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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 14:33:22 GMT
I rated it a 6, I feel I am being very generous. The Shireen stuff aside, it really was not that great of an episode. PROS: Emila acts well with CGI Iain Glen is one of the most underrated actors on this show So is Liam Cunningham who does so much with so little screen time Kerry Ingram was the best young actress on this show, last night's episode, she broke my heart Tyrion comments at Daznak's Pit to Hizdhar about killing/too much death/you'd get along great with my father. Dinklage was good in that scene. Alistar to Jon, "You have a big heart. You'll get us killed." Best scene: Ellaria pouring the wine on the floor when toasting to Tommen. Indira Varma was great in that scene. I liked the scene where she has to kneel to Doran. Well done by both her and Alexander. CONS: I cannot get behind the plot choice for Stannis at all. Don't care what D&D say or that GRRM does it in the next book. It was out of character for show Stannis. The CGI for Daznak's Pit took me out of the scene.Unfortunately, Emilia doesn't act as well against people as she does CGI I think the Wall should have sat this one out, Jon and company being let back in probably should have been closing last week's episode. Dorne has been a waste of time. I am going to call Olly ACME Anvil. The foreshadowing is too heavy with this one. Neutral: Doran sending Trystane to KL with Myrcella seems like a dumb idea right now, I wouldn't trust anyone in KL if I am him. I like the House of Black and White stuff, just didn't have enough screen time for me to get into it. Eh....that scene was made for CGI... |
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Post by Quoth on Jun 8, 2015 14:44:04 GMT
I gave it an 8. Loved most of it. Shireen's burning was tough to stomach and unexpected. The fight at the fighting pit was outstanding and then Drogon arriving and joining in was the cherry on top. I was worried that they wouldn't let Jon and his new buddies back through the wall.  Arya going off script and trailing Trant was cool. But other parts of it fell flat. Except for Bronn (YAY!) all the Dorne scenes were "meh". |
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Post by breakfest on Jun 8, 2015 16:20:16 GMT
Something small I liked, no idea if this is purposeful but it's certainly symbolic, is that I couldn't tell the difference between Night's Watch and Wildlings when they're caked in so much snow. Which I guess is the whole point, when winter comes for the realm everyone will be consumed alike (hey, like the Doom) no matter their colours or their allegiences.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 8, 2015 17:07:06 GMT
Initially upon only watching the Shireen scene I gave it a 7. After watching the whole episode, I gave it a 9. I see now that it was not a decision that came out of nowhere for Stannis, as in his first scene, he gives that look to Selyse and Mel, and later you can see him contemplating it before he sends Davos off.
+Daznak - everything was incredible, better than I could have imagined and it made the episode for me
+The performances of Dillane, Cunningham and Ingram were fantastic, even if I didn't fully appreciate the context
+The twist that Hizdahr actually wasn't the Harpy was good, it makes it less cliché (and predictable)
+Daario was enjoyable, especially when he lost his bet
+Emilia actually performed much better than in previous episodes (where I've not had much of a problem honestly) - her little comment to Hiz and, oh just everything
-Olly has no subtlety to him, whatsoever, I much preferred the looks from Yarwyck and Marsh, which was enough
I've thought about the Shireen situation for a fair few hours, and while I don't think I can completely forgive Stannis, I have seen it more clearly now so I can move past it.
Dorne wasn't bad, but neither was it very good. It seems ... odd that they left it so amicably, and that Sand Snake slapping game served no purpose at all.
All in all, it's a 9 from me!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:13:59 GMT
I watched a bunch of video reviews and reactions last night late and one thing that several people said, and I felt the same way but couldn't articulate it well enough after my first watch through:
The transition from that horrific scene with Shireen screaming and bleak winter, to the cheering crowds of the colosseum in Meereen was very jarring and they wished there had been some sort of dialogue or something slow so people had time to process that for a minute before moving on.
I agree.
I'm quite certain the show producers did that intentionally for effect but honestly, I think it ruined the first few minutes of Daznak's because I was reeling and needed to calm down. Anyone else felt that way? It's a pretty difficult way to transition and painful so it made me feel negative overall instead of upbeat ... at least until Drogon arrived.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:16:35 GMT
I watched a bunch of video reviews and reactions last night late and one thing that several people said, and I felt the same way but couldn't articulate it well enough after my first watch through: The transition from that horrific scene with Shireen screaming and bleak winter, to the cheering crowds of the colosseum in Meereen was very jarring and they wished there had been some sort of dialogue or something slow so people had time to process that for a minute before moving on. I agree. I'm quite certain the show producers did that intentionally for effect but honestly, I think it ruined the first few minutes of Daznak's because I was reeling and needed to calm down. Anyone else felt that way? It's a pretty difficult way to transition and painful so it made me feel negative overall instead of upbeat ... at least until Drogon arrived. Honestly, I think this is the reason I thought Daznak was good not great, the first time I watched it. What preceded it, even though I knew about it, threw me off. The more I re-watch it, the more I like it because I'm not hearing Shireen burn right before it begins. |
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Post by breakfest on Jun 8, 2015 17:25:42 GMT
Yeah I do agree with you guys, it took a bit of time to compose myself and that definitely took away from the start of the scene. I just don't really know how they could have improved it. Both were a climax to an arc in many ways, either could have ended the episode but Daznak HAD to end the episode - any scene placed in between could have taken away from the burning. Even an ad break or something would have helped!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:31:08 GMT
Dany flying had to end the episode. Maybe they could have put Arya's scene after Shireen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:34:23 GMT
I think no matter which scene came first there was going to be insane mood whiplash, but I don't know how they could avoid it. If the Shireen scene came last than Daznak's would have been forgotten about entirely I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:34:39 GMT
Glad you guys agreed and yeah @jackbauer24 I think that's the first time I've ever needed a commercial break to get up and pace around for a few minutes and calm down, shake it off before watching the action-packed and amazing Daznak stuff.
