRM also created many mysterious objects (e.g., oily black stone?) in his other lands and says it makes the world richer. He said who knows, now that he’s set up these worlds like Yiti, maybe he’ll return to them and explore stories in there.
• GRRM said that the present day mysteries of ASOIAF will be resolved mostly. But some mysteries will remain mysteries because real life has a lot of unexplained mysteries.
• The HBO show will certainly spoil a lot of content in the books but it is not so certain which content they will spoil. Some of it can’t be spoiled because the show has diverged from the books so much (e.g., there are 20 characters or so that are dead in the show but alive in the novels).
• The Maesters in Westeros has much better medical knowledge and skills than their equivalent people in real medieval times. This is mainly because he didn’t want people dying at 26, but also because they have magic that can, for example, bring people back from the dead. Magic is unreliable but sometimes it works.
• GRRM told a story about how he used to ask Professors in Northwestern University whether he could write a short story instead of a term paper (he was actually writing stories on the side and trying to sell them in magazines, sci-fi and non-sci-fi). One Professor for the Scandinavian course he was taking agreed and he came up with a short historical fiction story on which he got an “A.” 20 years later, he rewrote that story and included a time-traveling dwarf and sold it to “Omni” for thousands of dollars.
• No plans for new POV characters except for the prologues and epilogues of the novels.
• Ser Barristan Selmy got a viewpoint because GRRM could not give a complete story and unravel the timeline of how everything happens in Meereen without another viewpoint character to explain and bind it all together.
• GRRM agrees that yes the story is further and further going out, but it’s past time that the story come together (referring to contracting the story and bringing it to a close).
• The gods of Westeros are based on real religions: The Faith of the Seven is Medieval Catholicism, the Old Gods is like Druidism or Animism, the Red God is Zoroastrianism and the Cathars or Albigensian Heresy (provoking the Albigensian Crusades). The Cathars claimed they were Christians but they were so far removed.
• GRRM talks about how our educational system does not provide the world histories of other cultures. We get our American history and then the civil war, then Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Crusades, the dark ages, middle ages and follow England mostly. And then in High School we get the same subjects but in greater detail. Then in college we get the same subjects, but then there are electives. Now we can learn new stuff. That’s where he truly started learning about other cultures, the Scandinavians for example and also Asian cultures and histories.
• GRRM has a lot of projects – deal to invent new shows for HBO. Has 3 shows that are in various stages of development and has no clue whether they will become shows. He’s developing the “Skintrade” – Novella. But others are writing the scripts.
• He wants to be able to write things other than just ASOIAF. So after it ends he plans on doing other stuff. He brought up Frank Herbert who he said had come to hate Dune by the end because that’s all they wanted from him. So he didn’t want to become Frank Herbert.
o He said he has more Dunk and Egg stories to write – says he’s only about a third of the way through their careers.
o Also mentioned writing a Targaryen story that he’s got to finish.
o Maybe even Yiti, he said jokingly, half-serious.
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Post by boojam on Jul 3, 2015 9:14:30 GMT
The following quote is interesting:
"So you may see some extremely shocking things in the show that come up in the next season or two, but I'm not sure you could consider them spoilers, because they're never gonna happen in the books. They can't happen in the books, because the show and the books have gone down different roads."
Depending on your druthers that's either good news or some other kind of news.
Consider what David Benioff said at the Oxford Union Panel:
"Luckily, we’ve been talking about this with George for a long time, ever since we saw this could happen, and we know where things are heading. We’ll eventually, basically, meet up at pretty much the same place where George is going. There might be a few deviations along the route, but we’re heading towards the same destination. I kind of wish that there were some things we didn’t have to spoil (for the books), but we’re kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place/…/ I think the thing that’s kind of fun for George is the idea that he can still have surprises for people even once they’ve watched the show through to the conclusion. There are certain things that are going to happen in the books that are different in the show, and I think people who love the show and want to know more about the characters, want to know more about the different characters who might not have made the cut for the show —will be able to turn to the books."
I can't find it , and not going back and look at the Oxford panel again, but Benioff also said something like:
"When we get to the end, readers will be satisfied with the story" or something like that.
Could be, but as things stand , seems to be, a failure of imagination if one can't figure a way to do the adaptation so as to tell the same story. I mean one branches into another parallel universe of ASOIAF and then frog marchs the story back to the same ending. So that's ok, except this last season the visual narrative seem more fragmented than before.
