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Post by greatjon on Jun 8, 2015 4:08:56 GMT
This was GRRM's idea no more than the Cersei/Jaime sex next to Joffrey scene was GRRM's idea. Sure, it can be superficially viewed that way if you ignore all context. But in actuality the 2 are not the same at all. Shireen will probably be burned in the books too, but it won't happen in this idiotic way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 4:09:27 GMT
In the Inside the Episode they don't only say that George told them Shireen would be burned, they say that Stannis would be the one to do it. So it will happen in TWOW and it will be him who does it.
Food for thought.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 8, 2015 4:15:40 GMT
That was the most horrible thing I've ever seen on TV. First time I considered dropping the show, and I mean it. I could take Sansa's rape, Oberyn's head exploding and the RW. But Shireen's screams, ugh. Now I am actually rooting for the Boltons. And I used to be Team Stannis. It's weird because I feel like dropping the show, but I still can't really hate Stannis, no matter how hard I try. I only hate D&D now, while still giving GRRM the benefit of the doubt. I really don't think Stannis will be the one to give the order to burn Shireen in the books. They should've made Mel and Selyse do it behind his back. It would even be more epic and tragic, making Stannis kill Mel and Selyse for doing it against his orders, but still giving him the reward of a better weather. Ugh, why did they have to derail the Stannis the Mannis hype train like this?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 4:18:41 GMT
That was the most horrible thing I've ever seen on TV. First time I considered dropping the show, and I mean it. I could take Sansa's rape, Oberyn's head exploding and the RW. But Shireen's screams, ugh. Now I am actually rooting for the Boltons. And I used to be Team Stannis. It's weird because I feel like dropping the show, but I still can't really hate Stannis, no matter how hard I try. I only hate D&D now, while still giving GRRM the benefit of the doubt. I really don't think Stannis will be the one to give the order to burn Shireen in the books. They should've made Mel and Selyse do it behind his back. It would even be more epic and tragic, making Stannis kill Mel and Selyse for doing it against his orders, but still giving him the reward of a better weather. Ugh, why did they have to derail the Stannis the Mannis hype train like this? He couldn't kill Mel though. She still has much to do. She's a much more important character. |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 8, 2015 4:19:46 GMT
I raged. Fuck you, Stannis, you fucking lunatic. So, you looked devastated while you watched your lovely little girl scream to death in the flames? Fuck you, you fucking lunatic asshole. DIE. I'm having serious problems figuring out what to do about my avatar right now. Is that Pirate Grumpy Bear? |
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Post by greatjon on Jun 8, 2015 4:21:39 GMT
They said nothing about Stannis being the one to do it. "When GRRM told us about this" is not in any way specific enough to deduce that.
I'm not saying Stannis definitely won't have anything to do with it, but you certainly can't be sure he does based on snippet by Benioff.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 8, 2015 4:25:07 GMT
It's weird because I feel like dropping the show, but I still can't really hate Stannis, no matter how hard I try. I only hate D&D now, while still giving GRRM the benefit of the doubt. I really don't think Stannis will be the one to give the order to burn Shireen in the books. They should've made Mel and Selyse do it behind his back. It would even be more epic and tragic, making Stannis kill Mel and Selyse for doing it against his orders, but still giving him the reward of a better weather. Ugh, why did they have to derail the Stannis the Mannis hype train like this? He couldn't kill Mel though. She still has much to do. She's a much more important character. I feel the same. She's definitely a villain in the show, though. Roose and Ramsay level, I'd say |
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 8, 2015 4:27:10 GMT
He couldn't kill Mel though. She still has much to do. She's a much more important character. I feel the same. She's definitely a villain in the show, though. Roose and Ramsay level, I'd say Yeah, the way she smiled after Shireen stopped screaming...  |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 8, 2015 4:28:44 GMT
I feel the same. She's definitely a villain in the show, though. Roose and Ramsay level, I'd say Yeah, the way she smiled after Shireen stopped screaming... Ugh, she is horrible. She may take Ramsay's spot for most hated chatacter by the audience actually. If not, she definitely rose to second place |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 8, 2015 4:31:45 GMT
In the Inside the Episode they don't only say that George told them Shireen would be burned, they say that Stannis would be the one to do it. So it will happen in TWOW and it will be him who does it. Food for thought. It's unclear what was said and what was not said. D&D also tend to jump between book/show universe during the Inside the Episode segments. When they talked about the Stonemen they only referenced how they lived in Valyria, etc, and how they fit into the world with the ruins. I'm not saying GRRM didn't say Stannis does it, but it's not clear what portions of the interview are David and Dan's thoughts and direction what what the "this" was that George talked about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 4:47:10 GMT