If I rewatch the Daznak end sequence without the rest of the episode it's a much more wonderful thing and an easy 10/10.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:50:01 GMT
It would have made more sense mood-wise to have Shireen's burning and Hardhome in the same episode. Nothing could completely kill my Drogon buzz, but it definitely was a steep climb from just shocked horror and her screams still running up my spine...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 18:53:40 GMT
Moral of the episode
if you like anyone other than Dany, D&D will fuck you over
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 19:20:01 GMT
Moral of the episode if you like anyone other than Dany, D&D will fuck you over Trystane? Setting him up to be a major player. |
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Post by Enid on Jun 8, 2015 19:23:20 GMT
We still have Jon, Arya, Sansa, Bran if he is ever seen again and Brienne.
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2015 19:36:05 GMT
Moral of the episode if you like anyone other than Dany, D&D will fuck you over Trystane? Setting him up to be a major player. He can't even punch a person by himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 19:36:41 GMT
Trystane? Setting him up to be a major player. He can't even punch a person by himself. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 20:49:10 GMT
Gooood episode. The attack on Stannis's camp seemed a bit too easy for Ramsay. Not a single sword was raised at him before they had vanished. Sad really. Davos can sense that something is wrong, but reluctantly leaves on this joke of a quest. His scene with Shireen was so cute, but so so so sad when I knew what was coming. Saying farewell to an old friend. Dorne was better than I expected, but still a bit sloppy. Sand Snakes are still dreadful as fuck. Especially Obara, I hate her more than Mel, Ramsay and Joffrey combined. Why? Because of that horrible grumpy face that nobody pulls 24/7. Sending Trystane to KL is quite a dangerous and a goofy move from Doran. Not something you would expect from him. Ellaria's mood swings didn't really convince me. Arya scenes were great. Killing Trant is even more justified now. Can't wait for that in the finale. The burning of Shireen.. I have talked about this topic so much now that I won't flood this thread with much of it. Even though horrible, it was well made. Every actor absolutely nailed it, from Stephen to random extras. The scene was so tragic and emotional. Daznak didn't really reach it's potential, but it was still a nice scene. The previous scene (Shireen burning) really effected me during this scene, so it kinda ruined it. They should have thought about the order of things. Fighting choreography felt a bit off, but otherwise the scene was quite solid. I'm going to give it a 8. Well paced, but horrible in a way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 21:09:18 GMT
Gooood episode. The attack on Stannis's camp seemed a bit too easy for Ramsay. Not a single sword was raised at him before they had vanished. Sad really. Davos can sense that something is wrong, but reluctantly leaves on this joke of a quest. His scene with Shireen was so cute, but so so so sad when I knew what was coming. Saying farewell to an old friend. Dorne was better than I expected, but still a bit sloppy. Sand Snakes are still dreadful as fuck. Especially Obara, I hate her more than Mel, Ramsay and Joffrey combined. Why? Because of that horrible grumpy face that nobody pulls 24/7. Sending Trystane to KL is quite a dangerous and a goofy move from Doran. Not something you would expect from him. Ellaria's mood swings didn't really convince me. Arya scenes were great. Killing Trant is even more justified now. Can't wait for that in the finale. The burning of Shireen.. I have talked about this topic so much now that I won't flood this thread with much of it. Even though horrible, it was well made. Every actor absolutely nailed it, from Stephen to random extras. The scene was so tragic and emotional. Daznak didn't really reach it's potential, but it was still a nice scene. The previous scene (Shireen burning) really effected me during this scene, so it kinda ruined it. They should have thought about the order of things. Fighting choreography felt a bit off, but otherwise the scene was quite solid. I'm going to give it a 8. Well paced, but horrible in a way. Everything I want to say exept I hate Tyene even more.  |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 8, 2015 21:16:12 GMT
I think no matter which scene came first there was going to be insane mood whiplash, but I don't know how they could avoid it. If the Shireen scene came last than Daznak's would have been forgotten about entirely I think. This. There's no natural segway from that scene. And as harsh as it was to transition from that into Daznak's, I'm glad they didn't end the episode on Shireen's sacrifice, because that would have been awful. People need something to cheer for after that. |
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 8, 2015 21:18:11 GMT
Moral of the episode if you like anyone other than Dany, D&D Martin will fuck you over FTFY XD |
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Arya going off script and trailing Trant was cool. But other parts of it fell flat. Except for Bronn (YAY!) all the Dorne scenes were "meh". 