Hope it goes smoother in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 9:56:38 GMT
• He wants to be able to write things other than just ASOIAF. So after it ends he plans on doing other stuff. He brought up Frank Herbert who he said had come to hate Dune by the end because that’s all they wanted from him. So he didn’t want to become Frank Herbert. o He said he has more Dunk and Egg stories to write – says he’s only about a third of the way through their careers. o Also mentioned writing a Targaryen story that he’s got to finish. o Maybe even Yiti, he said jokingly, half-serious. Poor GrrM but him saying he doesn't want to keep writing ASOIAF material for the rest of his life and then naming all of these unfinished Westerosi projects of his, isn't really a good sign.
We might get TWOW in the next few years but any more of that, I'm just going to rely on the show at this point. I'm certainly not going to wait for a decade for new ASOIAF material and I don't think he can afford to either tbh.
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Post by boojam on Jul 3, 2015 11:11:38 GMT
• He wants to be able to write things other than just ASOIAF. So after it ends he plans on doing other stuff. He brought up Frank Herbert who he said had come to hate Dune by the end because that’s all they wanted from him. So he didn’t want to become Frank Herbert. o He said he has more Dunk and Egg stories to write – says he’s only about a third of the way through their careers. o Also mentioned writing a Targaryen story that he’s got to finish. o Maybe even Yiti, he said jokingly, half-serious. Poor GrrM but him saying he doesn't want to keep writing ASOIAF material for the rest of his life and then naming all of these unfinished Westerosi projects of his, isn't really a good sign.
We might get TWOW in the next few years but any more of that, I'm just going to rely on the show at this point. I'm certainly not going to wait for a decade for new ASOIAF material and I don't think he can afford to either tbh.
You know , for “World of Ice and Fire” , why didn't he just say to his co-authors "look, here's the outline of stuff for that , but it is up to you all to write out the details, I don't have time to do it". George just gets too obsessed with 'gardening' , I think that was evident in Feast and Dance, some the elaborations there were ok to read, but if he had cut them down by a half I would have still been entertained just the same way. By the by, I read those sequels to Dune by Herbert , or at least tried to, they were awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:21:45 GMT
• He wants to be able to write things other than just ASOIAF. So after it ends he plans on doing other stuff. He brought up Frank Herbert who he said had come to hate Dune by the end because that’s all they wanted from him. So he didn’t want to become Frank Herbert. o He said he has more Dunk and Egg stories to write – says he’s only about a third of the way through their careers. o Also mentioned writing a Targaryen story that he’s got to finish. o Maybe even Yiti, he said jokingly, half-serious. Poor GrrM but him saying he doesn't want to keep writing ASOIAF material for the rest of his life and then naming all of these unfinished Westerosi projects of his, isn't really a good sign.
We might get TWOW in the next few years but any more of that, I'm just going to rely on the show at this point. I'm certainly not going to wait for a decade for new ASOIAF material and I don't think he can afford to either tbh.
This says something: A Game of Thrones: 1996 A Clash of Kings: 1999 A Storm of Swords: 2000 A Feast for Crows: 2005 A Dance with Dragons: 2011 The Winds of Winter: 2016-2017 A Dream of Spring: 2020's |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:24:17 GMT
Poor GrrM but him saying he doesn't want to keep writing ASOIAF material for the rest of his life and then naming all of these unfinished Westerosi projects of his, isn't really a good sign.
We might get TWOW in the next few years but any more of that, I'm just going to rely on the show at this point. I'm certainly not going to wait for a decade for new ASOIAF material and I don't think he can afford to either tbh.
