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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 5:04:51 GMT
After the rewatch I'd bump my rating up a notch from what I voted. I think maybe the shock of seeing Shireen is not as intense and overwhelming as it was the first watch. I did think Daznak's pit was awesome, and I must say those Sons of the Harpy are some mean sons-a-bitches! Drogon was super! And I liked Dorne except for the stupid silly hand slapping 'game' and the part where Bronn got knocked silly.
I think having Marcella and Tristane in KL will be a welcome, and interesting, change, and I'm so glad Tyrion is in Meereen. Also so very glad that Tyrion has now seen a dragon up close. Love it.
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Post by sj4iy on Jun 8, 2015 5:08:10 GMT
I'd say a nine for now though that may change after another rewatch. It was much more of a piece-mover episode than I thought it would've been, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I was surprised with it being an ep. nine and all. I thought there'd be more climax in Dorne and Braavos and we'd have the falling action in ep. 510 but it looks like they've saved those storylines big moments for last too. So I guess the finale's the gut-punch episode this year. I think those Dorne and Braavos scenes would've probably worked better earlier in the season tbh. But still, they worked quite fine here. Daznak's and Stan's storyline were standouts though. Very well-done. Seems like Arya won't go blind and her arc will close with her offing Trant. Or she could off Trant and the Kindly Man will blind her as punishment for a cliffhanger.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 5:12:03 GMT
Forgot, two other things I got from the rewatch.
(1) Stannis is imprisoning, then executing the guards on duty the night Ramsay set the camp on fire. Is this common practice or another instance of his becoming more Hitleresque?
(2) Wondered this on 1st watch, too . . . doesn't it look like it's being set up for Arya to be the 'young one' for Meryn the next night? That's more like the way it happened in the Mercy chapter from TWOW. Dunno. May be a wild idea, but it jumped out at me in both watches.
ETA: Re sj4iy above, Kindly Man is definitely on to Arya/Lhana.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 5:13:53 GMT
Not gonna lie - I bawled all the way through Shireen's death and then bawled again (in happiness) the minute Drogon burst into the air over the stadium in a ball of flame. That, his circling, landing, taking out a harpy by the head, flaming the rest - all great CGI. The flight was not so good CGI but I knew they could only do so much with that - it's one of the toughest things to do on film even in the movies which is why you rarely see a live actor in that sort of CGI work. Here's my tally: + Davos heartfelt moment with Shireen + Doran and Dorne scenes were actually better than I expected. Ellaria's faking - just my bet. + Arya scene better than I was fearing since she didn't actually poison him and leave like spoilers suggested. + Jorah gladiator fighting was well done, well choreographed. + Dany accepting Jorah's hand in help/protection. Fuck you Daario. + Drogon arrival, landing, fighting all superbly done. +|- Jon and Wildlings return to the wall was decent if a bit less than I'd hoped for in dialogue about what happened... +|- Ambivalent about Selyse last minute attempt to save Shireen. Mostly lame. +|- Dany's actual flight footage - meh ... at least make her hair fly a little more to give the feeling of fast movement? - points off for that awkward shit with Daario and Hizdahr, wtf is this Mean Girls Essos style? - Fuck Olly and his -|- Fuck Obara Sand and her -|-|- Fuck Stannis and his black heart I hope he rots in the ice with his red witch. :poop: If the Daznak scenes hadn't gone overall better than I expected, I'd have rated this much lower considering it was a ninth episode and we just came down off a crazy high from Hardhome. 8/10
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 8, 2015 5:16:56 GMT
Forgot, two other things I got from the rewatch. (1) Stannis is imprisoning, then executing the guards on duty the night Ramsay set the camp on fire. Is this common practice or another instance of his becoming more Hitleresque? (2) wondered this on 1st watch, too . . . doesn't it look like it's being set up for Arya to be the 'young one' for Meryn the next night? That's more like the way it happened in the Mercy chapter from TWOW. Dunno. May be a wild idea, but it jumped out at me in both watches. 1. Well St Robb had the Karstark men (including the ones who protested they weren't part of the prisoner raid) executed so I think it's within the guidelines of a war camp protocol. 2. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happens. The only question is whether she'll disguise herself or not for the dirty deed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 5:29:34 GMT
Forgot, two other things I got from the rewatch. (1) Stannis is imprisoning, then executing the guards on duty the night Ramsay set the camp on fire. Is this common practice or another instance of his becoming more Hitleresque? (2) wondered this on 1st watch, too . . . doesn't it look like it's being set up for Arya to be the 'young one' for Meryn the next night? That's more like the way it happened in the Mercy chapter from TWOW. Dunno. May be a wild idea, but it jumped out at me in both watches. 1. Well St Robb had the Karstark men (including the ones who protested they weren't part of the prisoner raid) executed so I think it's within the guidelines of a war camp protocol. 2. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happens. The only question is whether she'll disguise herself or not for the dirty deed. How will she get Needle in?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 5:32:40 GMT