In the Inside the Episode they don't only say that George told them Shireen would be burned, they say that Stannis would be the one to do it. So it will happen in TWOW and it will be him who does it. Food for thought. It's unclear what was said and what was not said. D&D also tend to jump between book/show universe during the Inside the Episode segments. When they talked about the Stonemen they only referenced how they lived in Valyria, etc, and how they fit into the world with the ruins. I'm not saying GRRM didn't say Stannis does it, but it's not clear what portions of the interview are David and Dan's thoughts and direction what what the "this" was that George talked about. I really do expect some input from GRRM tomorrow. I know he usually does his required 'the book is the book the show is the show', routine. But if in his story Stannis did not do this to Shireen, I'd think he'd have to speak up, one way or another. The shitstorm is going to be enormous. And just speaking for me personally, I'd be shocked if GRRM did this, this way. It made me sick. |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 8, 2015 4:54:12 GMT
It's unclear what was said and what was not said. D&D also tend to jump between book/show universe during the Inside the Episode segments. When they talked about the Stonemen they only referenced how they lived in Valyria, etc, and how they fit into the world with the ruins. I'm not saying GRRM didn't say Stannis does it, but it's not clear what portions of the interview are David and Dan's thoughts and direction what what the "this" was that George talked about. I really do expect some input from GRRM tomorrow. I know he usually does his required 'the book is the book the show is the show', routine. But if in his story Stannis did not do this to Shireen, I'd think he'd have to speak up, one way or another. The shitstorm is going to be enormous. And just speaking for me personally, I'd be shocked if GRRM did this, this way. It made me sick. Honestly, from what I've seen, I doubt that it will. Definitely not on the level of Sansa...probably because, even in the books, people are expecting her to be sacrificed at some point. So no, I don't expect him to chime in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 4:57:39 GMT
I really do expect some input from GRRM tomorrow. I know he usually does his required 'the book is the book the show is the show', routine. But if in his story Stannis did not do this to Shireen, I'd think he'd have to speak up, one way or another. The shitstorm is going to be enormous. And just speaking for me personally, I'd be shocked if GRRM did this, this way. It made me sick. Honestly, from what I've seen, I doubt that it will. Definitely not on the level of Sansa...probably because, even in the books, people are expecting her to be sacrificed at some point. So no, I don't expect him to chime in. There won't be social-justice-through-social-media types chiming in about this, that's for sure. But the "Stannis the Mannis" crowd is pretty vocal, so it's plausible that GrrM will say a word or two at some point in the week once they annoy him adequately on his Notablog about it and he wants them to calm down. |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 8, 2015 5:00:46 GMT
Honestly, from what I've seen, I doubt that it will. Definitely not on the level of Sansa...probably because, even in the books, people are expecting her to be sacrificed at some point. So no, I don't expect him to chime in. There won't be social-justice-through-social-media types chiming in about this, that's for sure. But the "Stannis the Mannis" crowd is pretty vocal, so it's plausible that GrrM will say a word or two at some point in the week once they annoy him adequately on his Notablog about it and he wants them to calm down. Or he'll just shut the conversation down again and send people to the appropriate places to talk about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 5:01:36 GMT
There won't be social-justice-through-social-media types chiming in about this, that's for sure. But the "Stannis the Mannis" crowd is pretty vocal, so it's plausible that GrrM will say a word or two at some point in the week once they annoy him adequately on his Notablog about it and he wants them to calm down. Or he'll just shut the conversation down again and send people to the appropriate places to talk about it. That too. I don't expect him to say much substantive. Particularly about how much of a TWOW spoiler it possibly is. |
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Post by greatjon on Jun 8, 2015 6:02:43 GMT
He won't say anything substantive, and I don't expect him to. I don't think he's obligated to reveals plot points from his unpublished work in progress just because people are upset. Eventually when the books are published people can just find out the truth for themselves.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 8, 2015 6:05:48 GMT
Yet D&D outright spoiled a scene from his books, with the interview. I mean we could imagine Shireen lives there, but not anymore
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 6:11:01 GMT
I honestly don't know what's worse: Feeling heartbroken that Shireen, a perfect innocent was killed in such a horrible way, or knowing that GRRM actually did write it into the book and the show got first dibs on that horror. I feel violated. I also don't know what's worse, the tears I cried for Shireen in absolute horror or the tears I cried in happiness seeing Drogon fly in to rescue Daenerys. One should not feel such massive swings of emotion like that in less than an hour without needing medication. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 6:13:59 GMT
Yet D&D outright spoiled a scene from his books, with the interview. I mean we could imagine Shireen lives there, but not anymore Well, it's not as though 510, s6 and s7 won't spoil a ton more... |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jun 8, 2015 6:18:52 GMT
Yet D&D outright spoiled a scene from his books, with the interview. I mean we could imagine Shireen lives there, but not anymore Well, it's not as though 510, s6 and s7 won't spoil a ton more... Yes but if they list what came from the books and what didn't, it will be much worse. It will be specific spoiling, not just in general |
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