This says something: A Game of Thrones: 1996 A Clash of Kings: 1999 A Storm of Swords: 2000 A Feast for Crows: 2005 A Dance with Dragons: 2011 The Winds of Winter: 2016-2017 A Dream of Spring: 2020's Yes it does and myself and most of the world would rather wait for s7 in 2017 than ADOS in 20__. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:26:21 GMT
This says something: A Game of Thrones: 1996 A Clash of Kings: 1999 A Storm of Swords: 2000 A Feast for Crows: 2005 A Dance with Dragons: 2011 The Winds of Winter: 2016-2017 A Dream of Spring: 2020's Yes it does and myself and most of the world would rather wait for s7 in 2017 than ADOS in 20__. Yeah there are some people, who hate the show in AFOIAF, but even they say that they'd rather watch the ending from TV than wait five+ years for ADoS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:37:09 GMT
Yes it does and myself and most of the world would rather wait for s7 in 2017 than ADOS in 20__. Yeah there are some people, who hate the show in AFOIAF, but even they say that they'd rather watch the ending from TV than wait five+ years for ADoS. Yep. And after s7, I doubt I'll put much energy into ADOS anticipation or speculation. I'm sure I'll read it at some point (if it comes out) but at this point, I'll be happy just with s7 tbh. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 12:07:28 GMT
I say what I'm about to say with the outmost respect for GRRM. After all, he brought us this story we all love and without him there wouldn't be the books, the show or this forum for that matter. Furthermore, I do agree with Neil Gaiman that GRRM is not our bitch. But as a fan, I can still say that I wanted him to succeed and unfortunately, it has been apparent for quite some time now that he won't. The show will spoil the ending. That's a fact. It is also a fact that GRRM had more than enough time to finish his magnum opus. But he didn't and this saddens me. I don't understand why he let this happen. It's none of my business what GRRM chooses to do with his time, but maybe he should have concentrated harder on finishing this saga, instead of writing and doing a million other things. Alas, it is what is is and we can't change it. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but I don't count on him finishing this. Therefore, I'm glad that the show exists. I don't always like D&D's choices, but at this point I'm happy that at least I will get an ending from them. It would be cool if GRRM wrote some episodes for the final season/was heavily involved in its production. So at least he would get to tell the ending of his story in some way. |
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Post by boojam on Jul 3, 2015 12:12:38 GMT
Yeah there are some people, who hate the show in AFOIAF, but even they say that they'd rather watch the ending from TV than wait five+ years for ADoS. Yep. And after s7, I doubt I'll put much energy into ADOS anticipation or speculation. I'm sure I'll read it at some point (if it comes out) but at this point, I'll be happy just with s7 tbh. I get the impression that George may be a little exasperated at the corner he has painted himself into with ASoIaF. I think he never expected to find a visual medium for the series and so began to indulge himself with Feast and Dance. Then only then , just before season 4, he panics that he might not get Winds out before season 6. I think at this point GRRM will get Winds out, but is willing to let Dream slide forever! He may not even write it! He says he is finished with co-authors , but he has several who could do a fine job finishing the series , will have to see. |
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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2015 13:09:19 GMT
I say what I'm about to say with the outmost respect for GRRM. After all, he brought us this story we all love and without him there wouldn't be the books, the show or this forum for that matter. Furthermore, I do agree with Neil Gaiman that GRRM is not our bitch. But as a fan, I can still say that I wanted him to succeed and unfortunately, it has been apparent for quite some time now that he won't. The show will spoil the ending. That's a fact. It is also a fact that GRRM had more than enough time to finish his magnum opus. But he didn't and this saddens me. I don't understand why he let this happen. It's none of my business what GRRM chooses to do with his time, but maybe he should have concentrated harder on finishing this saga, instead of writing and doing a million other things. Alas, it is what is is and we can't change it. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but I don't count on him finishing this. Therefore, I'm glad that the show exists. I don't always like D&D's choices, but at this point I'm happy that at least I will get an ending from them. It would be cool if GRRM wrote some episodes for the final season/was heavily involved in its production. So at least he would get to tell the ending of his story in some way. This season made me realize more than ever I'd rather wait 10 or 15 or 20 years and get a proper version of the show instead of getting simplified, derailed series we are getting now. And hell, I'm not even that big fan of the books. I read them, I like Cat. That's the extent of it. The show used to be great but now....I really rather they waited longer for more material to be available from Martin himself not the Bad Puussy team |
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Post by Basil on Jul 3, 2015 13:54:35 GMT