Forgot, two other things I got from the rewatch. (1) Stannis is imprisoning, then executing the guards on duty the night Ramsay set the camp on fire. Is this common practice or another instance of his becoming more Hitleresque? (2) wondered this on 1st watch, too . . . doesn't it look like it's being set up for Arya to be the 'young one' for Meryn the next night? That's more like the way it happened in the Mercy chapter from TWOW. Dunno. May be a wild idea, but it jumped out at me in both watches. 1. Well St Robb had the Karstark men (including the ones who protested they weren't part of the prisoner raid) executed so I think it's within the guidelines of a war camp protocol. 2. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happens. The only question is whether she'll disguise herself or not for the dirty deed. 1. Now that you say that, I do remember that event from the books (or maybe it was the first gift chapter we got from TWOW), and also that he had Theon hanging from the wall. Now it's coming back to me why I never liked Stannis in the books. Fog clearing now. 2. He's been looking at her intently every time he's seen her, trying to determine who she is. So I think it's gonna have to be a disguise. Wonder how Arya will make her get-away after she offs him. Edited for correction: disguise, not surprise (!) damn auto correct
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 7:14:50 GMT
This episode quite frankly shows some problems the show has had for a while. They often have characters do and say one thing and then suddenly do the exact opposite without making it plausible. They did it to Stannis and Ellaria here. I cannot overlook that. I also thought that Daznak's was a little bit disappointing although still good enough. I just wished for better CGI. Oddly enough I liked Braavos best this week, even if there was no resolution to that part of the story yet. All in all, I give this episode a generous 7. I might go lower or higher, depending on the follow-up of team Dragonstone's and Dorne's storyline. Sometimes scenes make much more or much less sense in hindsight.
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Post by freypies on Jun 8, 2015 7:58:10 GMT
Ok, that was way better than it seemed from the summary. The summary had me really worried. Easy 10.
I know I may be flamed for saying this here, but the Shireen scene was my favourite moment. I have always admired GoT, but never before have I felt that pit in my stomach that I felt for this scene. It was really, really heartbreaking, and very well executed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 9:09:12 GMT
After a bit of sleep, I rated an 8,5, but I'll rewatch and see where I lean towards after that. Not because of the Shireen scene, I'd give it an 8 without it. Everything happening at Stannis camp was tastefully done, the actors were outstanding and it still haunts me if I even think about it. Stannis downfall is coming and I want to see him losing everything he has left for burning his daughter. Davos will leave him, Melisandre will turn to Jon and all he will have left is Selyse, who will probably kill herself.
It just didn't feel like a episode 9 to me besides the shocker moment of Shireen and Daznak. Maybe because Winterfell and KL were missing. But we will see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 9:15:25 GMT
Probably the worst ranking episode 9 out of all the seasons. it was still good but could've been better...
Dorne again bad plot movement there dont understand why it was included if thats all there is for episode 9.
All the other scenes were fantastically acted but wanted more out of Daznak and a few concerns about the show's plot moving forward for several storylines.
7/10
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 8, 2015 11:22:19 GMT
I rated it a 6, I feel I am being very generous.
The Shireen stuff aside, it really was not that great of an episode.
PROS: Emila acts well with CGI Iain Glen is one of the most underrated actors on this show So is Liam Cunningham who does so much with so little screen time Kerry Ingram was the best young actress on this show, last night's episode, she broke my heart Tyrion comments at Daznak's Pit to Hizdhar about killing/too much death/you'd get along great with my father. Dinklage was good in that scene. Alistar to Jon, "You have a big heart. You'll get us killed." Best scene: Ellaria pouring the wine on the floor when toasting to Tommen. Indira Varma was great in that scene. I liked the scene where she has to kneel to Doran. Well done by both her and Alexander. CONS: I cannot get behind the plot choice for Stannis at all. Don't care what D&D say or that GRRM does it in the next book. It was out of character for show Stannis. The CGI for Daznak's Pit took me out of the scene. Unfortunately, Emilia doesn't act as well against people as she does CGI I think the Wall should have sat this one out, Jon and company being let back in probably should have been closing last week's episode. Dorne has been a waste of time. I am going to call Olly ACME Anvil. The foreshadowing is too heavy with this one. Neutral: Doran sending Trystane to KL with Myrcella seems like a dumb idea right now, I wouldn't trust anyone in KL if I am him. I like the House of Black and White stuff, just didn't have enough screen time for me to get into it.
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Post by Enid on Jun 8, 2015 11:35:30 GMT
It was good. Daznak gave me goosebumps.
I was prepared for Shireen's death so it didn't shock me. It may have been different if I hand't been spoiled about it but I was, so my reaction wasn't as emotional as it would have been otherwise. I felt sad because Shireen was innocent and kind and clever, and she didn't deserve to die, but I'm not angry about it.
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2015 12:19:18 GMT
Eh, 8. Daznak was amazing but the narrative structure over the season leading to Shireen's burning was ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 12:23:44 GMT
Eh, 8. Daznak was amazing but the narrative structure over the season leading to Shireen's burning was ridiculous Yeah, last night Drogon was basically a better written character than Stannis.
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2015 12:40:30 GMT
Even Drogon doesn't burn his family
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 13:18:23 GMT
I loved it. It was a 9 for me instead of a 10. I'm not sure if that was because I was spoiled or if Hardhome was just stronger.
I'm genuinely sorry for the Stannis fans who feel cheated. I always saw book and TV Stannis as capable of just this sort of thing, which is why I've never supported him, and so for me it all feels very in keeping with his character. but I like y'all too much to gloat. It was truly horrible to watch. Stephen Dillane gave new meaning to acting in that scene. His eyes were so haunted and changed by his decision he nearly looked like a different person.
The pit scene was great. Drogon's entrance was amazing. The flight was very very good. Though, I must say that after Hardhome, I expected it to be even stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 13:38:40 GMT
I loved it. It was a 9 for me instead of a 10. I'm not sure if that was because I was spoiled or if Hardhome was just stronger. I'm genuinely sorry for the Stannis fans who feel cheated. I always saw book and TV Stannis as capable of just this sort of thing, which is why I've never supported him, and so for me it all feels very in keeping with his character. but I like y'all too much to gloat. It was truly horrible to watch. Stephen Dillane gave new meaning to acting in that scene. His eyes were so haunted and changed by his decision he nearly looked like a different person. The pit scene was great. Drogon's entrance was amazing. The flight was very very good. Though, I must say that after Hardhome, I expected it to be even stronger. I rated it lower than any other episode this season, but on the re-watch I decided I should have rated it one higher. Even so, it's a lower than usual rating for me. With hindsight (and a good night's sleep), I think that (a) being so astounded and absolutely blown out of the water with Hardhome and (b) just having a really hard time recovering from seeing Stannis watch Shireen burn both conspired to impact my rating for this episode. One fantastic, one horrible, but just couldn't shake off either of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 13:55:07 GMT
1. Well St Robb had the Karstark men (including the ones who protested they weren't part of the prisoner raid) executed so I think it's within the guidelines of a war camp protocol. 2. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happens. The only question is whether she'll disguise herself or not for the dirty deed. How will she get Needle in? The old sword stuck straight down the Aladdin-type balloon pants trick? What I don't know is how she will get out and where she will go from there. Back to HBW, I expect, because I don't think she'll expect to be found out. So - maybe that's when she'll be blinded and that will be the cliff-hanger for her arc?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 14:24:00 GMT
Yeah. You might know that yesterday I rated this episode 1, before even seeing it. But now that I have actually seen it, I'll give it a 9. Fuck no. Dorne crap brings it down to 8. Seeing the Shireen scene wasn't as bad as I imagined yesterday. I still root for Stannis. He definetely felt for her.
Pros and cons + Davos is super cool guy and made a stag for Shireen + Wun Wun + Hizdahr wasn't the Harpy. I was surprised the show didn't do it. In the books it is either Shavepate or Green Grace + Stannis + Doran + Overall the Shireen scene was very emotional + Drogon looked amazing + Tyrion's eyes when he saw Drogon up close - Dorne - Stupid slapping game - Trystane and Myrcella - Pedophile Trant - The CGI looked dumb when Dany was riding Drogon - Tyrion killing the Harpies - Stannis burning Shireen
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