I say what I'm about to say with the outmost respect for GRRM. After all, he brought us this story we all love and without him there wouldn't be the books, the show or this forum for that matter. Furthermore, I do agree with Neil Gaiman that GRRM is not our bitch. But as a fan, I can still say that I wanted him to succeed and unfortunately, it has been apparent for quite some time now that he won't. The show will spoil the ending. That's a fact. It is also a fact that GRRM had more than enough time to finish his magnum opus. But he didn't and this saddens me. I don't understand why he let this happen. It's none of my business what GRRM chooses to do with his time, but maybe he should have concentrated harder on finishing this saga, instead of writing and doing a million other things. Alas, it is what is is and we can't change it. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but I don't count on him finishing this. Therefore, I'm glad that the show exists. I don't always like D&D's choices, but at this point I'm happy that at least I will get an ending from them. It would be cool if GRRM wrote some episodes for the final season/was heavily involved in its production. So at least he would get to tell the ending of his story in some way. I can see your point, but to me, the show (or rather, parts of Season 4 and pretty much the entirety of Season 5) feels too simplified and just too off, which kinda prevents me from fully enjoying it like I used to, let alone be happy about the fact, that it will give us an ending to the story. What counts most for me in any given story is not the ending, but the journey that takes us there. And the thing is - in my opinion, D&D have really butchered some (if not most) of the characters and their individual storylines. I watch the show because it is entertaining as hell and just overall great television. But it is in no way capable of replacing these books that I love so much. If I come across as an annoying and whining book snob sometimes, I'm genuinely sorry. This series of books is literally one of my favourite things in the world, and every time the show deviates too much or gets rid of a storyline or a character that I love, I feel a pain that is almost physical. I'm actually fairly optimistic that George will be able to finish the series. If we assume, that Winds of Winter is almost done and will be released in 2016, 2017 at the latest, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to finish A Dream of Spring by around 2020. I mean, yeah, we are all mortal and so is George, but let's just stay positive and not think about that ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 13:58:51 GMT
I say what I'm about to say with the outmost respect for GRRM. After all, he brought us this story we all love and without him there wouldn't be the books, the show or this forum for that matter. Furthermore, I do agree with Neil Gaiman that GRRM is not our bitch. But as a fan, I can still say that I wanted him to succeed and unfortunately, it has been apparent for quite some time now that he won't. The show will spoil the ending. That's a fact. It is also a fact that GRRM had more than enough time to finish his magnum opus. But he didn't and this saddens me. I don't understand why he let this happen. It's none of my business what GRRM chooses to do with his time, but maybe he should have concentrated harder on finishing this saga, instead of writing and doing a million other things. Alas, it is what is is and we can't change it. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but I don't count on him finishing this. Therefore, I'm glad that the show exists. I don't always like D&D's choices, but at this point I'm happy that at least I will get an ending from them. It would be cool if GRRM wrote some episodes for the final season/was heavily involved in its production. So at least he would get to tell the ending of his story in some way. This season made me realize more than ever I'd rather wait 10 or 15 or 20 years and get a proper version of the show instead of getting simplified, derailed series we are getting now. And hell, I'm not even that big fan of the books. I read them, I like Cat. That's the extent of it. The show used to be great but now....I really rather they waited longer for more material to be available from Martin himself not the Bad Puussy team As I said, I don't agree with every decision D&D make, but I still think that the show is doing a fine job for the most parts. Season 5 is underrated IMO. Cersei is a much more morally-ambiguous character than in the books. Book!Cersei is a straight-up villain and sometimes even cartoonish. Arya's arc was fascinating and didn't lack any direction like in the books. The addition of Hardhome was spectacular and through it, the show established The Others as a huge threat in 20 minutes. Something the books have failed to do so far. The season even made me care about Meereen, which I found dead boring in the books. And don't get me started on the endless travelogues (Tyrion, Sam, Brienne). I don't want to read the phrase "where do whores go" ever again. Yes, the show has some simplifications (Stannis, particularly in 5x09), but most things were streamlined rather than simplified. The story became more focused and in many parts better because of it, IMO. Also, I think it is a bit unfair to take 2 seconds of meaningless, silly and humourous dialogue ("bad pussy") between two secondary/tertiary characters and deduce from that that the overall quality has suffered. There were some great monologues and dialogues in this season, like there have been in every season so far. GRRM is a good writer, but AFFC and ADWD are far from being great. I thought Season 5 was surprisingly good considering that it was an adaptation of these books. But yeah, I, of course, respect your opinion and I hope that Season 6 will be more to your liking.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 14:18:11 GMT
I say what I'm about to say with the outmost respect for GRRM. After all, he brought us this story we all love and without him there wouldn't be the books, the show or this forum for that matter. Furthermore, I do agree with Neil Gaiman that GRRM is not our bitch. But as a fan, I can still say that I wanted him to succeed and unfortunately, it has been apparent for quite some time now that he won't. The show will spoil the ending. That's a fact. It is also a fact that GRRM had more than enough time to finish his magnum opus. But he didn't and this saddens me. I don't understand why he let this happen. It's none of my business what GRRM chooses to do with his time, but maybe he should have concentrated harder on finishing this saga, instead of writing and doing a million other things. Alas, it is what is is and we can't change it. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here, but I don't count on him finishing this. Therefore, I'm glad that the show exists. I don't always like D&D's choices, but at this point I'm happy that at least I will get an ending from them. It would be cool if GRRM wrote some episodes for the final season/was heavily involved in its production. So at least he would get to tell the ending of his story in some way. I can see your point, but to me, the show (or rather, parts of Season 4 and pretty much the entirety of Season 5) feels too simplified and just too off, which kinda prevents me from fully enjoying it like I used to, let alone be happy about the fact, that it will give us an ending to the story. What counts most for me in any given story is not the ending, but the journey that takes us there. And the thing is - in my opinion, D&D have really butchered some (if not most) of the characters and their individual storylines. I watch the show because it is entertaining as hell and just overall great television. But it is in no way capable of replacing these books that I love so much. If I come across as an annoying and whining book snob sometimes, I'm genuinely sorry. This series of books is literally one of my favourite things in the world, and every time the show deviates too much or gets rid of a storylines or a character that I love, I feel a pain that is almost physical. I'm actually fairly optimistic that George will be able to finish the series. If we assume, that Winds of Winter is almost done and will be released in 2016, 2017 at the latest, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to finish A Dream of Spring by around 2020. I mean, yeah, we are all mortal and so is George, but let's just stay positive and not think about that ... You ninja'd me, but some things I replied to sati in my last post also fit here.  It's strange, I can totally see what you mean by Season 4 feeling a bit off. I felt the same when it aired and while I still enjoyed a lot of things, I think it's one of the weaker seasons. But Season 5 suprised me in a good way as I said in my last post. There were only three things I didn't like: 1.) Stannis in 5x09. They oversimplified his motivations. It should have been clearer as to why exactly he felt the need to burn his daughter. I didn't mind how they ended his story in 5x10, though. 2.) The omission of LSH. But this is a general show problem and not a Season 5 problem. 3.) Dorne. I don't need to give reasons for this. But still, there was so little screentime dedicated to Dorne, that I just shrugged it off. It was bad, yes, but it was too meaningless to really offend me. Disregarding these three things, I really enjoyed the season. I had far more problems with the seasons 2 and 4. And about GRRM... I'm not pessimistic, because of his age and health. I'm pessimistic, because I truly believe that he has lost interest. He is clearly ready to move on, but can't, because he still has to finish this. But the lack of motivation is causing the delay. I don't see this improving after the show has finished.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 18:58:46 GMT
This season made me realize more than ever I'd rather wait 10 or 15 or 20 years and get a proper version of the show instead of getting simplified, derailed series we are getting now. And hell, I'm not even that big fan of the books. I read them, I like Cat. That's the extent of it. The show used to be great but now....I really rather they waited longer for more material to be available from Martin himself not the Bad Puussy teamActually GrrM said at SDCC last year that they're very important in TWOW. So there's that. Also though, a production like this can't be delayed a year on the off-chance that GrrM actually writes a bit of his next book in time for them. They have to keep moving and working with the material he's told them about, especially now that it's apparent that they'll be the ones to "make an end" (to quote the RW) and not him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 19:00:18 GMT
This season made me realize more than ever I'd rather wait 10 or 15 or 20 years and get a proper version of the show instead of getting simplified, derailed series we are getting now. And hell, I'm not even that big fan of the books. I read them, I like Cat. That's the extent of it. The show used to be great but now....I really rather they waited longer for more material to be available from Martin himself not the Bad Puussy teamActually GrrM said at SDCC last year that they're very important in TWOW. That's great news. Love me some Tyene and the Snakes. |
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Post by Basil on Jul 3, 2015 19:11:36 GMT
Actually GrrM said at SDCC last year that they're very important in TWOW. That's great news. Love me some Tyene and the Snakes. There is only one Snake I'll ever love and it is this one:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 19:14:58 GMT
But really, GrrM began developing the show with D and D and HBO in 2007. It took four years after that for ADWD to come out and of course we're still waiting on TWOW. I'm sure back in 2007 HBO expected the books to come out much quicker and them not having to worry about beating him to the ending. Now though, GrrM's made his own bed and he's accepted it too.
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